Looking for the roots of terrorism

[Beanz]

Very Interesting article by one of the few anthropologists researching on the ground


Looking for the roots of terrorism : Nature News & Comment

"If you want to find out who's going to fight and die, if you want to break up a particular terrorist cell, find out what they’re eating and how they dress. Plots never occur in mosques: you have to be quiet in a mosque. They occur in fast food places, soccer fields, picnics and barbeques."

[IamInuit]

Will read the article after lunch as I need to get the dogs out for a charge but as far as origins go its why God in the old Testament created different languages at the towers of Babylon. If we go back before that when grunts were a language, I'd bet terrorism was routinely practiced by rivals I think as far as modern times go its roots are religion but now its just psychopaths using religion as a back drop.

[Master]

One mans terrorism is another mans freedom fighter. You have to be desperate/deluded to kill innocent people but have to rationalise it to do it.

[Andre]

Interesting statement; its a blanket one though isnt it.
I know this is about protecting the innocents from within a religion from the real dumb cunts from within our own societies and fair enough, but to blanket some events to disguise others is a media means to an end,he writes with an agenda.

Also the statement he uses: "Its not about recruitment".
Laughable and very annoying too: using that regarding 'terrorism', when you think of liitle kids getting explosives packed onto them by grown ups and told to enter buses and squares.

That statement would cover many of the young Muslim men going to Syria to fight on the side of Isil and other fundamentalist groups elsewhere for sure, but it does not cover all terrorist activity.

Home grown terrorists have a few agendas and many means by which to gather.

I hate when people point to one truth and then attempt to spread it thin to blanket other activities.

The ones from here in Melbourne a few years back who wished to strike at home, didnt just happen to meet up or go searching for a boss, they met the leader in the Mosque (the big gun with the overseas contacts to move these groups into positions).
They got groomed by him and told they would be blessed, then later on he got these young men to meet up in his own house.Yes they met in cafes too and soccer matches and other places as well and even on phones and in their own parents houses at times too.

The truth is the other 97% of people in that Mosque didnt know it went down thats the real truth they are innocent good people, we dont have make shit up or blur the lines they are innocent good people.

[Andre]

As an example, I got permission, before the [three] Bali bombers [who carried out a set of simultaneous attacks in 2002] were executed, to interview them. They were going to be shot because they blew up 200 people. I couldn’t get human subjects approval because “you have to bring a lawyer, and besides we won't allow anyone to interview prisoners.” I said why? “You can never be sure you're not violating their right to speech.”
Then you have crazy things [required by US funding bodies] like host country authorization. Suppose you want to do work in Israel and Palestine. So you go to the Israelis, say, “We want to do studies, just like we do in American universities,” and say, “We need host country authorization from some government.” They say, “Are you crazy?” And in many countries that are in chaos, who’s going to give you permission?


Here: for the people who dont know where these bombers he is talking about right there were locked up: because if you think the West got them and refused him access YOU ARE WRONG.


These men were locked down by the Indonesian government a 75% Muslim run affair.




Makes you rethink why they didnt want a westerner in their jails asking their people how it eventuated.


They just executed drug traffickers last week in the same place.



Now go search where the guy who organized the explosives is now; He is free


Two laws .

[El Kabong]

One mans terrorism is another mans freedom fighter.

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[Gandalf]

I haven't read the article as I haven't read anything except the previous posts yet, but my immediate impressions are somewhat in line with those of Master. Terrorism seldom emerges from a vacuum and most typically is the result of oppression and not being listened to. Participants in the American revolution would today be labelled extremists, but of course they were not so to any man that craves freedom from tyranny. The same here with statues dedicated to the proud patriots who resisted Japanese occupation. They too were called terrorists, but of course hindsight tells us very clearly that they were freedom fighters resisting empire and occupation. You can apply the same logic to dozens of conflicts in times past. Most empires are notorious occupiers of stolen lands and thus to them everyone who resists is an extremist or a terrorist.

[Beanflicker]

"Plots never occur in mosques: you have to be quiet in a mosque. "

Pretty silly quote. To deny the role mosques have played as a recruitment tool is just silly.

[Beanflicker]

One mans terrorism is another mans freedom fighter. You have to be desperate/deluded to kill innocent people but have to rationalise it to do it.

True, everyone is the hero in their own story.

[SlimTrae]

but as far as origins go its why God in the old Testament created different languages at the towers of Babylon. If we go back before that when grunts were a language, I'd bet terrorism was routinely practiced by rivals I think as far as modern times go its roots are religion but now its just psychopaths using religion as a back drop.

