Muslims go Crazy during anti-islamic movie in Sweden

[El Kabong]

As much as I try to always maintain mutual respect in this world, I will not go so far as to say that there should be LAWS requiring respect. There should be no law against "hurting one's feelings". I actually am an enemy of hurting peoples' feelings or people hurting mine, but as much as I detest it, I will not go so far as to ever try to legislate something against it.

I believe we are free to hurt peoples' feelings. We should not do it, but we should be free to do it if we want. That is why I am totally against political correctness. Absolute bullshit.

(Im not saying Lyle said anything, my post is just next in this thread)

Pretty much

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Edition / Manuscript Passage on execution
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b) Passage on punishment in afterlife
(b Gittin 57a) Passage on disciples
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b)
Herzog 1 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus son of Pandera
Herzog 2 Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Vatican 130 he went and brought up Jesus the Nazarene
Vatican 140 he went and brought up the imposter of Jesus
Munich 95 on the eve of Passover they hanged [name erased] he went and brought up Jesus [text erased]
Firenze II.1.8–9 on Sabbath even and the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus ben Stada Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Karlsruhe 2 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus the Nazarene Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Barco on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] [not legible] had five disciples
Soncino on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] he went and brought up [name missing]
Vilna [whole passage deleted by censor] he went and brought up the sinners of Israel [whole passage deleted by censor]

[walrus]

Edition / Manuscript Passage on execution
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b) Passage on punishment in afterlife
(b Gittin 57a) Passage on disciples
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b)
Herzog 1 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus son of Pandera
Herzog 2 Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Vatican 130 he went and brought up Jesus the Nazarene
Vatican 140 he went and brought up the imposter of Jesus
Munich 95 on the eve of Passover they hanged [name erased] he went and brought up Jesus [text erased]
Firenze II.1.8–9 on Sabbath even and the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus ben Stada Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Karlsruhe 2 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus the Nazarene Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Barco on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] [not legible] had five disciples
Soncino on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] he went and brought up [name missing]
Vilna [whole passage deleted by censor] he went and brought up the sinners of Israel [whole passage deleted by censor]

I don't get it Brock, are you saying I'm wrong. Do I need to post official Roman accounts of there dealings with Jesus or the writings of Josephus. No matter how you slice it Jesus existed. Are you saying he didn't, I'm just trying to determine where you are coming from, your personal belief.

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I'm only referring to the Christ of the gospels and the historical evidence that proves his existence.

Interestingly, there was a Jewish rabbi who passed away in 1984 who had a large following. Many Jews felt he may be messianic. I just learned of this and am currently reading up on the figure.

it ws 1994 Menachim Scneerson of the Lubavitcher Movement. I saw the train of the funeral cars all the highwas in NJ were shut down for hours, tens of thousands of Jews followed him to the Jewish Cemetery and every June they are still waiting for him to get out of the grave and resurrect.

[brocktonblockbust]

Edition / Manuscript Passage on execution
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b) Passage on punishment in afterlife
(b Gittin 57a) Passage on disciples
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b)
Herzog 1 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus son of Pandera
Herzog 2 Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Vatican 130 he went and brought up Jesus the Nazarene
Vatican 140 he went and brought up the imposter of Jesus
Munich 95 on the eve of Passover they hanged [name erased] he went and brought up Jesus [text erased]
Firenze II.1.8–9 on Sabbath even and the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus ben Stada Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Karlsruhe 2 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus the Nazarene Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Barco on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] [not legible] had five disciples
Soncino on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] he went and brought up [name missing]
Vilna [whole passage deleted by censor] he went and brought up the sinners of Israel [whole passage deleted by censor]

I don't get it Brock, are you saying I'm wrong. Do I need to post official Roman accounts of there dealings with Jesus or the writings of Josephus. No matter how you slice it Jesus existed. Are you saying he didn't, I'm just trying to determine where you are coming from, your personal belief.

1st of all Walrus there is no right or wrong, so no I would never say you were wrong.

2nd of all I believe there was more than 1 man named yeshua who went doing charismatic/political/miraculous stuff at that same time.

3rd of all I believe the Jesus of the Gospel is an amalgamation of the 2/3 Yeshuas, the things attributable to the 1 Jesus of the Gospels were really performed by several Yeshuas, and it all morphed into one historical person. I believe the Yeshua of the Gospel existed in duplicate or even triplicate.

[El Kabong]

How did we get on Christians during a thread about Islam?

Always people with the "Did Jesus exist"/"Jesus didn't even exist" stuff.....well if we're asking/proclaiming that then how's about: Moses? Muhammad? Siddhārtha Gautama? Zoroaster?

Why are the questions aimed at Christianity ONLY aimed at Christianity? And believe me, in the United States they are ONLY asked of Christianity.

and just to open a different can of worms...

