London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians

[Andre]

If it is just the freedom of movement for EU workers only and the government havent thought it through 100%,what happens to the unemployed who need reeducating and placements?
Business will be backing this for one reason; because pretrained workers are cheaper.

[Kirkland Laing]

Every major economy is after cheap labour. Or at least the businesses that back the governments of every major economy want cheap labour. It's a net positive to the economy to let these people in although the positive bit all goes to the top 1% and the negatives all go to the population at large, competition for jobs, housing, school places and medical care etc.

[Andre]

Just the fact we are skimming off all the better health care workers from third world countries who need them more than we do in those over populated areas, is a tragedy and unjust.Aside from making local employment more difficult in the areas they turn up in.
Now they want to over populate us too,I dont get how they think it is sustainable,locally or globally. They are pulling down homes here to build larger roads into the cities and they are destroying our only local farmland just out of the city to create new housing for the new arrivals. The whole thing is a form of madness. I hate Chinese fruit and veg half of it is dry and never ripens so now they can it and send it,I hate their stupid tools that snap off and furniture that breaks down early. I recon their food imports have got all the agricultural chemicals in them that we banned years ago I know they have, cause they've killed all their bees via over use of chemical sprays and now use cheap labor to hand pollinate their shitty peaches and pears off ladders.
we are even getting their polluted sea food in cheap cans and we export our clean products off to Japan and other more wealthy places .

[Dia bando]

I feel this small Country of ours is over populated,! we are building on flood planes, the country
side is disappearing, under concrete and roads.!
This small island will be full to bursting point, we as a nation should grow more of our own food,
and produce more energy for our needs.

[Andre]

Im sure its developers behind all the politics.

[Dark Lord Al]

Im sure its developers behind all the politics.

Are you suggesting developers give the government hand outs to get their own way ?
Shame on you Andre , politicians are all honest men im sure.

[Gandalf]

Every major economy is after cheap labour. Or at least the businesses that back the governments of every major economy want cheap labour. It's a net positive to the economy to let these people in although the positive bit all goes to the top 1% and the negatives all go to the population at large, competition for jobs, housing, school places and medical care etc.

This post sums it up perfectly. All the silly positives such as 'I know lovely immigrants' and 'They are doing the jobs the English won't do' really boil down to the political elites having failed the nation and stop gaps are the solution. Ignore what caused the problems to begin with. The native English are vile scum and must be exterminated and they are making a solemn attempt at doing so.

[X]

well, it's the 29th January and I haven't seen a single Romanian yet.

Mind you, I've only been in Bucharest for a few weeks so far

[Beanz]

I have, but as I have said a matter of days ago, it is January and freezing cold here. Who would be on an uncertain job hunt in the middle of the English winter. It is more realistic to evaluated numbers at the end of a genuine period of time like a year. They will be significant and mock me if I am wrong, but make me King if I am right.

It's now a year and four days and we literally can't move for Romanians and Bulgarians

Greenbeanz thinks he's won some kind of argument. What a clown. It's the middle of bloody January.

All the flights were not sold out. All the trains were not full. All the ferries were not crammed full. The planned mass invasion never happened.

Oh please Beanz. The invasion is set for April 2014. Flights, trains and ferries WILL be crammed and you will be sorry.

April 1 2014?

[Gandalf]

London isn't overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians, but council housing has been flogged to developers for overseas markets and it's a fact that immigration has not been controlled whatsoever. Brock got carried away in his estimations considering that the number is something akin to the entire populations of those countries, but still the immigration has been significant and unofficially it must be something horrendous.

You ruin the harmony of a country when all the young leave as they cannot make it at home and then in turn you allow in lots of immigrants who in turn don't like the host country so much except as a place to pool some cash. Then you have people coming in working for less, some even turning radical, and then you find you don't have a sane country anymore. Europe is a mess and it is because countries lost the ability to control borders and maintain a sense of community.

Now will lessons be learned or will Europe become militarised and bizarre like the US? I think we know the answer. The economy and the useful excuse of terrorism now ushers in totalitarianism.

[brocktonblockbust]

London isn't overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians, but council housing has been flogged to developers for overseas markets and it's a fact that immigration has not been controlled whatsoever. Brock got carried away in his estimations considering that the number is something akin to the entire populations of those countries, but still the immigration has been significant and unofficially it must be something horrendous.

You ruin the harmony of a country when all the young leave as they cannot make it at home and then in turn you allow in lots of immigrants who in turn don't like the host country so much except as a place to pool some cash. Then you have people coming in working for less, some even turning radical, and then you find you don't have a sane country anymore. Europe is a mess and it is because countries lost the ability to control borders and maintain a sense of community.

