Golovkin doesnt deserve the superfights

[ray corso]

I'm not going to try to explain why GGG is a real fighter because no one here knows anything about techniques or methods so its a waste of time!!!
Try to get a grip on the the "expression" he's a good boy!

A "good boy" is a fighter who comes to fight and gives a solid effort! Its an old "inside boxing " expression and GGG knows some history within the sport and uses boxing expressions!
Thats the real meaning its NOT lil boy or a dirogitary comment its a respectfull one!!!

GGG's management has sent out contracts to all the middleweight contenders, no one seems to be willing to negotiate. I wonder why? Ray.

[Fenster]

I'm not going to try to explain why GGG is a real fighter because no one here knows anything about techniques or methods so its a waste of time!!!
Try to get a grip on the the "expression" he's a good boy!

A "good boy" is a fighter who comes to fight and gives a solid effort! Its an old "inside boxing " expression and GGG knows some history within the sport and uses boxing expressions!
Thats the real meaning its NOT lil boy or a dirogitary comment its a respectfull one!!!

GGG's management has sent out contracts to all the middleweight contenders, no one seems to be willing to negotiate. I wonder why? Ray.

Jesus, we have the reincarnation of TrainerMonkey.

[Silkeyjoe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSPgaSKCr8U

this is the guy were asking to fight ward and mayweather? to be clear right? if he can get through chavez, or martinez then we can talk, until then......its a pointless debate

If he fights Martinez next year and KOs him in the 1st or second round what will u say. I know the majority, including me, will say Martinez was shot and could see that from his previous fight. Martinez is a lose lose fight for GGG for me.

[Onetime]

Thank you to me the GGG hype seems an awful lot like the beginning of the Pactard movement which was a despicable time for true fans. If someone is trying to convince you that Ishida would beat Quillin's resume and is a better win than N'Dam than boxing is in trouble.

What thread is that?

The is GGG the real deal thread the garbage he was spitting is why GGG will get the Manny style backlash but he doesn't even have the ATG career to back it up.

And we saw what happened after Broner's unsatisfactory performance against Paulie Malignaggi. Talk about overrated. I think he literally is the definition of it.

There was a very great article on Bad Left Hook looking at the hype comparison between Broner, Canelo and GGG, if you think about it though the Canelo, Broner, Wilder, Figueroa, Russell, Thurman hype is network and promoter the GGG hype is from fans who should know better than to crown someone so fast.

It doesn't matter where the hype comes from, my friend. Here's the thing thing. On his biggest stage, Broner looked mediocre against a guy, who in his prime was stopped by Amir Khan and Ricky Hatton. If Broner doesn't do his job when the guy is passed his prime, I'm not really sure how you don't define that as overrated. I don't really know what else there is to say.

At least, GGG has done what he is supposed to do. Take into account that Broner was a 15-1 favorite against Paulie Malignaggi, and the fight was more or less evenly matched, with Broner pulling it out in the second half of the fight. That's as ridiculous of a hype job as there has been in a while.

Canelo is different in my opinion. But, tell me why does Canelo deserve the Floyd fight? He has one really good win over Trout, if we're honest. Right?

Yeah Kellerman said Crawford is the best Lightweight in the world, the idea of that is laughable, Bob says Manny is the best he ever saw and he has Ali, promoters and networks hold no value in boxing talk, fans are suppose to know better.

Canelo hasn't done anything to deserve Floyd but he is a draw or so we assume, GGG got 350,000 vs Macklin and is not a draw.

Broner got paid 1.5MM to fight Paulie Malignaggi! His team was hailing him as the next Floyd Mayweather, which is completely laughable after he barely got by Paulie. I mean come on. When we're talk about overrated, there is only one picture in the dictionary, and that is Adrian Broner.

Promoter speak vs real fans, I don't see many educated fans hyping Broner

[Onetime]

I'm not going to try to explain why GGG is a real fighter because no one here knows anything about techniques or methods so its a waste of time!!!
Try to get a grip on the the "expression" he's a good boy!

A "good boy" is a fighter who comes to fight and gives a solid effort! Its an old "inside boxing " expression and GGG knows some history within the sport and uses boxing expressions!
Thats the real meaning its NOT lil boy or a dirogitary comment its a respectfull one!!!

GGG's management has sent out contracts to all the middleweight contenders, no one seems to be willing to negotiate. I wonder why? Ray.

