I feel weight classes should be changed!

[Silkeyjoe]

Id just have 9 divisions.

Heavy
Cruiser
Light Heavy
Middle
Welter
Light
Feather
Bantom
Fly

[La Cucaracha]

the weight divisions HAVE all changed ..... Huge advances in diet, training and nutrition as well as the changes to weigh in times mean that the fighters competing in each division are generally much bigger than the guys from the past.

Does anyone really think that Sergio Martinez is the same size as Carmen Basilio, for example?

Exactly my point.... the average middle weight today has better formed muscles, more attention to his diet and different lifestyle habits.

The entire game changed in the mid-80's- not because of the changes in the day you weigh the men, but the way we changed as a human race- physiology wise.

If you went back to the same day weigh in you would have NO FIGHTS.... no one would make weight.

Maybe they would fight in their actual weight class

[ykdadamaja]

the weight divisions HAVE all changed ..... Huge advances in diet, training and nutrition as well as the changes to weigh in times mean that the fighters competing in each division are generally much bigger than the guys from the past.

Does anyone really think that Sergio Martinez is the same size as Carmen Basilio, for example?

Exactly my point.... the average middle weight today has better formed muscles, more attention to his diet and different lifestyle habits.

The entire game changed in the mid-80's- not because of the changes in the day you weigh the men, but the way we changed as a human race- physiology wise.

If you went back to the same day weigh in you would have NO FIGHTS.... no one would make weight.

Maybe they would fight in their actual weight class

lol. Point taken.

[X]

im not convinced that the human race changed in the 1980s.

Basilio was about 5 foot 6, Martinez is 5 foot 10.

Middleweights today are not really middleweights.

Look at Canelo, he was actually fighting as a light heavy in yesterday's 'junior middleweight' fight.

[Master]

im not convinced that the human race changed in the 1980s.

Basilio was about 5 foot 6, Martinez is 5 foot 10.

Middleweights today are not really middleweights.

Look at Canelo, he was actually fighting as a light heavy in yesterday's 'junior middleweight' fight.

Did not realise Basillio was that short, no wonder he was stocky. Canelo was huge then. Same day weight in would make it fairer.

[Britkid]

There is little to no difference between the minimum weights to flyweight... some are only by three of four pounds. Useless.

As a percentage of body weight it is not that much different than all the others up to Light Heavyweight.

[ykdadamaja]

There is little to no difference between the minimum weights to flyweight... some are only by three of four pounds. Useless.

As a percentage of body weight it is not that much different than all the others up to Light Heavyweight.

But how was that measured? Is it effective weight? I dunno?!?! I don't see a big difference between a guy fighting at 105 and 115. There isn't that much difference.... jmo....

[Britkid]

I've always wondered if introducing a 'Super Heavyweight' divison could help make the higher weight classes a bit more competetive.

It would make little, indeed perhaps no difference. I remember when the (then) 190/195lbs division was created in the late 70s, supposedly to help 'small Heavyweights'. The reality was that it became a division for big/lazy Light Heavies.


The Heavyweight division pays more. If you are a 210lber and have the chance to fight a fellow 210lber for £50,000-£75,000 or have a £500,000+ pay day fighting a 250lbs Klitschko, I know what most would do, no matter what it is called...

[Britkid]

As for weigh ins I too would bring back same day weigh ins. But I would make things safer by having an official weigh in two days prior, when a fighter must be within 3% of the contracted weight, or the fight loses it's title status, but there could be negotiations to decide if the fight could go ahead.

[Britkid]

There is little to no difference between the minimum weights to flyweight... some are only by three of four pounds. Useless.

As a percentage of body weight it is not that much different than all the others up to Light Heavyweight.

But how was that measured? Is it effective weight? I dunno?!?! I don't see a big difference between a guy fighting at 105 and 115. There isn't that much difference.... jmo....

My point is (using your example), a 105lbs man has put on 9.5% more weight to get up to 115lbs. But a 160lbs man only needs to put on 6.25% more weight to make 170lbs. That is why there is a smaller gap in the weight divisions at the lighter weights.

[ykdadamaja]

There is little to no difference between the minimum weights to flyweight... some are only by three of four pounds. Useless.

As a percentage of body weight it is not that much different than all the others up to Light Heavyweight.

But how was that measured? Is it effective weight? I dunno?!?! I don't see a big difference between a guy fighting at 105 and 115. There isn't that much difference.... jmo....

My point is (using your example), a 105lbs man has put on 9.5% more weight to get up to 115lbs. But a 160lbs man only needs to put on 6.25% more weight to make 170lbs. That is why there is a smaller gap in the weight divisions at the lighter weights.

But the underpinning rationale doesn't equate to effectiveness in the ring in many instances... a Super Feather can compete, and have competed, really well against Jr. Middle's...

Minimum weights have come up and looked impressive against Lightweights and Featherweights....

Jr. Middle's and below- or at least guys that started below and at Jr. Middle- don't seem to be effective when they go up to Super Middle, all except the odd exception in RJJ who went all the way up to HW.

These classes need to be re-classified.

[beenKOed]

I've always wondered if introducing a 'Super Heavyweight' divison could help make the higher weight classes a bit more competetive.

A better classification would be "Super Pussyweight".

[beenKOed]

I could live with the 17 weights if we could get back to the same day weigh in.
Same day weigh in protects both fighters, adding 24 hrs plus between the weigh in and the fight protects the bigger guy from the smaller guy by giving him more time to rehydrate.
Now they have some BS about not rehydrating beyond a certain %. Fuck that noise man, make the weight the morning of the fight or you lose. That would put fighters in their proper weight class, pronto.