the only thing that is disgrace are the critics of Wladimir Klitschko

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RONNIE - YOU MAYBE RUUSSKI, YES.

I ILL MITCH FROM FORMER SOVIET KAZAKHSTAN. YOU SPEAK FUN AT PEOPLE IF THINK WLAD IS NEXT ALI. BIG WLAD HAVE NO HEART OR BALLS BECOS FROM UKRAINE. ALL UKRAINE BOXERS FIGHT LIKE GYPSY WOMENS BUT CANNOT CARRY GOAT FAR AS.

ALI GOOD FIGHTER, I SEE PCTSHURS SHOW HIM TRAINING BY CARRY GOAT FOR MANY MILE. THIS WHY OLYMPICS WIN BY HIM. WLAD WIN OLYMPICS BECAUSE KAZAKH FIGHTER DISQUALIFY BY UZBEK REFEREE. UZBEK CAUSE MANY PROBLEM FOR ME KAZAKH (UZBEK WOMENS HAVE MANY HAIR ON FACES BUT LITTLE ON PRVATES) MANY UZBEK GYPSY COME TO KAZAKH BUT MAKE PROBLEM BECAUSE TELL BAD FORTUNES AND FIGHT WITH CHECHENS

I SEE UZBEK GYPSY AND GIVE BEATING OF LIFE. TAKE TO BRIDGE AND DROP INTO WET. NOW HIDE IN KAZAKH AND HAVE LEAVE TO HIDE FROM POLITS

I SEE RONNIE TALK LIKE RUUSSKI, YES? YOU HAVE MAYBE BEEN KAZAKH? I AFGHANISTAN LONG TIME PAST BUT NOT RUUSSKI. IS BETTER AFGHAN BECAUSE CAN KILL BUT NOT ALLOWED IN MOCKBA

I WISH LEAVE KAZAKH TO BEGIN JOB AS SKATEBOARD RAPPER IN MIAMI. NO OTHER SKATEBOARD RAPPER THERE SO MITCH WILL TEECH YANKEES LESSEON. WILL BE BAD DAY FOR YANKEES LIKE AFGHANS. WHEN IN MIAMI MITCH DIE HAIR BLOND AND SHOUT AMERIKAN SWEARING - THIS WAY TO BE FAMOUS RAPPER. I BORN SAME YEAR EMINEM, I CARRY GOATS 8 MILE SO WE MUCH COMMON AND MITCH MUST BE FAMOUS AMERIKA. ME STRIP AK-47 TWO MINUTE BLINDFOLD AND NO BELIVE SLIM SHADY DO THAT.

RONNIE (and I know that's who you are) - VISIT ILL MITCH WEBSITE

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...riendid=224746

BUT MITCH TELL YOU SECRET - I TELL AMERIKAN POLICE I RUUSSKI REFUGEE CHECHNYA TO GET VISA.


YOU SAY ME THINK YOU MY MUSIC

[Kirkland Laing]

It was alleged but never substantiated

I didn't start this thread but it's guys like this dude who make it even MORE difficult for me to explain a FAN'S point of view when I have to disagree with the crazies....it's great you like Wlad too but put it in perspective.

What we know without a doubt is that he didn't get back in the ring with him and instead got his giant-headed brother Vitali to fight him instead. If you're supposedly a champion and you get humiliatingly knocked out in a round by a guy brought in to be another W on your record and you don't get back in the ring with him then that makes you look like a fraud who's suddenly discovered you have a crap chin. And the way the guy has fought since then confirms it.

[El Kabong]

What we know without a doubt is that he didn't get back in the ring with him and instead got his giant-headed brother Vitali to fight him instead. If you're supposedly a champion and you get humiliatingly knocked out in a round by a guy brought in to be another W on your record and you don't get back in the ring with him then that makes you look like a fraud who's suddenly discovered you have a crap chin. And the way the guy has fought since then confirms it.

That is your opinion....Wlad would have fought Sanders again but alot had to be changed about the way Wladimir fights.

Freak losses like that usually happen to boxers and sometimes they don't get rematched it's just the way things are.

