Canelo impressed me

[cambay411]

to be fair , any fighter who outpoints Matthew Hatton and loses a few rounds doing so , doesnt then step up and beat a master boxer like Floyd , Canelo's lack of power gave him no chance.
He was never going to outbox Floyd.

I don't like Mayweather as a person , but we should enjoy him while he is here , because he is one of the very best of all time.

I think it was more Canelos lack of speed and stamina.

[cambay411]

Shit fight. Left the club at round 8. Perfect example of how ineffective trying to punch from earmuffs is against a guy who throws from beneath the chin and doesn't just stand there waiting for his turn to be hit. Add more skill and speed to the mix but an unwillingless to sit down on any punches and you have an absolute fucking snoozefest.

I wouldnt go that far. De La Hoya had an earmuff style and he had success against Floyd.

To me it shows that pressure with fantastic speed and footwork is what can beat Floyd. Like a prime ODLH.

[ross]

To be fair he is over rated. How can you look at how Cotto pushed Mayweather and then look at the younger, bigger, undefeated Canelo and think he's not over rated?

Alot of people thought Floyd had had it tonight. They massively over rated Alvarez.

Because being young, big and undefeated were all perfectly valid reasons to think Alvarez had a shot tonight. He's never displayed the boxing skills or quickness Cotto had imo, and is not nearly as seasoned as Miguel was fighting Floyd. What was Cotto doing at 23, do you think he would have given Floyd a tough fight based on his form in the Ricardo Torres affair? I still don't think Mayweather was great against Cotto, and Cotto clearly slipped badly in losing to Trout, maybe that skewed further whatever there was to take from those matchups.

Bottom line is Alvarez did hang tough, was never really hurt and kept trying, showed some different looks etc. There is nobody else who will make it so difficult for him to land clean in the future, nobody even close to presenting the same challenges around the weight. He would beat the crap out of Cotto, just for instance. It's all styyyyyyyyyyles ya know.

Yes, he was over rated based on beating who? From what weight? From what era?

Dont know what Cotto was doing at that age but fact remains that Canelos abilities were overrated based on his opponents but his opponents and his performances against them (for me Hatton and Mosley proved he didn't have enough to deal with Mayweather) were the reason that everyone else including the book makers had Mayweather the favourite.

[jahmez]

Got that fight on DVD. Oscar had his hands up yes but he was trying to parry and counter not ear muffing. Never bought the hype that he did well either. Grabbing and throwing love taps to the body meh. His jab only pushed Floyd to the ropes when Floyd was clowning and when Floyd opened up his straight right was like a homing missile.

[cambay411]

Got that fight on DVD. Oscar had his hands up yes but he was trying to parry and counter not ear muffing. Never bought the hype that he did well either. Grabbing and throwing love taps to the body meh. His jab only pushed Floyd to the ropes when Floyd was clowning and when Floyd opened up his straight right was like a homing missile.

I will have to go back and watch again. Your description doesnt sound too far off tho because every time ive watched that fight Ive thought "man if ODLH only had that umph he had a few years ago".

ODLH had a similar style to Alvarez but ODLH did it right and was just more gifted imo.

[jahmez]

Canelo's good against meatheads who earmuff and play let's be heavy bags but it was never gonna work on Floyd. Canelo's punches were all coming from the same place and angle while Floyd's were coming from underneath, around the sides and over the top. It's not just genetics that's made him quick but his whole stance and style.

[GAME]

I wasnt impressed by canelo at all

His tactics were awful. Trying to outbox floyd at a distance? He saw what a washed up Oscar and washed up Cotto had success with against a prime floyd. He had to put combos together. Even guerro who was out of his league put pressure on.

I was especially disappointed in that last round when floyd was using lateral movement and canelo just suddenly stopped chasing him and walked back. That was a sign of mentally giving up bordering on Durans no mas, he just didnt turn his back

Canelo wasnt prepared to take the risks required and will continue to milk the Mexican fans for afew years. Floyd looked sharp but is running out of challengers

[cambay411]

Canelo's good against meatheads who earmuff and play let's be heavy bags but it was never gonna work on Floyd. Canelo's punches were all coming from the same place and angle while Floyd's were coming from underneath, around the sides and over the top. It's not just genetics that's made him quick but his whole stance and style.

