Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time great heavyweights?

[El Kabong]

Ill give him far more respect than he gets now

I used to hate Carl Froch but I respect him now. He earned it.

So you are a CONFIRMED, hater then. I don't hate anyone...maybe Haye, but I always respect the fighters. You can't argue the dominance of Wladimir.

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Ill give him far more respect than he gets now

I used to hate Carl Froch but I respect him now. He earned it.

So you are a CONFIRMED, hater then. I don't hate anyone...maybe Haye, but I always respect the fighters. You can't argue the dominance of Wladimir.

For fucks sakes, yes you can!

He has been dominant over his opponents but not the division. Its 2 different things and like you've said as long as Vitali is around Wlad will only ever be a partnership in the heavyweight championship, not the sole owner.

[El Kabong]

For fucks sakes, yes you can!

Again tell me: Adamek, Arreola, Chisora, Charr, Johnson, Solis, Sosnowski, Briggs

That's who Vitali has fought in his comeback, so riddle me this ross, of that group Who beats Wlad? Who tests Wlad?

You and anyone suggesting Vitali has made it "easier for Wladimir" have yet to answer that question. Also during Vitali's 4 year absence from boxing, Wlad had how much trouble again? Oh that's right NONE! The only issues he had were trying to force Valuev to fight him and let's not act like Wlad didn't try everything to make that fight happen.

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For fucks sakes, yes you can!

Again tell me: Adamek, Arreola, Chisora, Charr, Johnson, Solis, Sosnowski, Briggs

That's who Vitali has fought in his comeback, so riddle me this ross, of that group Who beats Wlad? Who tests Wlad?

You and anyone suggesting Vitali has made it "easier for Wladimir" have yet to answer that question. Also during Vitali's 4 year absence from boxing, Wlad had how much trouble again? Oh that's right NONE! The only issues he had were trying to force Valuev to fight him and let's not act like Wlad didn't try everything to make that fight happen.

Well for a start he would have had 8 more challengers from that list.

Dont presume that Wlad would have an easy time with them just because his tougher big brother beat them

You can argue all you want but unless Vitali goes away, Wlad will never have been THE undisputed champ and after such a long career that would be sad for him.

He will be rich, he wont care and he wont be seriously regarded in all time lists either.

[El Kabong]

Well for a start he would have had 8 more challengers from that list.

Uh, no he wouldn't have, not unless he fought like 4 times a year. He may have swapped out a few optional defenses for mandatory ones, but don't be silly.

Briggs was an optional, Chisora was an optional, Charr I don't recall, but none of those guys would bother Wlad, they simply don't have the styles to.

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Well for a start he would have had 8 more challengers from that list.

Uh, no he wouldn't have, not unless he fought like 4 times a year. He may have swapped out a few optional defenses for mandatory ones, but don't be silly.

Briggs was an optional, Chisora was an optional, Charr I don't recall, but none of those guys would bother Wlad, they simply don't have the styles to.

What about Rossy, Sanders and Brewster? You know, those fantastic world class legends

[El Kabong]

What about Rossy, Sanders and Brewster? You know, those fantastic world class legends

You mean Purrity, the guy who beat Wlad when Wlad was 21 years old and just starting out as a professional? I guess Wlad could rematch him now...it's not like it would be a difficult fight, Wlad was young and went for the KO and gassed out.

Sanders was a better fighter than people give him credit for. Had he trained and enjoyed boxing like the Klitschko's MAYBE you'd have a point with your hating, but #1 The rematch never materialized and #2 He's dead now.

Brewster WAS rematched and Wladimir handed him a vicious beating. And don't act like Lamon Brewster was some bum, he was a solid heavyweight. If he was in his prime right now he'd be next in line for a title shot.

Whatever happened to the Great Kevin McBride or Danny Williams? Face it pal once Tyson got out of prison he never beat Grade A talent again

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What about Rossy, Sanders and Brewster? You know, those fantastic world class legends

You mean Purrity, the guy who beat Wlad when Wlad was 21 years old and just starting out as a professional? I guess Wlad could rematch him now...it's not like it would be a difficult fight, Wlad was young and went for the KO and gassed out.

Sanders was a better fighter than people give him credit for. Had he trained and enjoyed boxing like the Klitschko's MAYBE you'd have a point with your hating, but #1 The rematch never materialized and #2 He's dead now.

