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[erics44]

Wlad excessively held against Povetkin, which was very strange as he was clearly in complete control at all times. In his previous fights he did not. There are very few boxers who do not hold when on the inside when they are the bigger man and to suggest Wlad would be DQd by other refs is bullshit.

really depends how much the refs were being paid

in a normal boxing fight under normal boxing rules he would be dq'd without a doubt

in eastern europe where theres millions of pounds flying around he would have a long hugging reign as HW champ

and if you think he hasnt excessively held before you cant have watched any of his other fights

[Max Power]

I dunno man I don't think he would be DQ'd. Some refs dislike holding more than others, obviously not Wlad's fights refs lol but I think all that would happen is they'd be split up faster and Wlad would land even more shots in between clinches, wearing his opponent down more with punches and less with weight.

His clinching is merely a way when he is out of his comfort zone to reset back to his normal distance where he likes to be. He either hops out of range, or steps in for the clinch. Wlad's "natural habitat", where he wants to be and will do either thing to remain there, is with his opponent at the end of his long jab.

[erics44]

I dunno man I don't think he would be DQ'd. Some refs dislike holding more than others, obviously not Wlad's fights refs lol but I think all that would happen is they'd be split up faster and Wlad would land even more shots in between clinches, wearing his opponent down more with punches and less with weight.

His clinching is merely a way when he is out of his comfort zone to reset back to his normal distance where he likes to be. He either hops out of range, or steps in for the clinch. Wlad's "natural habitat", where he wants to be and will do either thing to remain there, is with his opponent at the end of his long jab.

how ever his clinching works for him, it isnt in the rules and thats the only fact in all of this, the rest is all opinion

my opinion that he is only still champ because he is allowed to bend the rules so excessively is just an opinion

your opinion that he would land more punches if he was stopped from clinching so much is just an opinion

even the opinion that he clinches excessively is only an opinion

the only fact is that clinching is against the rules

the big question is - why is wlad, the HW champion of the world, allowed to break the rules to such extreme levels?

it is my opinion that it is down to the money he generates in every fight, and how much less rich a lot of people would be if he was no longer champ, but again that is just an opinion

[Max Power]

Fair enough Eric. The thing that gets to me then is why hasn't there been a formal inquiry into this and why has all relevant authorities been silent on it? I mean it's all over all the forums regarding Wlad so unless it's pure corruption or conspiracy theory stuff, either it IS within the rules or perhaps your explaination is correct. There's no inquiry because of the money involved.

However there's a bit of controversy here, surely they would want the title back home in the US if that could come about and surely there would be immense support to have the titles in the hands of more exciting boxers. That would have to weigh heavily against any corruption.

[erics44]

Fair enough Eric. The thing that gets to me then is why hasn't there been a formal inquiry into this and why has all relevant authorities been silent on it? I mean it's all over all the forums regarding Wlad so unless it's pure corruption or conspiracy theory stuff, either it IS within the rules or perhaps your explaination is correct. There's no inquiry because of the money involved.

However there's a bit of controversy here, surely they would want the title back home in the US if that could come about and surely there would be immense support to have the titles in the hands of more exciting boxers. That would have to weigh heavily against any corruption.

I hear what you are saying, why isnt something done about it, why arent more people shouting about it on a bigger scale than just the forums? i am mythed about that myself

holding is definately not in the rules tho, just to confirm

i agree on another point too, that the US almost should be home of HW champion, but is there an american out there who would generate the money that wlad would? are the governing bodies bothered where the champ is from as long as they are making a mint?

another thing that staggers me tho is why so many people pay to watch him fight, his fights are so shit, i am a big boxing fan and i watch any fighting thats on at any level, its virtually all i watch on the TV, that and football

and there arent too many fighters who make me turn over but wlad is one of them, theres nothing to enjoy about his fights apart from perhaps a few seconds right at the end

[erics44]

and i agree on the reasoning behind this thread

the only way to beat wlad under his rules would be to avoid the clinches on the outside (run basically) and land potshots, and you would probably need to catch him quite early

its no suprise that probably the 2 best fighters that wlad has faced have fought that way

provetkin looked valient but the fight was over after a couple of rounds in terms of him having any chance of winning

[Max Power]

I can only agree with you from here. I watch loads of boxing, particularly HW and I have to say of all the great champs I watch, Wlad is among the most boring and shameful I've seen! His brother, Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, these guys had some violent shootouts. Can't say I'd be satisfied the same way had I paid for a Wlad fight PPV or ringside.

Your analysis of boxing seems pretty sharp! (y)

[Silkeyjoe]

Wlad excessively held against Povetkin, which was very strange as he was clearly in complete control at all times. In his previous fights he did not. There are very few boxers who do not hold when on the inside when they are the bigger man and to suggest Wlad would be DQd by other refs is bullshit.

really depends how much the refs were being paid

in a normal boxing fight under normal boxing rules he would be dq'd without a doubt

in eastern europe where theres millions of pounds flying around he would have a long hugging reign as HW champ

and if you think he hasnt excessively held before you cant have watched any of his other fights

ive seen a lot of his fights and not much more clicnhing then other heavyweight fights. Lewis v Vitali was one of the best heavyweight fights of the last 20 years. Both fighters clinched and held a lot in that fight, virtually everytime it got to the inside. Any fight Mike Tyson was in his opponents would try clinch on the inside, he was just good enough to deal with it, fighters now are not.

[Spicoli]

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