God you are a Moron clearly GGG has talent, we are talking about him being handed things, Martinez was stripped of 3 legit world titles in 3 months, Martinez doesn't owe GGG anything if he can't bring money.

[Boxer4life]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSPgaSKCr8U

this is the guy were asking to fight ward and mayweather? to be clear right? if he can get through chavez, or martinez then we can talk, until then......its a pointless debate

If he fights Martinez next year and KOs him in the 1st or second round what will u say. I know the majority, including me, will say Martinez was shot and could see that from his previous fight. Martinez is a lose lose fight for GGG for me.

I would give him his just due, its hard to fight injured, i don't think martinez got old overnight, i think he was dealing with injuries and thats why it was a lot closer than it was. And honestly i favor golovkin over Martinez, but i don't think it will be what people think it will be. All im saying is lets see it before we jump to conclusions. And id like him to fight Chavez more so honestly, because Chavez is a real middleweight, with middleweight power and a good chin.

[Onetime]

You've only got to imagine what this board wouike if Golovkin was Mexican.

I think GGG would sale a lot more if he was Mexican more but than he would be with Top Rank or Golden Boy and he would not be as hyped because people never give mainstream fighters this credit, if Canelo's 3rd best win was Ishida it be a little embarrassing.

My god you are clueless about boxing nowadays. Apart from Trout Canelo has beaten noone and that fight was close. an old Baldomir and an average Cotto? there is noone. Apart from DPDL there are no big wins on Broners resume and alot of people have him losing that.

Give GGG some respect, at least he has never even looked like losing.

PS this thread started is a joke. Who wouldnt want to see GGG fight the best out there? And if you think Alvarez would get in a ring with GGG you are sadly mistaken.[/QUOTE]

Honestly if GGG was an American fighter you wouldn't like him your bias oozes through like a Pactard. I'd take a shot Mosley, Vazquez really is a p4p guy and Canelo beat him, Lopez was basically the same as the Rosado fight, if you are claiming that GGG's resume blows away Canelo's that's a lie, GGG claim Ishida and Proksa as great wins, you dont know shit about boxing other than GGG isn't American so you nuthugg him, your comments worshipping Ishida as a great win was some of the most despicable comment I have read, Quillin should face Ishida or will you cry GGG ruined him, admit it you are in love with GGG because of the hipster hype.

[p4pking]

You've only got to imagine what this board wouike if Golovkin was Mexican.

I think GGG would sale a lot more if he was Mexican more but than he would be with Top Rank or Golden Boy and he would not be as hyped because people never give mainstream fighters this credit, if Canelo's 3rd best win was Ishida it be a little embarrassing.

My god you are clueless about boxing nowadays. Apart from Trout Canelo has beaten noone and that fight was close. an old Baldomir and an average Cotto? there is noone. Apart from DPDL there are no big wins on Broners resume and alot of people have him losing that.

Give GGG some respect, at least he has never even looked like losing.

PS this thread started is a joke. Who wouldnt want to see GGG fight the best out there? And if you think Alvarez would get in a ring with GGG you are sadly mistaken.

Honestly if GGG was an American fighter you wouldn't like him your bias oozes through like a Pactard. I'd take a shot Mosley, Vazquez really is a p4p guy and Canelo beat him, Lopez was basically the same as the Rosado fight, if you are claiming that GGG's resume blows away Canelo's that's a lie, GGG claim Ishida and Proksa as great wins, you dont know shit about boxing other than GGG isn't American so you nuthugg him, your comments worshipping Ishida as a great win was some of the most despicable comment I have read, Quillin should face Ishida or will you cry GGG ruined him, admit it you are in love with GGG because of the hipster hype.[/QUOTE]

What on earth is your issue. Nobody cares that Golovkin isn't American, or that he IS from Kazakhstan of all places, and nobody is putting forth any kind of "hype" that is nearly as fucking emotional as your little campaign since the guy just won a fight. It's getting bizarre.

[Spicoli]

I must repeat myself for those who ARE THICK, 345-5 as a Amateur that is a hell of a record,
plenty of KO's in the Amateurs look on You-Tube.
He has little to prove as he is undefeated as a pro, give some credit outstanding Amateur and Pro
Champion, but for some its not enough like being in paradise just not perfect.!

Rigo didn't get any credit for his amateur career when he wanted Donaire the double standards get tiring.

