I feel weight classes should be changed!

[ykdadamaja]

Weight classes are there for a reason to protect fighters and minimize the unfair advantage.

Canelo never made weight by a pound but the extra 100k is sure to make angulo happy.

There is little to no difference between the minimum weights to flyweight... some are only by three of four pounds. Useless.

Some of these "Jr." titles- Welter, Feather, etc... can be deduced in simpler form.

The cruiser weight division can easily be combined with the LH....

[X]

the weight divisions HAVE all changed ..... Huge advances in diet, training and nutrition as well as the changes to weigh in times mean that the fighters competing in each division are generally much bigger than the guys from the past.

Does anyone really think that Sergio Martinez is the same size as Carmen Basilio, for example?

[Master]

the weight divisions HAVE all changed ..... Huge advances in diet, training and nutrition as well as the changes to weigh in times mean that the fighters competing in each division are generally much bigger than the guys from the past.

Does anyone really think that Sergio Martinez is the same size as Carmen Basilio, for example?

That could be more to do with not having same day weigh in than nutrition.

[ykdadamaja]

the weight divisions HAVE all changed ..... Huge advances in diet, training and nutrition as well as the changes to weigh in times mean that the fighters competing in each division are generally much bigger than the guys from the past.

Does anyone really think that Sergio Martinez is the same size as Carmen Basilio, for example?

That could be more to do with not having same day weigh in than nutrition.

... and the main reason why they changed same day weigh in was because of health concerns and fighters weight draining, that and "time"... so, what exactly do we want?!!?

[ykdadamaja]

the weight divisions HAVE all changed ..... Huge advances in diet, training and nutrition as well as the changes to weigh in times mean that the fighters competing in each division are generally much bigger than the guys from the past.

Does anyone really think that Sergio Martinez is the same size as Carmen Basilio, for example?

Exactly my point.... the average middle weight today has better formed muscles, more attention to his diet and different lifestyle habits.

The entire game changed in the mid-80's- not because of the changes in the day you weigh the men, but the way we changed as a human race- physiology wise.

If you went back to the same day weigh in you would have NO FIGHTS.... no one would make weight.

[Master]

Basillio was built like a truck how can you say he was not well defined?

[ykdadamaja]

Basillio was built like a truck how can you say he was not well defined?

There is a difference between looking in shape, being in shape, being well defined, and having the strength and conditioning at a certain weight.

Basillio had a great physique. Meaning he was well defined and had conditioning to a certain degree. But when we compare him to a today's MW- from Hopkins, to RJJ, to GGG to even Ward and Dirrell, he would not last because he would be fighting unusually stronger and conditioned athletes.

It's not the same....

[Master]

Basillio was built like a truck how can you say he was not well defined?

There is a difference between looking in shape, being in shape, being well defined, and having the strength and conditioning at a certain weight.

Basillio had a great physique. Meaning he was well defined and had conditioning to a certain degree. But when we compare him to a today's MW- from Hopkins, to RJJ, to GGG to even Ward and Dirrell, he would not last because he would be fighting unusually stronger and conditioned athletes.

It's not the same....

Disagree. Obviously Hopkins and Jones are greats but Bassilio was built like Abraham's. Talent is one think, physique is another.

[Silkeyjoe]

Id just have 9 divisions.

Heavy
Cruiser
Light Heavy
Middle
Welter
Light
Feather
Bantom
Fly

[La Cucaracha]

the weight divisions HAVE all changed ..... Huge advances in diet, training and nutrition as well as the changes to weigh in times mean that the fighters competing in each division are generally much bigger than the guys from the past.

Does anyone really think that Sergio Martinez is the same size as Carmen Basilio, for example?

Exactly my point.... the average middle weight today has better formed muscles, more attention to his diet and different lifestyle habits.

The entire game changed in the mid-80's- not because of the changes in the day you weigh the men, but the way we changed as a human race- physiology wise.

If you went back to the same day weigh in you would have NO FIGHTS.... no one would make weight.

Maybe they would fight in their actual weight class

[ykdadamaja]

the weight divisions HAVE all changed ..... Huge advances in diet, training and nutrition as well as the changes to weigh in times mean that the fighters competing in each division are generally much bigger than the guys from the past.

Does anyone really think that Sergio Martinez is the same size as Carmen Basilio, for example?

Exactly my point.... the average middle weight today has better formed muscles, more attention to his diet and different lifestyle habits.

The entire game changed in the mid-80's- not because of the changes in the day you weigh the men, but the way we changed as a human race- physiology wise.

If you went back to the same day weigh in you would have NO FIGHTS.... no one would make weight.

Maybe they would fight in their actual weight class

lol. Point taken.

[X]

im not convinced that the human race changed in the 1980s.

Basilio was about 5 foot 6, Martinez is 5 foot 10.

Middleweights today are not really middleweights.

Look at Canelo, he was actually fighting as a light heavy in yesterday's 'junior middleweight' fight.

[Master]

im not convinced that the human race changed in the 1980s.

Basilio was about 5 foot 6, Martinez is 5 foot 10.

Middleweights today are not really middleweights.

Look at Canelo, he was actually fighting as a light heavy in yesterday's 'junior middleweight' fight.

Did not realise Basillio was that short, no wonder he was stocky. Canelo was huge then. Same day weight in would make it fairer.

[Britkid]

There is little to no difference between the minimum weights to flyweight... some are only by three of four pounds. Useless.

As a percentage of body weight it is not that much different than all the others up to Light Heavyweight.

[ykdadamaja]

There is little to no difference between the minimum weights to flyweight... some are only by three of four pounds. Useless.

As a percentage of body weight it is not that much different than all the others up to Light Heavyweight.

But how was that measured? Is it effective weight? I dunno?!?! I don't see a big difference between a guy fighting at 105 and 115. There isn't that much difference.... jmo....