Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time great heavyweights?

[El Kabong]

Ill give him far more respect than he gets now

I used to hate Carl Froch but I respect him now. He earned it.

So you are a CONFIRMED, hater then. I don't hate anyone...maybe Haye, but I always respect the fighters. You can't argue the dominance of Wladimir.

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Ill give him far more respect than he gets now

I used to hate Carl Froch but I respect him now. He earned it.

So you are a CONFIRMED, hater then. I don't hate anyone...maybe Haye, but I always respect the fighters. You can't argue the dominance of Wladimir.

For fucks sakes, yes you can!

He has been dominant over his opponents but not the division. Its 2 different things and like you've said as long as Vitali is around Wlad will only ever be a partnership in the heavyweight championship, not the sole owner.

[El Kabong]

For fucks sakes, yes you can!

Again tell me: Adamek, Arreola, Chisora, Charr, Johnson, Solis, Sosnowski, Briggs

That's who Vitali has fought in his comeback, so riddle me this ross, of that group Who beats Wlad? Who tests Wlad?

You and anyone suggesting Vitali has made it "easier for Wladimir" have yet to answer that question. Also during Vitali's 4 year absence from boxing, Wlad had how much trouble again? Oh that's right NONE! The only issues he had were trying to force Valuev to fight him and let's not act like Wlad didn't try everything to make that fight happen.

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For fucks sakes, yes you can!

Again tell me: Adamek, Arreola, Chisora, Charr, Johnson, Solis, Sosnowski, Briggs

That's who Vitali has fought in his comeback, so riddle me this ross, of that group Who beats Wlad? Who tests Wlad?

You and anyone suggesting Vitali has made it "easier for Wladimir" have yet to answer that question. Also during Vitali's 4 year absence from boxing, Wlad had how much trouble again? Oh that's right NONE! The only issues he had were trying to force Valuev to fight him and let's not act like Wlad didn't try everything to make that fight happen.

Well for a start he would have had 8 more challengers from that list.

Dont presume that Wlad would have an easy time with them just because his tougher big brother beat them

You can argue all you want but unless Vitali goes away, Wlad will never have been THE undisputed champ and after such a long career that would be sad for him.

He will be rich, he wont care and he wont be seriously regarded in all time lists either.

[El Kabong]

Well for a start he would have had 8 more challengers from that list.

Uh, no he wouldn't have, not unless he fought like 4 times a year. He may have swapped out a few optional defenses for mandatory ones, but don't be silly.

Briggs was an optional, Chisora was an optional, Charr I don't recall, but none of those guys would bother Wlad, they simply don't have the styles to.

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Well for a start he would have had 8 more challengers from that list.

Uh, no he wouldn't have, not unless he fought like 4 times a year. He may have swapped out a few optional defenses for mandatory ones, but don't be silly.

Briggs was an optional, Chisora was an optional, Charr I don't recall, but none of those guys would bother Wlad, they simply don't have the styles to.

What about Rossy, Sanders and Brewster? You know, those fantastic world class legends

[El Kabong]

What about Rossy, Sanders and Brewster? You know, those fantastic world class legends

You mean Purrity, the guy who beat Wlad when Wlad was 21 years old and just starting out as a professional? I guess Wlad could rematch him now...it's not like it would be a difficult fight, Wlad was young and went for the KO and gassed out.

Sanders was a better fighter than people give him credit for. Had he trained and enjoyed boxing like the Klitschko's MAYBE you'd have a point with your hating, but #1 The rematch never materialized and #2 He's dead now.

Brewster WAS rematched and Wladimir handed him a vicious beating. And don't act like Lamon Brewster was some bum, he was a solid heavyweight. If he was in his prime right now he'd be next in line for a title shot.

Whatever happened to the Great Kevin McBride or Danny Williams? Face it pal once Tyson got out of prison he never beat Grade A talent again