I'm the outsider here I guess..
I've always fancied the first people on earth communicated with thought- vocal communications formed once our 100% brain usage crept down to a meager 6%.--the Bible IMO is folklore. Some is factual some is figurative..

The number of the beast=6 about what we use-- which equates us with the beast of the field.

But I am even more of an outsider thinking that Osama guy was doin' this shit to people in regions like the Sudan years ago in the 1990's...not a peep from the press.

Hits "certain" countries...now we gotta do something about it. Kinda like not worrying about bedbugs when its at the Micro motel..

Now those who went there are @ Holiday inn, Ramada, Raddisson, now the whole damn hotel industry is carrying bedbugs because it wasn't worthy of stopping it when it was hitting their competitors...Some shit really is too late to remedy.

[Andre]

but as far as origins go its why God in the old Testament created different languages at the towers of Babylon. If we go back before that when grunts were a language, I'd bet terrorism was routinely practiced by rivals I think as far as modern times go its roots are religion but now its just psychopaths using religion as a back drop.

I'm the outsider here I guess..
I've always fancied the first people on earth communicated with thought- vocal communications formed once our 100% brain usage crept down to a meager 6%.--the Bible IMO is folklore. Some is factual some is figurative..

The number of the beast=6 about what we use-- which equates us with the beast of the field.

But I am even more of an outsider thinking that Osama guy was doin' this shit to people in regions like the Sudan years ago in the 1990's...not a peep from the press.

Hits "certain" countries...now we gotta do something about it. Kinda like not worrying about bedbugs when its at the Micro motel..

Now those who went there are @ Holiday inn, Ramada, Raddisson, now the whole damn hotel industry is carrying bedbugs because it wasn't worthy of stopping it when it was hitting their competitors...Some shit really is too late to remedy.

I recon similar, so called intelligence took over from things of the heart.
The bible has analogies and parables for the most part.

[brocktonblockbust]

Will read the article after lunch as I need to get the dogs out for a charge but as far as origins go its why God in the old Testament created different languages at the towers of Babylon. If we go back before that when grunts were a language, I'd bet terrorism was routinely practiced by rivals I think as far as modern times go its roots are religion but now its just psychopaths using religion as a back drop.

R u doing the Iditerod thence?

[Andre]

Will read the article after lunch as I need to get the dogs out for a charge but as far as origins go its why God in the old Testament created different languages at the towers of Babylon. If we go back before that when grunts were a language, I'd bet terrorism was routinely practiced by rivals I think as far as modern times go its roots are religion but now its just psychopaths using religion as a back drop.

R u doing the Iditerod thence?

Read something wondrous from this great event mate;

http://www.linkedin.com/pulse/201411...n-the-iditarod

[El Kabong]

"France has about 7.5% Muslims and [they make] up to 60–75% of the prison population. It’s a very similar situation to black youth in the United States."


Yuuuup here we go with the White Guilt , typical lefty drivel.

[Beanz]

"France has about 7.5% Muslims and [they make] up to 60–75% of the prison population. It’s a very similar situation to black youth in the United States."


Yuuuup here we go with the White Guilt , typical lefty drivel.

He was quite obviously talking about proportional representation, not justification. The very next sentence that you conveniently omitted says

" The difference is here’s an ideology that appeals to them "

So he is not making the lazy comparison that you accuse him of. It's extremely frustrating that so many people, even in this thread, are so conditioned in their own thinking that they are seemingly uninterested in facts or insights gained by someone who is actively trying to find some answers.

This is an academic with posts in both France and America, not a politician with some axe to grind. It's not "White Guilt" or "Lefty Drivel". He is hardly excusing the behaviour of people when he call them "low lifes" and "bad guys" is he?

The conclusions he draws are not the obvious ones and it's uncomfortable reading I get that. He is not toeing the government lie that they are highly trained commando like units, he is pointing out the unpredictable and often random nature of such a threat. These are often very stupid ignorant people, something he confirms when he relays that fact that many would rather shoot him than answer his questions.

But no let's not bother reading the report or examining tired, pattern based predicatable ways of thinking. Lets accuse him of having "an agenda" because then we can carry on thinking in the same comfy, flawed way.

I know many people innately distrust academics ( particularly when evidence they use goes against their own belief system) and love to hang on to simple ideas, but there is little point discussing anything if all you want to do is have your own opinion verified and have no room to contemplate new ways of thinking about a problem.