JT vs BHOP

[greynotsoold]

James Toney was trained by Bill Miller. Bill Miller used Ezzard Charles as his teaching tool; Toney was brought along worshipping at the altar of Ezzard.
At 160 Toney and Hopkins were at their physical peaks. Toney combined his smarts and physicality best in the Hembrick fights and at cruiser (I don't think he tried to beat Thadzi). Hopkins peaked before Trinidad.
I think Toney is the better fighter by far. Best for best he beats Hopkins every time.

[SugarBoxing]

James Toney was trained by Bill Miller. Bill Miller used Ezzard Charles as his teaching tool; Toney was brought along worshipping at the altar of Ezzard.
At 160 Toney and Hopkins were at their physical peaks. Toney combined his smarts and physicality best in the Hembrick fights and at cruiser (I don't think he tried to beat Thadzi). Hopkins peaked before Trinidad.
I think Toney is the better fighter by far. Best for best he beats Hopkins every time.

I think if Toney was forced to come forward like Roy Jones forced him to, there is no way he would beat Hopkins. However, if Hopkins would come forward, then JT should have beaten him.

[corvette]

James Toney was trained by Bill Miller. Bill Miller used Ezzard Charles as his teaching tool; Toney was brought along worshipping at the altar of Ezzard.
At 160 Toney and Hopkins were at their physical peaks. Toney combined his smarts and physicality best in the Hembrick fights and at cruiser (I don't think he tried to beat Thadzi). Hopkins peaked before Trinidad.
I think Toney is the better fighter by far. Best for best he beats Hopkins every time.

I think if Toney was forced to come forward like Roy Jones forced him to, there is no way he would beat Hopkins. However, if Hopkins would come forward, then JT should have beaten him.

What's with this no way he beats Hopkins nonsense.

B-Hop ain't shit compared to James Toney.

[corvette]

James Toney was trained by Bill Miller. Bill Miller used Ezzard Charles as his teaching tool; Toney was brought along worshipping at the altar of Ezzard.
At 160 Toney and Hopkins were at their physical peaks. Toney combined his smarts and physicality best in the Hembrick fights and at cruiser (I don't think he tried to beat Thadzi). Hopkins peaked before Trinidad.
I think Toney is the better fighter by far. Best for best he beats Hopkins every time.

Yep.....

[IamInuit]

In their primes at similar weights who do you think would win? I am a big fan of both but lean toward Toney one minute and then change my mind.

I never had that problem. I never liked either of them but started respecting Hop after his dismantling of Tito and the rest is history. Tony was never that good. Showed some nice highlight reel segments but he was a dud at middleweight. If legacy was mouth he'd be an ATG. Hopkins takes him apart. Tiberi schooled him and so did Nunn until he fell asleep after having his way with him for almost 11 rounds. Sure he managed a draw against Mike and then a pts win against a declining version but he just scraped by Reggie Johnson previously.

Flashes of brilliance but a total lack of discipline and chalk full of unwarranted hubris. The polar opposite of Hopkins. Add to that Hops ring generalship and technical understanding of his craft and what we have here is a thrashing.

[Master]

In their primes at similar weights who do you think would win? I am a big fan of both but lean toward Toney one minute and then change my mind.

I never had that problem. I never liked either of them but started respecting Hop after his dismantling of Tito and the rest is history. Tony was never that good. Showed some nice highlight reel segments but he was a dud at middleweight. If legacy was mouth he'd be an ATG. Hopkins takes him apart. Tiberi schooled him and so did Nunn until he fell asleep after having his way with him for almost 11 rounds. Sure he managed a draw against Mike and then a pts win against a declining version but he just scraped by Reggie Johnson previously.

Flashes of brilliance but a total lack of discipline and chalk full of unwarranted hubris. The polar opposite of Hopkins. Add to that Hops ring generalship and technical understanding of his craft and what we have here is a thrashing.

That is harsh on Toney he was very skilled for age. Naturally brilliant and he beat some good fighters and produced great performances in quick succession old school. What is not to love?

[IamInuit]

In their primes at similar weights who do you think would win? I am a big fan of both but lean toward Toney one minute and then change my mind.

I never had that problem. I never liked either of them but started respecting Hop after his dismantling of Tito and the rest is history. Tony was never that good. Showed some nice highlight reel segments but he was a dud at middleweight. If legacy was mouth he'd be an ATG. Hopkins takes him apart. Tiberi schooled him and so did Nunn until he fell asleep after having his way with him for almost 11 rounds. Sure he managed a draw against Mike and then a pts win against a declining version but he just scraped by Reggie Johnson previously.

Flashes of brilliance but a total lack of discipline and chalk full of unwarranted hubris. The polar opposite of Hopkins. Add to that Hops ring generalship and technical understanding of his craft and what we have here is a thrashing.

That is harsh on Toney he was very skilled for age. Naturally brilliant and he beat some good fighters and produced great performances in quick succession old school. What is not to love?

Not really harsh at all. There is little doubt that the man had talent. He just never did much with it and specifically at middleweight yet here he is being matched against perhaps one of the top 3 to 5 that ever lived at 160. Hypotheticals are cool and all but Toney never did much at middle and dare I say looked regular.

[Master]

In their primes at similar weights who do you think would win? I am a big fan of both but lean toward Toney one minute and then change my mind.

I never had that problem. I never liked either of them but started respecting Hop after his dismantling of Tito and the rest is history. Tony was never that good. Showed some nice highlight reel segments but he was a dud at middleweight. If legacy was mouth he'd be an ATG. Hopkins takes him apart. Tiberi schooled him and so did Nunn until he fell asleep after having his way with him for almost 11 rounds. Sure he managed a draw against Mike and then a pts win against a declining version but he just scraped by Reggie Johnson previously.

Flashes of brilliance but a total lack of discipline and chalk full of unwarranted hubris. The polar opposite of Hopkins. Add to that Hops ring generalship and technical understanding of his craft and what we have here is a thrashing.

That is harsh on Toney he was very skilled for age. Naturally brilliant and he beat some good fighters and produced great performances in quick succession old school. What is not to love?

Not really harsh at all. There is little doubt that the man had talent. He just never did much with it and specifically at middleweight yet here he is being matched against perhaps one of the top 3 to 5 that ever lived at 160. Hypotheticals are cool and all but Toney never did much at middle and dare I say looked regular.

He was disputed middleweight and supermiddleweight champion and for 2-3 year period he was brilliant. He did have a couple of bad performances but overall he was a throwback to the great boxers with his style and fighting frequently.