Read something wondrous from this great event mate;
http://www.linkedin.com/pulse/201411...n-the-iditarod
"France has about 7.5% Muslims and [they make] up to 60–75% of the prison population. It’s a very similar situation to black youth in the United States."
Yuuuup here we go with the White Guilt, typical lefty drivel.
He was quite obviously talking about proportional representation, not justification. The very next sentence that you conveniently omitted says
" The difference is here’s an ideology that appeals to them "
So he is not making the lazy comparison that you accuse him of. It's extremely frustrating that so many people, even in this thread, are so conditioned in their own thinking that they are seemingly uninterested in facts or insights gained by someone who is actively trying to find some answers.
This is an academic with posts in both France and America, not a politician with some axe to grind. It's not "White Guilt" or "Lefty Drivel". He is hardly excusing the behaviour of people when he call them "low lifes" and "bad guys" is he?
The conclusions he draws are not the obvious ones and it's uncomfortable reading I get that. He is not toeing the government lie that they are highly trained commando like units, he is pointing out the unpredictable and often random nature of such a threat. These are often very stupid ignorant people, something he confirms when he relays that fact that many would rather shoot him than answer his questions.
But no let's not bother reading the report or examining tired, pattern based predicatable ways of thinking. Lets accuse him of having "an agenda" because then we can carry on thinking in the same comfy, flawed way.
I know many people innately distrust academics ( particularly when evidence they use goes against their own belief system) and love to hang on to simple ideas, but there is little point discussing anything if all you want to do is have your own opinion verified and have no room to contemplate new ways of thinking about a problem.
Sorry Beanz, you won't get a discussion on the article. The word 'terrorism' is in the subject line. That means the thread is about repeating thoughts on 'Terrorism'. I can already predict what several other people are likely to be in here saying shortly. None of which will be a discussion of any of the points raised. It's anti-intellectualism.
The fact that he refers to them as 'bad-guys' and 'low-lifes' and (rightly) points out that these guys are mostly idiots won't make a difference.
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#1 "The difference is here’s an ideology that appeals to them" ...a quote which could be used to describe why someone might join Al Qaeda but if you think about it, it's also something someone might say for a black person joining the Crips or Bloods.
#2 "This is an academic" ....indeed, a LEFTY, universities are overrun with them!
#3 "The best predictors turn out to be things like who your friends are and whether you belong to some action group." .....like an Al Qaeda terrorist cell![]()
My reply was not meant just for you but seeing as you are willing to engage rationally
1. Yes there are indeed similarities there, but Jimmy and Timmy's feelings of disenfranchisement were not good reasons to join the Karazy Kripples any more than those westerners who end up becoming vehment anti-western fanatics. He is not trying to make a simple equation to explain things.
2. I think it is only in your head that academic and Lefty are interchangeable LyleIn Europe quite the opposite is often true, with Academics seen as conservative right wing members of the establishment.
3. He tries to make clear the independent nature of individuals and small groups and disavow us of the notion of cells. That is a military allegory that makes us feel there are similar military rules of engagement, and there are not. They are criminal and psychopathic.
If you want to know what they're angry about you could try asking the fucking terrorists, or even just listen to what they say. Other than the gys upset about cartoons in every single case it's because of us interfering in their countries (9/11 guys) Israel killing people in neighbouring countries/Palestinians (9/11 and most terrorist attacks previous to that), us invading Afghanistan/Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands ( 99.something percent of attacks since 2001.) Case in point. The people giving interviews to bystanders after they knifed that British soldier. And so on.
There are both though! We have home grown terrorists and we have home grown fighters who head back to their birth places to fight for Allah and Mohammad.
Some work single for sure, like that fuckwit in Sydney who killed in the cafe recently. But many also eventually are organized into cells too its a fact,911 was a group of men who broke into 3 organized cells on a timed hit, how can it be seen any other way? It occurs both ways so why only look one way at it I dont really get it?
Unless maybe we are on total crossed purposes here mate and I think you might be talking about and are trying to stem the real dumb from within our western societies getting ideas and heading for the Mosques and disrupting the innocent families there -young angry men eventually going in with the old style like the shaved heads and bother boots of old routine to rout them out in their evil dopey mindless fucking way.Those types of people who get dumbed down enough to attack Muslim women on trains etc.