[walrus]

Edition / Manuscript Passage on execution
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b) Passage on punishment in afterlife
(b Gittin 57a) Passage on disciples
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b)
Herzog 1 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus son of Pandera
Herzog 2 Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Vatican 130 he went and brought up Jesus the Nazarene
Vatican 140 he went and brought up the imposter of Jesus
Munich 95 on the eve of Passover they hanged [name erased] he went and brought up Jesus [text erased]
Firenze II.1.8–9 on Sabbath even and the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus ben Stada Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Karlsruhe 2 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus the Nazarene Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Barco on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] [not legible] had five disciples
Soncino on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] he went and brought up [name missing]
Vilna [whole passage deleted by censor] he went and brought up the sinners of Israel [whole passage deleted by censor]

I don't get it Brock, are you saying I'm wrong. Do I need to post official Roman accounts of there dealings with Jesus or the writings of Josephus. No matter how you slice it Jesus existed. Are you saying he didn't, I'm just trying to determine where you are coming from, your personal belief.

1st of all Walrus there is no right or wrong, so no I would never say you were wrong.

2nd of all I believe there was more than 1 man named yeshua who went doing charismatic/political/miraculous stuff at that same time.

3rd of all I believe the Jesus of the Gospel is an amalgamation of the 2/3 Yeshuas, the things attributable to the 1 Jesus of the Gospels were really performed by several Yeshuas, and it all morphed into one historical person. I believe the Yeshua of the Gospel existed in duplicate or even triplicate.

Well, in this case I can say with one hundred percent accuracy that you are wrong, we do both share a common belief in miles so I guess we remain friends.

[brocktonblockbust]

Edition / Manuscript Passage on execution
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b) Passage on punishment in afterlife
(b Gittin 57a) Passage on disciples
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b)
Herzog 1 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus son of Pandera
Herzog 2 Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Vatican 130 he went and brought up Jesus the Nazarene
Vatican 140 he went and brought up the imposter of Jesus
Munich 95 on the eve of Passover they hanged [name erased] he went and brought up Jesus [text erased]
Firenze II.1.8–9 on Sabbath even and the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus ben Stada Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Karlsruhe 2 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus the Nazarene Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Barco on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] [not legible] had five disciples
Soncino on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] he went and brought up [name missing]
Vilna [whole passage deleted by censor] he went and brought up the sinners of Israel [whole passage deleted by censor]

I don't get it Brock, are you saying I'm wrong. Do I need to post official Roman accounts of there dealings with Jesus or the writings of Josephus. No matter how you slice it Jesus existed. Are you saying he didn't, I'm just trying to determine where you are coming from, your personal belief.

1st of all Walrus there is no right or wrong, so no I would never say you were wrong.

2nd of all I believe there was more than 1 man named yeshua who went doing charismatic/political/miraculous stuff at that same time.

3rd of all I believe the Jesus of the Gospel is an amalgamation of the 2/3 Yeshuas, the things attributable to the 1 Jesus of the Gospels were really performed by several Yeshuas, and it all morphed into one historical person. I believe the Yeshua of the Gospel existed in duplicate or even triplicate.

Well, in this case I can say with one hundred percent accuracy that you are wrong, we do both share a common belief in miles so I guess we remain friends.

why would this even effect our friendship? You can believe anything you want. We are all free

[walrus]

Edition / Manuscript Passage on execution
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b) Passage on punishment in afterlife
(b Gittin 57a) Passage on disciples
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b)
Herzog 1 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus son of Pandera
Herzog 2 Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Vatican 130 he went and brought up Jesus the Nazarene
Vatican 140 he went and brought up the imposter of Jesus
Munich 95 on the eve of Passover they hanged [name erased] he went and brought up Jesus [text erased]
Firenze II.1.8–9 on Sabbath even and the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus ben Stada Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Karlsruhe 2 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus the Nazarene Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Barco on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] [not legible] had five disciples
Soncino on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] he went and brought up [name missing]
Vilna [whole passage deleted by censor] he went and brought up the sinners of Israel [whole passage deleted by censor]

I don't get it Brock, are you saying I'm wrong. Do I need to post official Roman accounts of there dealings with Jesus or the writings of Josephus. No matter how you slice it Jesus existed. Are you saying he didn't, I'm just trying to determine where you are coming from, your personal belief.

1st of all Walrus there is no right or wrong, so no I would never say you were wrong.

2nd of all I believe there was more than 1 man named yeshua who went doing charismatic/political/miraculous stuff at that same time.

3rd of all I believe the Jesus of the Gospel is an amalgamation of the 2/3 Yeshuas, the things attributable to the 1 Jesus of the Gospels were really performed by several Yeshuas, and it all morphed into one historical person. I believe the Yeshua of the Gospel existed in duplicate or even triplicate.

Well, in this case I can say with one hundred percent accuracy that you are wrong, we do both share a common belief in miles so I guess we remain friends.

why would this even effect our friendship? You can believe anything you want. We are all free

Actually, I'm starting to doubt the existence of Miles.