But in fairness it was mostly all you ever heard about on his way up by all the commentators.

I no what you mean, but Golovkin can fight and so can Rigo both outstanding Amateur Champions,
I've never bother with what commentators have to say, having watched both fighters in the Amateur
and pro ranks. I come to my own conclusions, on the fighters I watch having watched so MUCH boxing
through the years, sometimes its hard to be impressed but Golovkin does.!

Yeh I was just pointing out above that Rigo was very much pushed on Ama. pedigree and style etc. It came up and said he was in a mold even when he was boxing the doors off Donaire. It's a huge contrast even though both had success... when Golovkin comes up you don't think amatuer record etc. Up until now they are two different worlds, though with the new rules and pro system next Olympics its going to be very very interesting!

[ray corso]

Mr. Fenster, I've been involved with the sport a very long time and when I here discussion discrediting an accomplished fighter who has lost 5 bouts out of close to 500 theres is NO reason to get into it with fans who have limitations evaluating talents!
As to your comments about me, my signature is my name if your one of those name calling little fellows I'll do my best to avoid you!! I like children but disrespectful ones need to be seen and not heard!
Boxing has always engaged fighters from all over the world and once the topic turns to cultures instead of skills its to late to discuss, it gets to personal then!!!
GG can fight and box and if he stays ast 160 as the Middleweight Champion and accepts all challengers at HIS weight he'll reign a long time!! Its very refreshing to see a young man with credentials and power. Next to the Heavyweight title the Middleweight title was always the most prestigious but today the fans want fighters to jump in and out of weight classes like their playing checkers! GGG is the best 160 pounder today and if Sergio can get healthy enough I'm sure GGG will stop him and if Junior can get to 160 he'll be KO'd. Eventually he'll move to 168 because no one at 160 will fight him.
To bad he won't stay at Middle and venture up to 164 to fight Froch and those guys in 10 round main events! He stays Middleweight Champ and fights out of his weight class. All champs used to do that and it was successfull for all! Once a year you defend against the number one then you fight within your own promotions!! (what Mayweather does hahahaha)
So thats that, good luck and have a nice nite!!! Ray Corso

[Onetime]

You've only got to imagine what this board wouike if Golovkin was Mexican.

I think GGG would sale a lot more if he was Mexican more but than he would be with Top Rank or Golden Boy and he would not be as hyped because people never give mainstream fighters this credit, if Canelo's 3rd best win was Ishida it be a little embarrassing.

My god you are clueless about boxing nowadays. Apart from Trout Canelo has beaten noone and that fight was close. an old Baldomir and an average Cotto? there is noone. Apart from DPDL there are no big wins on Broners resume and alot of people have him losing that.

Give GGG some respect, at least he has never even looked like losing.

PS this thread started is a joke. Who wouldnt want to see GGG fight the best out there? And if you think Alvarez would get in a ring with GGG you are sadly mistaken.

Honestly if GGG was an American fighter you wouldn't like him your bias oozes through like a Pactard. I'd take a shot Mosley, Vazquez really is a p4p guy and Canelo beat him, Lopez was basically the same as the Rosado fight, if you are claiming that GGG's resume blows away Canelo's that's a lie, GGG claim Ishida and Proksa as great wins, you dont know shit about boxing other than GGG isn't American so you nuthugg him, your comments worshipping Ishida as a great win was some of the most despicable comment I have read, Quillin should face Ishida or will you cry GGG ruined him, admit it you are in love with GGG because of the hipster hype.

What on earth is your issue. Nobody cares that Golovkin isn't American, or that he IS from Kazakhstan of all places, and nobody is putting forth any kind of "hype" that is nearly as fucking emotional as your little campaign since the guy just won a fight. It's getting bizarre.[/QUOTE]

Claiming GGG has an ATG career is bizarre

[Onetime]