I hate to sit here and say this now but the first thing I thought about Alvarez was that he is just to slow. Im not gonna sit here and say I called the Floyd win because I didnt at all.

But I did think Alvarez was slow without good footwork. At the same time I thought he would be able to hit Floyd hard and have enough strength and power to overcome any shortcomings he might have which obviously wasnt the case. You obviously have to get and stay close to Floyd and have tons of technique and power to have a chance (I could be wrong here lol).

But yeah what you said sounds about right. The reason I wouldnt say your 100% right is becasue Floyd outclassed him so bad on the inside and outside. If Floyd would have at least made a mistake somewhere we could make an easier judgment on Alvarez. But what Floyd did was beautiful so its just hard to come to any conclusion on Alvarez.

[ono]

To be fair he is over rated. How can you look at how Cotto pushed Mayweather and then look at the younger, bigger, undefeated Canelo and think he's not over rated?

Alot of people thought Floyd had had it tonight. They massively over rated Alvarez.

To be honest, i think Floyd could have schooled Cotto in much the same way as he schooled Canelo. He just fought the fight differently. He opened up more. He was more cautious against Canelo because of his size, and as a result, got hit much less and won widely. I think he has the capabilities to basically do that to anyone in the sport.

[Beanflicker]

I don't think this "well fighter A did better against fight B than fighter C, so A > C" logic works, because if you want to do that then Emmanuel Augustus is a much better fighter than a ton of world champs because he gave Floyd a tougher fight than most.

Floyd was much sharper and more focused than he was in the Cotto and Guerrero fights, I saw this fight as a return to form for him.

And I have to laugh once again at people saying Canelo had no game plan, or wondering why he didn't just rush in. It shows you have a layman's knowledge of boxing or you just plain don't understand how crafty Floyd actually is.

[Beanflicker]

To be honest, i think Floyd could have schooled Cotto in much the same way as he schooled Canelo. He just fought the fight differently. He opened up more. He was more cautious against Canelo because of his size, and as a result, got hit much less and won widely. I think he has the capabilities to basically do that to anyone in the sport.

Right on the money.

[SugarBoxing]

I think somebody explained Oscar that Canelo was a hype job just before the fight and Oscar' eyes got open all of a sudden. Then Oscar made up this rehab story to avoid being mocked by Mayweather

[TitoFan]

to be fair , any fighter who outpoints Matthew Hatton and loses a few rounds doing so , doesnt then step up and beat a master boxer like Floyd , Canelo's lack of power gave him no chance.
He was never going to outbox Floyd.

To be fair....... if we all knew this coming in.......
Then what on Earth was he doing there in the first place?

[TitoFan]

To be fair he is over rated. How can you look at how Cotto pushed Mayweather and then look at the younger, bigger, undefeated Canelo and think he's not over rated?

Alot of people thought Floyd had had it tonight. They massively over rated Alvarez.

To be honest, i think Floyd could have schooled Cotto in much the same way as he schooled Canelo. He just fought the fight differently. He opened up more. He was more cautious against Canelo because of his size, and as a result, got hit much less and won widely. I think he has the capabilities to basically do that to anyone in the sport.

Cotto pressed more, jabbed more, and showed more movement. It was obvious that his corner (Pedro Diaz) had prepared the right gameplan.... and Cotto followed it to the best of his ability. But Floyd is Floyd.... nothing more need be said. Having said that, Cotto bloodied his nose, and Floyd knew he'd been in a fight. Last night there was nothing of the sort. Floyd schooled Canelo to such an extent, it was comical to hear him after the fight giving his "public relations speech" about Canelo being a great champion, while very likely laughing inside at the great con job they had all just pulled off.

Even Guerrero, who was totally outclassed, turned in a more respectable showing against Floyd than Canelo did. That's where the bloated 40+ some undefeated record gets exposed for all to see.

All in all it was a boring, predictable fight. Well.... that's being too harsh on Floyd.
He did turn in his usual masterpiece of boxing.

[walrus]

I was almost surprised about Canelos lack of stamina. I thought he would be better prepared for this fight. Towards the last rounds it seemed every movement was an effort to him. I did think Canello was a bit overrated and I didn't think he would win but I did think he would do more damage to Floyd than we have seen in a while. I didn't think this one would be a blow out for Floyd. Still glad I got the fight but only for Garcia v Lucas.