Brewster WAS rematched and Wladimir handed him a vicious beating. And don't act like Lamon Brewster was some bum, he was a solid heavyweight. If he was in his prime right now he'd be next in line for a title shot.

Whatever happened to the Great Kevin McBride or Danny Williams? Face it pal once Tyson got out of prison he never beat Grade A talent again

Maybe not but he still has more undisputed title defences than Wlad will ever have

[El Kabong]

Maybe not but he still has more undisputed title defences than Wlad will ever have

You HOPE

[nuggetdotcom]

Not very high, Corrie Sanders springs to mind.

[Freedom]

Wladimir Klitschko stopped at least 17 fighters who had never been stopped before.

Calvin Brock (never down or stopped before)
Francesco Pianeta (never down or stopped before)
Eddie Chambers (never down or stopped before)
Tony Thompson (never down or stopped before)
Ruslan Chagaev (never down or stopped before)
Monte Barrett (never down before, down 6 times in 2000 against Wladimir)
Lamon Brewster (never down before his first fight with Wlad)
David Bostice (never stopped, Wlad dropped him 4 times for a round 2 TKO)
Axel Schulz (never down or stopped before)
Paea Wolfgramm (never down or stopped before)
Eliseo Castillo
Fabian Meza
Najee Shaheed
Zoran Vujecic
Fabio Eduardo Moli
Charles Shufford



Wlad beat 10 previously undefeated fighters:

Ruslan Chagaev (former amateur world champion)
Sultan Ibragimov
Alexander Povetkin
Francesco Pianeta
Mariusz Wach
Calvin Brock
Samuel Peter
Eliseo Castillo
Najee Shaheed
Zoran Vujecic

As well as 12 people who had only one previous loss (Haye, Byrd, Chambers, etc)


He has 11 wins over world champions:

Byrd x 2, Peter X 2, Rahman, Chagaev, Haye, Ibragimov, Povetkin, Mormeck, Mercer


He is the 2nd longest reigning Heavyweight Champion of all time with the 3rd most consecutive title defenses at 15. He holds the IBF, WBO and IBO records for the most heavyweight title defenses.

And Wladimir won Olympic Gold in Atlanta in 1996.

[El Kabong]

Not very high, Corrie Sanders springs to mind.

So does McCall or Rahman come to mind when thinking of Lewis? Or Frazier and Norton when you think of Ali?

[powerpuncher]

What about Rossy, Sanders and Brewster? You know, those fantastic world class legends

You mean Purrity, the guy who beat Wlad when Wlad was 21 years old and just starting out as a professional? I guess Wlad could rematch him now...it's not like it would be a difficult fight, Wlad was young and went for the KO and gassed out.

Sanders was a better fighter than people give him credit for. Had he trained and enjoyed boxing like the Klitschko's MAYBE you'd have a point with your hating, but #1 The rematch never materialized and #2 He's dead now.

Brewster WAS rematched and Wladimir handed him a vicious beating. And don't act like Lamon Brewster was some bum, he was a solid heavyweight. If he was in his prime right now he'd be next in line for a title shot.

Whatever happened to the Great Kevin McBride or Danny Williams? Face it pal once Tyson got out of prison he never beat Grade A talent again

sanders was a part time fighter. he may have had the talent but not the skills. brewster was terrible. he was a bum and there is no denying that.

thats why i say that i voted for 16-25 because of his accomplishments. if it were based solely on a who beats who, then he would be ranked lower. there is no denying what he has done, and he has no control over his era, but he has looked great fighting bums and has looked sloppy against people who werent total bums.

[powerpuncher]

I actually think we'll get to see Wladimir face Arreola and Chisora at some point. The rest of the guys don't pose any threat, at least subjectively.

For the people who rank Wladimir and Vitali outside the top 25 heavyweights, can you put up a list of 25 heavyweights that you would rank higher?

i could easily make a list of 15 HWs that i would for sure rank higher then 10 more who definitely has good potential to be ranked higher. i will list them for you if you want but i dont want to list them if you dont read this thread again. mainly because i dont want to waste my time.

[erics44]

you cant really call it boxing with wlad so, I would say he is unranked in the history of boxing greats