Jesus was a Jewish rabbi......PERIOD

[brocktonblockbust]

this thread is a bunch of pegan bullshit

he meant PECAN bullshit......... as he is a nut.

[Gandalf]

Jesus was likely a normal bloke who stood up for what he believed in and that is all any man can do. To build it into lies such as returning from the dead, performing magic, immaculate conception, that is just practicing on the gullible. Just a bloke, nothing more, nothing less. Definitely Arab in appearance, and date of birth unknown. In truth nothing is known really, we can only assume that he existed, and that is why it was so easy to make stuff up.

[Andre]

Jesus was likely a normal bloke who stood up for what he believed in and that is all any man can do. To build it into lies such as returning from the dead, performing magic, immaculate conception, that is just practicing on the gullible. Just a bloke, nothing more, nothing less. Definitely Arab in appearance, and date of birth unknown. In truth nothing is known really, we can only assume that he existed, and that is why it was so easy to make stuff up.

Mate a man with advanced knowledge back in those times where people still thought only in black and white an advanced practice would be seen as miraculous.

In the Essene gospel of peace they write about him treating a man in agony whos writhing around onthe ground in pain. He gets a gourd of warm liquid and inserts it into the man who expels a giant tape worm from his regions. This would be seen as de possession by most back then. Could be too looking at it from a different persective than just the material one.

It rains fish, It still happens to this day. Its even rained apples a few times special delivery from Spain all the way over to Cornwall or Devon I think it was, it filled a guys backyard up.

People come back from the dead,the comatose state is like death, besides that very knowledgeable people put a sponge of water and herbs up to his lips ;-).

The miraculous events still occur to this day and to those in tune with their surrounds,when events occur when someone is in need of the event occurring its divine timing to them. Some people can know in advance of events and so its even more a gift of spirit and knowing beyond doubt the event will occur.


Ive seen it first hand,been a part of it.I watched a seven year drought get broken and stayed in a shit hole town just to watch it occur against what locals thought, laughing at my suggestion that this time around things are going to be very different. That night on dusk their town was a raging torrential river and they were the top town on the highest mountain in Queensland you could feel the energy building in the earth on their mountain hours before it hit.
Ive seen it before when people on a beach all their hair stood up straight and pointed to the sky prior to an electrical storm ,I got off the beach quick but you could feel like a calmness of energy collecting but sort of an excitment at the same time. Up the mountain was more intense than that for hours before hand.

Inside of me though I was thanking God for it occurring before it happened,like thank you the drought is broken. But there is always some material explanation these days to how people can know somethings about to happen.

Apparently lighting sends a charge through the ground before it strikes,maybe that was it it that I could feel . So theres the modern day answer so you can dismiss the timing.

But then again Ive had patterns in the sky form right on que too, I cant prove it from what i was thinking and asking within at the time though.Im certain the events would of occurred whether I was there or not . The miracles are in the timing and the requirement being met and hearing that feeling to look in a certain direction at a certain time.

Whats happening on Earth even by our own doing in the material and mental realm are giant miracles of events. Its a shame people can get so caught up in those material ones that they can no longer feel the natural ones for what they are.

This is an amazing trip down here,its all up to you in your own perspective what you get out of stuff, even the worse stuff has its other side of the coin experience if you seek it.

Like they say you can wallow in the shit you just got dealt or you can grow roses in it. Ive really had to live that one out this year.

[brocktonblockbust]

Jesus existed I am sure of it, but which Jesus or the combination of how many Jesuses, it's all a mystery that will probably never be solved. In any case we have the message of love that he preached and I am confident he preached this to the general pop. I am also confident he taught some pretty bizarre spiritual shit to some very exclusive and mystical sects. I believe he may have traveled to Persia and India and learned some of the Vedism that is so apparent in alot of his teachings. A real amazing and fascinating personality that made a tremendous impact on mankind.

Do I think his story may have been merged with Mithra? Yes.

Mithra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[brocktonblockbust]

Frashokereti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[walrus]

There is more historical documentation of Christ than there is of Alexander the great. Many of these reports come from non followers of the time. Josephus the first century historian being one of them. That Christ existed is not in doubt. Billions of people believe him to be the messiah. This one man changed the world like no other. You may not accept him as God, but his existence on the planet is not a maybe. Almost all of his early followers went on and spread his word knowing that they would be mocked, tortured and killed. Why would they do this.

[SugarBoxing]

There is more historical documentation of Christ

You can believe in miracles or do not believe in them. And your life will be according to your belief.
It has nothing to do with the "historical documentation".

[Andre]

Frashokereti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All sounds familiar.

[Xwetie]

Hmm, who's the boggie man? a jew?

http://existenz.se/out.php?id=94861

[brocktonblockbust]

Hmm, who's the boggie man? a jew?

http://existenz.se/out.php?id=94861

who the hell was that crazy Greek?

[Gandalf]

Jesus was likely a normal bloke who stood up for what he believed in and that is all any man can do. To build it into lies such as returning from the dead, performing magic, immaculate conception, that is just practicing on the gullible. Just a bloke, nothing more, nothing less. Definitely Arab in appearance, and date of birth unknown. In truth nothing is known really, we can only assume that he existed, and that is why it was so easy to make stuff up.

Mate a man with advanced knowledge back in those times where people still thought only in black and white an advanced practice would be seen as miraculous.

