Over-Rated(Sergio Mora)

[donnydarkoIRL]

Whilst I admire your loyalty and subsequent arguemnet, I have just on counter question:
Why would he say he would like to fight Taylor and then turn down the fight when offered?

He's Talking a good game and not following up on it...The idea of the Contender was to elevate the status and publicism of a fighter. It was then the responsability of the fighter to use his status to the best of his ability. Do you think Mora used his boost well?
I feel the first thing he should have done after the Contender is fight some twelve rounders....It's his managers choice whether or not to do that.....
So he's confident enough to drop Kelly Pavlik's name but not confident enough to fight a twelve rounder

[Big_Deuce]

First off welcome to the board...

Anyone for giving you bad reps for having your own opinion is just a fool. Your entitled to it, and share it with everyone here. However, i would have to disagree with you. At the time JT vs Mora was being talked about, sergio mora went on record as to saying his speed could beat taylor. And when it fell through Sergio mora did not mention that he was not ready. His big hang up was the location of the fight, meaning if the fight was anywhere else but JT's hometown he would of went through with it.

Sergio mora on more than one occasion, wether it be through interview or during FNF commentary has said he was ready for the big names and was ready to be at the top of his division. This was not Recent either, this was around the same time as the JT possible fight.

Now, its understandable if Sergio mora was just trying to sell himself. Its ok. But no one should be surprised when fans, or other fighters call him on it. Thats kinda whats going on now. He said he could do it, he's not doing it (actually the opposite) and people are just pulling his card.

No surprise right?

[Big_Deuce]

He's Talking a good game and not following up on it...The idea of the Contender was to elevate the status and publicism of a fighter. It was then the responsability of the fighter to use his status to the best of his ability. Do you think Mora used his boost well?

Right on the money donny.
Im not a huge fan of manfredo, but after the contender he took some 12 rounders and went for big fights. Calz and Lacy, and he was the runner up to sergio. so when you look at the two side by side, the person who lost the contender did more alot more with it, than the person who is supposed to be THE CONTENDER.
hard to give credit to sergio when the people he "beat" are doing more than him.

[SigmaMu]

If anyone was stupid enough to believe Mora was anywhere near ready for a title shot then he or she knows nothing about the sport.

He had an 11 and 0 record before coming onto the show.

Today, he still does not have the experience to beat any of the top level fighters. Lacks pop too. He could be a decent and entertaining fighter. Does not have a soft chin either, just lacks experience.

Who ever managed his career after the show, insert Jeff Wald's name here, dropped the ball. Gomez career was handled much better but, they are dropping the ball by trying to feed Gomez to Cotto. Alfonso Gomez is nowhere near ready for Cotto and if and when they meet, Cotto will mop Gomez and we will all say he was not ready and lacked the experience and Gomez was not all that to begin with.

Sergio's mistake was that he did not take the proper steps. If this was Arum, he would have move Mora along nicely like he has done with other prospects. Arum is the man. Uncle Bob rules.

In closing, Mora did not deserve a title shot against Taylor or anyone else for that matter. If you were stupid enough to believe Sergio was going to fight Taylor, then guess what? You were stupid enough to believe it and that makes you stupid. lol

[SigmaMu]

Right on the money donny.
Im not a huge fan of manfredo, but after the contender he took some 12 rounders and went for big fights. Calz and Lacy, and he was the runner up to sergio. so when you look at the two side by side, the person who lost the contender did more alot more with it, than the person who is supposed to be THE CONTENDER.
hard to give credit to sergio when the people he "beat" are doing more than him.

Manfredo had 15 more fights than Mora coming into the show and Mora beat the noise out of the so called Pride. Manfredo got beat by basicly and damn near an amatuer. Mora is still better than the Pride of Providance. Manfredo was totally out classed by Calzaghe. What made people think Manfredo was anywhere near ready for someone like Calzaghe when Manfredo could not even beat little skinny Sergio Mora? LMAO!

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Manfredo had 15 more fights than Mora coming into the show and Mora beat the noise out of the so called Pride. Manfredo got beat by basicly and damn near an amatuer. Mora is still better than the Pride of Providance. Manfredo was totally out classed by Calzaghe. What made people think Manfredo was anywhere near ready for someone like Calzaghe when Manfredo could not even beat little skinny Sergio Mora? LMAO!

# 1 it was 8 fights more then Sergio... # 2 if you think in the second fight Manfredo got "the noise beaten out of him" you don't pay very close attention. And # 3 people now a days are getting title shots with 13 or 14 fights not like way back when when guys like Buddy Mcgirt had to fight What, like 40 fights or something before he got a shot?

Not a very well backed post!