[brocktonblockbust]

Edition / Manuscript Passage on execution
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b) Passage on punishment in afterlife
(b Gittin 57a) Passage on disciples
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b)
Herzog 1 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus son of Pandera
Herzog 2 Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Vatican 130 he went and brought up Jesus the Nazarene
Vatican 140 he went and brought up the imposter of Jesus
Munich 95 on the eve of Passover they hanged [name erased] he went and brought up Jesus [text erased]
Firenze II.1.8–9 on Sabbath even and the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus ben Stada Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Karlsruhe 2 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus the Nazarene Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Barco on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] [not legible] had five disciples
Soncino on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] he went and brought up [name missing]
Vilna [whole passage deleted by censor] he went and brought up the sinners of Israel [whole passage deleted by censor]

I don't get it Brock, are you saying I'm wrong. Do I need to post official Roman accounts of there dealings with Jesus or the writings of Josephus. No matter how you slice it Jesus existed. Are you saying he didn't, I'm just trying to determine where you are coming from, your personal belief.

1st of all Walrus there is no right or wrong, so no I would never say you were wrong.

2nd of all I believe there was more than 1 man named yeshua who went doing charismatic/political/miraculous stuff at that same time.

3rd of all I believe the Jesus of the Gospel is an amalgamation of the 2/3 Yeshuas, the things attributable to the 1 Jesus of the Gospels were really performed by several Yeshuas, and it all morphed into one historical person. I believe the Yeshua of the Gospel existed in duplicate or even triplicate.

Well, in this case I can say with one hundred percent accuracy that you are wrong, we do both share a common belief in miles so I guess we remain friends.

why would this even effect our friendship? You can believe anything you want. We are all free

Actually, I'm starting to doubt the existence of Miles.

I went thru a 4 month period back in 2012 where I believed Greenbeanz and Miles were the same poster, it freaked me out. I still wonder about that---could you imagine that??

[Andre]

It is pretty basic. Kindness is weakness. It will be met with further belligerence and aggression for as long as you keep turning the other cheek.
Jesus was full of shit; turning the other cheek will only get you slapped silly. Angry Anderson was correct; you fight violence with violence.

You know mate,something back in those days; if a slave owner didnt like what a slave was up to he could slap him to bring him into line. If anyone slapped anyone on both sides of the face it was a challenge to fight to the death on equal terms (you were then free to fight). Addressing the slaves to turn the other cheek, could be different to addressing others to turn it regarding the more popular context.

[Andre]

Edition / Manuscript Passage on execution
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b) Passage on punishment in afterlife
(b Gittin 57a) Passage on disciples
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b)
Herzog 1 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus son of Pandera
Herzog 2 Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Vatican 130 he went and brought up Jesus the Nazarene
Vatican 140 he went and brought up the imposter of Jesus
Munich 95 on the eve of Passover they hanged [name erased] he went and brought up Jesus [text erased]
Firenze II.1.8–9 on Sabbath even and the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus ben Stada Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Karlsruhe 2 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus the Nazarene Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Barco on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] [not legible] had five disciples
Soncino on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] he went and brought up [name missing]
Vilna [whole passage deleted by censor] he went and brought up the sinners of Israel [whole passage deleted by censor]

I don't get it Brock, are you saying I'm wrong. Do I need to post official Roman accounts of there dealings with Jesus or the writings of Josephus. No matter how you slice it Jesus existed. Are you saying he didn't, I'm just trying to determine where you are coming from, your personal belief.

Cheers mate. I would thanks. Considering the Romans documented everything; I would love to see their documents on Yeshuas execution.

[walrus]

Edition / Manuscript Passage on execution
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b) Passage on punishment in afterlife
(b Gittin 57a) Passage on disciples
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b)
Herzog 1 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus son of Pandera
Herzog 2 Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Vatican 130 he went and brought up Jesus the Nazarene
Vatican 140 he went and brought up the imposter of Jesus
Munich 95 on the eve of Passover they hanged [name erased] he went and brought up Jesus [text erased]
Firenze II.1.8–9 on Sabbath even and the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus ben Stada Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Karlsruhe 2 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus the Nazarene Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Barco on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] [not legible] had five disciples
Soncino on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] he went and brought up [name missing]
Vilna [whole passage deleted by censor] he went and brought up the sinners of Israel [whole passage deleted by censor]

I don't get it Brock, are you saying I'm wrong. Do I need to post official Roman accounts of there dealings with Jesus or the writings of Josephus. No matter how you slice it Jesus existed. Are you saying he didn't, I'm just trying to determine where you are coming from, your personal belief.

Cheers mate. I would thanks. Considering the Romans documented everything; I would love to see their documents on Yeshuas execution.

Cheers to you as well. As a start look up Tacitust on Christ.

[walrus]

@Andre you can also check out Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Tallus, Phlegon, Mara Bar Serapion and Josephus Ben Mattathias.

[El Kabong]

Pliny the Younger is interesting reading