In the Essene gospel of peace they write about him treating a man in agony whos writhing around onthe ground in pain. He gets a gourd of warm liquid and inserts it into the man who expels a giant tape worm from his regions. This would be seen as de possession by most back then. Could be too looking at it from a different persective than just the material one.

It rains fish, It still happens to this day. Its even rained apples a few times special delivery from Spain all the way over to Cornwall or Devon I think it was, it filled a guys backyard up.

People come back from the dead,the comatose state is like death, besides that very knowledgeable people put a sponge of water and herbs up to his lips ;-).

The miraculous events still occur to this day and to those in tune with their surrounds,when events occur when someone is in need of the event occurring its divine timing to them. Some people can know in advance of events and so its even more a gift of spirit and knowing beyond doubt the event will occur.


Ive seen it first hand,been a part of it.I watched a seven year drought get broken and stayed in a shit hole town just to watch it occur against what locals thought, laughing at my suggestion that this time around things are going to be very different. That night on dusk their town was a raging torrential river and they were the top town on the highest mountain in Queensland you could feel the energy building in the earth on their mountain hours before it hit.
Ive seen it before when people on a beach all their hair stood up straight and pointed to the sky prior to an electrical storm ,I got off the beach quick but you could feel like a calmness of energy collecting but sort of an excitment at the same time. Up the mountain was more intense than that for hours before hand.

Inside of me though I was thanking God for it occurring before it happened,like thank you the drought is broken. But there is always some material explanation these days to how people can know somethings about to happen.

Apparently lighting sends a charge through the ground before it strikes,maybe that was it it that I could feel . So theres the modern day answer so you can dismiss the timing.

But then again Ive had patterns in the sky form right on que too, I cant prove it from what i was thinking and asking within at the time though.Im certain the events would of occurred whether I was there or not . The miracles are in the timing and the requirement being met and hearing that feeling to look in a certain direction at a certain time.

Whats happening on Earth even by our own doing in the material and mental realm are giant miracles of events. Its a shame people can get so caught up in those material ones that they can no longer feel the natural ones for what they are.

This is an amazing trip down here,its all up to you in your own perspective what you get out of stuff, even the worse stuff has its other side of the coin experience if you seek it.

Like they say you can wallow in the shit you just got dealt or you can grow roses in it. Ive really had to live that one out this year.

Andre, I really have to object to you luring me in with an incredibly long post. You do know I am trying to leave.

Firstly, it isn't cut and dry that Jesus existed as I have seen mentioned in this thread. There are doubters, though they are the minority and should be assumed as much.

Secondly, the genuine evidence about Jesus and his life is non-existant. It is all heresay and gossip spun as fact and fact spun as superpower. There is no genuine evidence that this man in extremely primitive times could have been anything more than a moralist or at best a moralist with conjuring tricks as genuine magic doesn't exist.

I don't deny that there are amazing things in the world, but most of those amazing things have been or are being explained by science. Jesus could get away with one trick perhaps, but to get away with so many? It has to be made up. Either you got lucky healing the sick now and then or you were one of the rare people to physically rise up from the dead, but you don't get lucky and draw trump cards in every single way that Jesus is credited with. It is untenable and extremely unrealistic. It is very realistic that one could throw a wobbler at the bankers though as we see it happening every day. Thus as a normal man with moral views, then yes, absolutely. A magic man son of God with superpowers, utter gibberish.

I think what we have is different definitions of miracle. What you see as a miracle are the less common, but rationally explainable elements of nature. I don't see them as miracles, but I would definitely agree that can be astounding and incredible. Take Lourdes for instance, they are documenting cases and cases of people, but in truth, there are no real miracles. There is the occasional instance where someone has found the mental strength to recover from something, but on the whole there are no real miracles. The universe as explained by science thus far is much more of a miracle, but I wouldn't leave it to that word alone. I would let the reasoning explain it, as it will in due course by smarter men than I.

I don't find it negative or defeatist to not believe in miracles, but I think one should always be pragmatic. I think there is incredible romance, and beauty, and wonder in the world, but I also know that the mind can be fooled by chemical tricks and illusions or outright self delusion.

Who was it that said if you introduce the latest technology to a primitive society, you can make them believe in magic? It's sad that on book based on heresay has such a stranglehold despite us having the technology to know so much more. You would think some of the technology could destroy the bollocks, but seemingly freedom of information counts for nothing when the propaganda strangles you young.

[brocktonblockbust]

Yeshua Ben Pandera and Yeshua Ha Notzri both walked the earth and both performed miracles. One of them---we dont know which---and the other's acts and sayings were combined over the years into a single entity.

[El Kabong]

You would think some of the technology could destroy the bollocks, but seemingly freedom of information counts for nothing when the propaganda strangles you young.

Technology doesn't inherently equal good. There have been and are several very bright people who have been very evil and filled with hate. Their ability to be smart has only made them more effective in being evil it has not brought more peace to the world or more goodness.

[VictorCharlie]

Threads like this make me miss Marsax and Bilbo.

[Dia bando]

Religion does it not cause , a lot of trouble to the human race , it does in fact make us intolerant
of others of there religious beliefs. Who is right who is wrong,! when the nuts knock your door
and start quoting the Bible to you, leave people alone simple FUCK OFF you pests.

Yes I'm intolerant because, I simple want to live my life MY WAY, you don't have to be religious
to do or show acts of kindness. What suits you may not suit me, it's hard to live to a book that's
over 2,000 years old. Time moves on but some people that follow, theses Religions are stuck in
the dark ages, server punishment is dished out to this day.