[Big_Deuce]

In closing, Mora did not deserve a title shot against Taylor or anyone else for that matter. If you were stupid enough to believe Sergio was going to fight Taylor, then guess what? You were stupid enough to believe it and that makes you stupid. lol

Sorry but when your professional fighter.. And you say you CAN beat JT, whether you believe it or not, if you say it, then get the opportunity to do it, and decline...What are people supposed to think now?
Im not treating sergio mora any different than Andy Lee, or Kahn.

If andy lee got the chance to fight winky wright, and then declined due to location of the fight, i would get on his ass and stewards ass for saying he wanted him.

And if kahn got a fight with hatton i would get on his ass if he chickened out too..

If you open your mouth like your a baddass and then fold when it comes time to prove it, guess what... Your gonna get Sh!t for it. Plain and simple.
Toe'n the line w/ Eric Reagan aint doing it for me.
Fight who you said you wanted to fight. Fight who you said you were ready to fight. And if your not ready..STFU and let others get in on the action.

[SigmaMu]

# 1 it was 8 fights more then Sergio... # 2 if you think in the second fight Manfredo got "the noise beaten out of him" you don't pay very close attention. And # 3 people now a days are getting title shots with 13 or 14 fights not like way back when when guys like Buddy Mcgirt had to fight What, like 40 fights or something before he got a shot?

Not a very well backed post!

Ok, so it was 9 fights more than Mora.

Sergio still beat Peter's @ss twice.

Who the phuk is getting big title fights at 13 or 14 fights of their careers?

You are talking plastic trinkets here like the MAT, WNB or you must be talking about MMA. Who is getting shots at the WBC with 13 fights under them? I think Mora was the only one

Mora is still better than Manfredo Jr. I don't care who Manfredo fights, he still sucks.

[RP33]

Okay since I am new here, I'm sure that I am going to get blasted here, and lose what little rep points I have, but I am going to defend Sergio.


You want to compare him to Pavlik, okay, let's do that. (First, in no way am I criticizing Pavlik, I am a huge fan of Kelly's, he a local guy who's career I have been supporting for sometime now.) Go and look at who Kelly was fighting at the same stage as Sergio's career now, he was fighting the same type of guys, with the same type of records, as the guys that Sergio is fighting now. Kelly did it the smart, and right way, he slowly worked his way up in the level of competition he faced, and that is what Sergio is attempting to do as well. Remember Pavlik did not get that title shot until his 32nd fight, Sergio only has 21 fights, so cut the guy some slack, and let him grow as a fighter. He has skills, but they are skills that he is still developing.

I've actually gotten the chance to get to know Sergio, and he is a very down to earth guy. He is very respectful, and very honest. He will, and has, come right out say that he has sucked in some of his fights. Like the Ayala fight, he didn't walk out of the ring pissed off over the decision, he was pissed off at himself for fighting so poorly, and he even said so in the post fight press conference, and interviews. Trust me, he knows when he doesn't fight well, and nothing pisses him off more than that.

So all I'm trying to say is that Sergio is not the jerk that many of you think he is, and I think he should be given the chance to develop his boxing skills the right way, and not sink his career by jumping into a fight that he is not ready for.

Sergio is OLDER than Pavlik, so you can almost throw out the "look at who kelly was fighting at this stage in his career" You're missing the point i think.. Kelly earned everything he has now.. he worked his way from the BOTTOM up.. He was not overhyped.. in fact many had him losing to Miranda pre-fight.. and he was the underdog in the Taylor fight.. Kelly HAD to fight the guys he fought to work his way up to get the big fights.. Sergio won the Contender.. We all have seen what the contender has done for fighters as far as marketability goes, and as far as title shots.. Sergio won the Contender, and he talks a lot of smack, and then runs from the competition... Sergio is ranked top 15 as a middleweight and he hasn't done anything to earn that.. that is why he is "over-rated"..

As far as the guys he is fighting at "this time in his career".. Sergio is fighting NOBODIES (when he could be fighting champions or higher caliber fighters) and what makes it WORSE is that he fought ONCE in 2007 and looked COMPLETELY TERRIBLE and should've lost that fight.. For someone who relies on his speed and reflexes to win fights, he is not getting any younger.. Throw out the "this time in his career" and look at his age, and the style of fighter he is.. Not that he is old, at 27, but he is not getting any younger.. He obviously does not have KO power (or even close) so he needs to make his run when he will be able to.. which was right after the Contender, up until the end of last year.. and now he actually has to fight some people to be recognized considering he waited so long after the Contender.

Sorry man, he is cocky and over-rated.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Ok, so it was 9 fights more than Mora.

Sergio still beat Peter's @ss twice.

Who the phuk is getting big title fights at 13 or 14 fights of their careers?