That has to be your thoughts here?
There are young -------- (you fill in the blanks call em what you like, see what you come up with as a term Id be very interested) men leaving our shores to go and fight against our armies overseas.Thats a fact happened in the Afgan conflict to a minor degree now in Syria ina larger degree, we cant stop them returning back to their birth home to fight for Allah and Mohammads cause of Jihad;its happening,it is an occurrence.
They are not single criminals and physcopaths.
Where they form into groups was the main item and the main question raised here in this journos works.Not if they form into groups.
Im not against him or his works or you being 100% on his side or he fact he so called educated that is a swipe.
Im all for you protecting innocent Muslims who I agree are 97% clear, but why aren't you all for routing out the small percentage that hides among them?
I cant think of any answer for that question, except "they are not hiding in amongst their own religion". I await to stand corrected on that view.
The fundamentalist groups these lads aim at joining have recently stated to these would be soldiers of Allah and Mohammad the last prophet; "Stay in your countries there and spill blood there". Sure some fuckwits will singly get up and do exactly that. Some will be in pairs some in threes or more.
I dont get the one eyed views either way, as if it all has to be viewed one way or the other which somehow makes one view right and one wrong. This is a big subject with many fights on many fronts you cant white wash all occurrences away with one other new found true fact and that was this journalists approach it wasnt just reporting it was nailing a flag in and making a claim. (Just my view,trying to look at it both ways so to speak).
The answer to finding these terrorists might be easier than they think, after all Muslims believe there is a magic man in the sky and anyone who believes that is a bit daft regardless. We all know there is no Allah and Mohammed was not his final messenger, but they believe it so why not exploit it?
Just ask them if they are terrorists, and if they say no say "ok you swear on the honour of Allah that you are not a terrorist or have terrorist thoughts"? Swearing to god and the holy bible or whatever doesn't mean shit to most people because most people know that it's all bullshit and don't take it seriously, but I don't think a terrorist would be able to lie on the name of Allah. Say "if you're lying now you also agree that Allah is shite and Mohammad fucked animals", and there's no way they could lie even to protect their own necks, so when they come clean arrest them and it's one less terrorist on the streets.
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I've been seriously studying every aspect of terrorism and terrorists the last several years, from socialogical, cultural, psychological aspects. Terrorism is indeed a very complex issue and it's definitely not for amateurs and needs to scrutinized in a very fair and objective manner, in all its complexity and details. After all my years of, sometimes agonizing and sleepless nights, studying this very complex issue, I have come to a conclusion that the root of all terrorism, in whatever form or wherever they may be, is no other than... hold your breaths... is no other than Bob Arum himself! Yes, that infamous fellow who manipulates the world with his guile and deception, is the root cause of all terrorism... as well as the ducking of the greatest boxer in the world...
Once in awhile, get outside in fresh air, take a deep breath & with a deep sigh, let out all the things that's bottled up inside you & be free, & you'll get a glimpse of nirvana.
But then we would have no excuse to kidnap suspects off the streets of Europe,bag them, fly them to Czechoslovakia in the early evening on government planes and ask them nicely in a country without our jurisdictions and laws; while we pretend to get the paper work organized for them to be brought to a USA military jail for real questioning.
Think of all the jobs we would lose.This is called a war machine, its not called a war lets go ask Allah.
Everyone here is a "moderate" Muslim. Lets have a show of hands. Madness.
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Few days back, our police 'special action force' team went into a covert operation deep inside a muslim territory in the middle of the night to get a wanted international terrorist. They got him but on the way back, they were ambushed and in 10hrs fight, most of them were, over 40 of them, were killed... What's odd is that here in the Philippines, they are not abused, but on the contrary, they are the ones acts as if they're the boss wherever they are. Most pinoys are kinda afraid of them coz they are known for their hot-headedness, easily provoked...
Once in awhile, get outside in fresh air, take a deep breath & with a deep sigh, let out all the things that's bottled up inside you & be free, & you'll get a glimpse of nirvana.
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