Mr. Fenster, I've been involved with the sport a very long time and when I here discussion discrediting an accomplished fighter who has lost 5 bouts out of close to 500 theres is NO reason to get into it with fans who have limitations evaluating talents!
As to your comments about me, my signature is my name if your one of those name calling little fellows I'll do my best to avoid you!! I like children but disrespectful ones need to be seen and not heard!
Boxing has always engaged fighters from all over the world and once the topic turns to cultures instead of skills its to late to discuss, it gets to personal then!!!
GG can fight and box and if he stays ast 160 as the Middleweight Champion and accepts all challengers at HIS weight he'll reign a long time!! Its very refreshing to see a young man with credentials and power. Next to the Heavyweight title the Middleweight title was always the most prestigious but today the fans want fighters to jump in and out of weight classes like their playing checkers! GGG is the best 160 pounder today and if Sergio can get healthy enough I'm sure GGG will stop him and if Junior can get to 160 he'll be KO'd. Eventually he'll move to 168 because no one at 160 will fight him.
To bad he won't stay at Middle and venture up to 164 to fight Froch and those guys in 10 round main events! He stays Middleweight Champ and fights out of his weight class. All champs used to do that and it was successfull for all! Once a year you defend against the number one then you fight within your own promotions!! (what Mayweather does hahahaha)
So thats that, good luck and have a nice nite!!! Ray Corso

God you are a scum bag, GGG fans the new Pactards, I love how now the amateurs count somewhere Dirrell is celebrating his amateur wins counting towards the pro game. The bottom line is if he was from Atlanta or Mexico you wouldn't hype him.

[IamInuit]

I see alot of you guys saying he should fight ward, or mayweather or martinez, but truth be told, i dont think he paid his dues. he has zero tests in his career. I would like to see him fight Chavez, froch, or canelo before he steps up to fight the best. Im not disagreeing that he is a great fighter, but i think the hype is a bit to large.

What does that even mean? Now all the fights that should happen are called super fights? Triple G deserves a shot at Martinez because he is arguably the best middleweight in the division. He just destroyed a guy that went the distance with 2 world class trinket holders. Martinez himself recognizes that. He's not going to get Ward or Floyd and I cant believe that anybody actually thinks there is a chance in hell for either. He's got a legit claim to a fight with Martinez and a better claim then most that came before him. "Golovkin who" just doesn't cut it anymore. Martinez needs to shit or get off the pot after a warm up.

I predict Martinez will not fight him and will instead go for the winner of Alvarez/Floyd or even the loser because risk/reward dictates it in this market with his remaining shelf life.

[Onetime]

I see alot of you guys saying he should fight ward, or mayweather or martinez, but truth be told, i dont think he paid his dues. he has zero tests in his career. I would like to see him fight Chavez, froch, or canelo before he steps up to fight the best. Im not disagreeing that he is a great fighter, but i think the hype is a bit to large.

What does that even mean? Now all the fights that should happen are called super fights? Triple G deserves a shot at Martinez because he is arguably the best middleweight in the division. He just destroyed a guy that went the distance with 2 world class trinket holders. Martinez himself recognizes that. He's not going to get Ward or Floyd and I cant believe that anybody actually thinks there is a chance in hell for either. He's got a legit claim to a fight with Martinez and a better claim then most that came before him. "Golovkin who" just doesn't cut it anymore. Martinez needs to shit or get off the pot after a warm up.

I predict Martinez will not fight him and will instead go for the winner of Alvarez/Floyd or even the loser because risk/reward dictates it in this market with his remaining shelf life.

GGG fans have no respect, Martinez should laugh in his face and not give him what he wants.

[IamInuit]

I see alot of you guys saying he should fight ward, or mayweather or martinez, but truth be told, i dont think he paid his dues. he has zero tests in his career. I would like to see him fight Chavez, froch, or canelo before he steps up to fight the best. Im not disagreeing that he is a great fighter, but i think the hype is a bit to large.

What does that even mean? Now all the fights that should happen are called super fights? Triple G deserves a shot at Martinez because he is arguably the best middleweight in the division. He just destroyed a guy that went the distance with 2 world class trinket holders. Martinez himself recognizes that. He's not going to get Ward or Floyd and I cant believe that anybody actually thinks there is a chance in hell for either. He's got a legit claim to a fight with Martinez and a better claim then most that came before him. "Golovkin who" just doesn't cut it anymore. Martinez needs to shit or get off the pot after a warm up.

I predict Martinez will not fight him and will instead go for the winner of Alvarez/Floyd or even the loser because risk/reward dictates it in this market with his remaining shelf life.

GGG fans have no respect, Martinez should laugh in his face and not give him what he wants.

Most of his fans here seem reasonable. Dick wad fans wherever they are have nothing to do with him deserving his due. I'm not a fan of his but he's made his case. Shame English is not his first language but that's not relevant either.