Now will lessons be learned or will Europe become militarised and bizarre like the US? I think we know the answer. The economy and the useful excuse of terrorism now ushers in totalitarianism.

Great post Miles. Only pedants and nitpickers will focus on the literal "29 million" verbiage. Fact is UK, EU US are being ruined because of what you correctly noted. Further, US citizens' opportunities have been drastically reduced for example, I WAS making $15 an hour in 1994 as a customer service rep, and 21 years later all those kinds of office/customer service/clerical jobs are now paying $12-14 an hour! You think an american wants to work 21 years and earn the same or less per hour? NO. SO THEY LEAVE. And find jobs where their Masters and Bachelor degrees are in high demand. and Berta Valenzuela or Maria Hernandez come in from Colombia or Peru and they get those clerical/office jobs at a discounted $11 an hour AND THEY THINK THEY HIT THE JACKPOT! At $330 USD PER WEEK thry can feed their whole village in El Salvador. their English sucks and if you call a customerr service number for your bank or Verizon account or electric bill etc you can hardly understand them/can't understand their Spanglish at all..if u go into some stores they have an attitude problem if you don't speak Spanish to them. This has been happening by the hundreds of thousands since 1990. Ruined the country. EUROPE & UK you are next.

P.s. when my grampa came over from Italy in 1921, he was 10 yrs old and he learned English in 2 years, got a high school diploma, and spoke with ZERO ACCENT and blended and fit well into American society. These Hispanic people (these, bwahaha) usually demand bilingual driving tests and Spanish language aptitude tests and Spanish voting booths etc. And signs must be posted in Spanish everywhere in California, Florida, Nj/NYetc. Italian immigrants never asked for Italian language signs, tests, forms, voting procedures etc. These fucking people BWAHAHA do not care about learning English. They have ruined society in some ways. Either LEARN ENGLISH OR GO THE FUCK HOME. I speak Turkish because I'm working in Turkey. I spoke Spanish whilst in Colombia, Venezuela, Mexico, etc. I spoke Malay whilst living in Malaysia. Kick THESE (bwaaaahaha) PEOPLE'S AUDACIOUS ASSES OUT if they refuse to learn English. Dios mio saccalos en seguida y mandalos por atras fucking hijos de puta sin verguenzas! Malditos bendejos. Los mas sin verguenzas que hay.

[Beanz]

What a couple of arrogant clowns you both are. Farrage has announced today that he plans to dismantle the NHS. So it is the soothsayer of doom himself who now admits he aims to destroy this country without the need for immigrants. Most Brits and Americans don't leave their country, and yet you pair think you speak for them? Get over yourselves.

[ryanman]

Ok forget the '29 Million'. You still said 'the invasion is set for April 2014. Flights, trains and ferries WILL be crammed and you will be sorry'.

You were wrong. Any chance of admitting it?
Or is this one of those times where you didn't mean what you said and how could we be so unfair for assuming you did?
Cue others jumping with generalisations about immigration that aren't relevant.

This thread was about the massive influx of Romanians and Bulgarians that you said we were going to be hit with.
We said it wouldn't happen.
It didn't happen.
That simple.
Anything else is a different discussion.

[brocktonblockbust]

Ok forget the '29 Million'. You still said 'the invasion is set for April 2014. Flights, trains and ferries WILL be crammed and you will be sorry'.

You were wrong. Any chance of admitting it?
Or is this one of those times where you didn't mean what you said and how could we be so unfair for assuming you did?
Cue others jumping with generalisations about immigration that aren't relevant.

This thread was about the massive influx of Romanians and Bulgarians that you said we were going to be hit with.
We said it wouldn't happen.
It didn't happen.
That simple.
Anything else is a different discussion.

If you tell me flights etc are not crammed then yes I believe you since I'm not there. Are you saying there was/is no massive influx? I meant what I said about that. If it hasn't been as massive as I predicted I have no problem saying my prediction was wrong. Does that make you feel better?

[Gandalf]

Eh? I don't think calling people 'clowns' helps much. It's not our fault what Farage is being allowed to say in the press.

Have I ever supported the dismantling of the NHS? I simply advocate controlled borders like most countries in the world do. The NHS should never ever go and anyone who advocates as much needs shooting down at the ballot box and that is seemingly now UKIP, Labour, Lib Dem and Tory. Anyone involved in PFI's or the selling off of government contracts has committed high treason, no qualms with anyone on that score. Of course it doesn't matter what they say, it's already done. Was the mail service on the last agenda? Nope, and still that went. It's all being flogged off regardless of election based hot air. How is Farage going to destroy the UK anyway? Haven't Labour and Tory already done that? It is likely to be another establishment coalition regardless and if Farage wants to add a sparkler to the firework display, then shame on anyone that accepts the loss of the NHS. Immigration I can understand, but healthcare? No, I do not.