You are talking plastic trinkets here like the MAT, WNB or you must be talking about MMA. Who is getting shots at the WBC with 13 fights under them? I think Mora was the only one

Mora is still better than Manfredo Jr. I don't care who Manfredo fights, he still sucks.

Look at any of the smaller weightclasses. Guys are defending titles with 14 fights under their belt... And your welcome to your oppinion nomatter how saddly backed it may be.

Your correct he won the frst fight and got a gift(hometown) decision on the second.

Did he even have a shot against Calzaghe, no. Did he deserv the fight? no. But Mora talks shit. Talks shit and then backs off like a bully once he got called out. Look, say what you want about Manfredo but remember he went to wales... As I remember it was Mora who was crying like a bitch he didn't want to fight in JTs backyard. At least Manfredo have the set to go over there and give it a shot even though we all knew he was badly outgunned from the getgo.

Go ahead, now and checkout boxrec...

Here are a few guys that fought for or won titles in just a few fights

Nubuo Nashiro (WBA) 9 fights
Silence Mabusa (IBO) 11 fights
Ulisis Solis (WBO) 17 fights
Wladimir Sidorenko (WBA) 15 fights
Vic (IBF) 20 fights
Nonito Donair (IBF) 18 fights

[RP33]

Ok, so it was 9 fights more than Mora.

Sergio still beat Peter's @ss twice.

Who the phuk is getting big title fights at 13 or 14 fights of their careers?

You are talking plastic trinkets here like the MAT, WNB or you must be talking about MMA. Who is getting shots at the WBC with 13 fights under them? I think Mora was the only one

Mora is still better than Manfredo Jr. I don't care who Manfredo fights, he still sucks.

If you watched the second fight Danny, then you're just being a hater right now.. Manfredo smoked Mora in the second fight, it should've been a UD.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

If you watched the second fight Danny, then you're just being a hater right now.. Manfredo smoked Mora in the second fight, it should've been a UD.

Guys all over Mora's nuts... Let him think what he wants

[SigmaMu]

If you watched the second fight Danny, then you're just being a hater right now.. Manfredo smoked Mora in the second fight, it should've been a UD.

Smoked? You must be smoking

Did he knock Sergio out? No! Did he ever hurt Sergio? No! Unless you count the vicious head butts, there was nothing else there. Peter should have destroyed Mora and he did not or could not. Niether fighter did enough but Manfredo's silly claims that Sergio never hit him are just laughable.

And to claim that should have been a UD is just silly as well. A draw maybe but no way did ManFraudo win every round. Manfredo was running in the later stages of the fight and holding Sergio in the final 15 seconds of the final round. Peter blew it by playing games. He should have been on Sergio from begining to end.

[RP33]

Smoked? You must be smoking

Did he knock Sergio out? No! Did he ever hurt Sergio? No! Unless you count the vicious head butts, there was nothing else there. Peter should have destroyed Mora and he did not or could not. Niether fighter did enough but Manfredo's silly claims that Sergio never hit him are just laughable.

And to claim that should have been a UD is just silly as well. A draw maybe but no way did ManFraudo win every round. Manfredo was running in the later stages of the fight and holding Sergio in the final 15 seconds of the final round. Peter blew it by playing games. He should have been on Sergio from begining to end.

why should he have "destroyed" him? You call him "Manfraudo" and then say he should've destroyed him.. You need to re-read your posts before you post them.. you're not realizing how much you're hating on Manfredo right now.. Anyone who knows anything about boxing knows that Manfredo won that fight, i'm not even going to argue that. Believe me, i'm not defending Manfredo, i'm just telling you how it is.. I'm not losing sleep over the decision.. Mora got beat man, end of story.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Look at any of the smaller weightclasses. Guys are defending titles with 14 fights under their belt... And your welcome to your oppinion nomatter how saddly backed it may be.

Your correct he won the frst fight and got a gift(hometown) decision on the second.

Did he even have a shot against Calzaghe, no. Did he deserv the fight? no. But Mora talks shit. Talks shit and then backs off like a bully once he got called out. Look, say what you want about Manfredo but remember he went to wales... As I remember it was Mora who was crying like a bitch he didn't want to fight in JTs backyard. At least Manfredo have the set to go over there and give it a shot even though we all knew he was badly outgunned from the getgo.

Go ahead, now and checkout boxrec...

Here are a few guys that fought for or won titles in just a few fights

Nubuo Nashiro (WBA) 9 fights
Silence Mabusa (IBO) 11 fights
Ulisis Solis (WBO) 17 fights
Wladimir Sidorenko (WBA) 15 fights
Vic (IBF) 20 fights
Nonito Donair (IBF) 18 fights

Nuthin on this, huh?