Here is the way things happened:

Sanders wanted big money and he had already beaten Wlad...Vitali was the man on top then, he just went toe to toe with Lewis and fought his ass off. Sanders let the WBO belt go after beating Wlad and he went for the money and the title vacated by Lennox Lewis because he was an out of shape power puncher with not many years left....he had one trick, it worked one time. Sanders didn't want the rematch at that time, he wanted the money....so in the mean time Wlad rebuilt his career and Sanders basically retired after fighting Vitali.

Wlad lost to Brewster, Sanders took a 2 year layoff and Wlad came back to win titles again and Sanders also came back and then got KO'd and now he's fucked everything up.

The pieces for a rematch never fell into place....Wlad may still fight Corrie though, you never know

[Spicoli]

in that case prime holyfield was ko by bowe and month bowe was battered by golata

lamon brewster blew out golata in just 40second
old holyfield got a draw against lewis, remmeber!

sanders ko levi billup in 1 round in 1993, this is when lennox barely beat billups on point in 1992, or how about sanders ko bert cooper in just few round and bert cooper in 1989 ko orlin norris and then in 1990 orlin norris beat prime oliver mcall and also let not forget that in 1992 a washed up mcall ko lewis in less than 3minute and 20 second

how bad does that make prime lennox lewis.

an not picking on holyfield or lewis but both have been ko clean in their prime, wladimir has never been ko clean and never lost in his prime since wladimir is just reaching his prime

Man,Thats not just splitting hairs But thats taking a hachet to the whole damn head of hair

Lewis barley beat Billups ? What fight were you watching/With respect to a could have been good Cooper,He was on and off like a light switch/Coopers "KO" over Orlin norris was after a freak twisted knee injury/Etc.

Look,Bottom line....Wlad has all the tools to compete in any era IMO but he is not the best heavyweight ever simply because 1+1=2 2+2=4 4+4=8 Etc. Boxing Is just not that simplistic and Basic.Most Great fighters don't take there tomorrows for granted in hopes of looking better next time out.

[Kirkland Laing]

That is your opinion....Wlad would have fought Sanders again but alot had to be changed about the way Wladimir fights.

Freak losses like that usually happen to boxers and sometimes they don't get rematched it's just the way things are.

Here is the way things happened:

Sanders wanted big money and he had already beaten Wlad...Vitali was the man on top then, he just went toe to toe with Lewis and fought his ass off. Sanders let the WBO belt go after beating Wlad and he went for the money and the title vacated by Lennox Lewis because he was an out of shape power puncher with not many years left....he had one trick, it worked one time. Sanders didn't want the rematch at that time, he wanted the money....so in the mean time Wlad rebuilt his career and Sanders basically retired after fighting Vitali.

Wlad lost to Brewster, Sanders took a 2 year layoff and Wlad came back to win titles again and Sanders also came back and then got KO'd and now he's fucked everything up.

The pieces for a rematch never fell into place....Wlad may still fight Corrie though, you never know

"A lot had to be changed" is just a bs excuse. All that's changed since he fought Sanders is that he's gunshy. And the rest of the post is just more excuses. If you claim to be any sort of champion and you get humiliated by a guy who's nothing special inside a round and then you won't get back in the ring with him then you're no champion.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

This thread reads like a fairy tail...

[El Kabong]

"A lot had to be changed" is just a bs excuse. All that's changed since he fought Sanders is that he's gunshy. And the rest of the post is just more excuses. If you claim to be any sort of champion and you get humiliated by a guy who's nothing special inside a round and then you won't get back in the ring with him then you're no champion.

Did you not fucking read my post? I said Sanders didn't want to fight Wlad either. Sanders is hella old now and he was old back then, the clock was ticking and he wanted to make some money and be THE champion. Lennox Lewis had retired, Vitali took out Kirk Johnson and they were #1 and #2 for the WBC title and it only made sense for THAT fight to happen and not the rematch with Wlad.

Not only are you a Klitschko hater, you'd be a horrible manager for a fighter.

Since then Sanders took time off, Wlad lost to Brewster, and Wlad got back on his game, beat Brewster and Sanders lost to someone I don't know in 2 rounds.

When during this timeline was the rematch supposed to happen?

Also if you did see the fight and I assume you did, you would see Wlad fighting in a near crouch....which is not a smart move for a tall fighter, had Wlad used his height he would have a better time blocking or avoiding those punches

[Kirkland Laing]

Excuses, excuses. Just wait till Herbie Haye hits him on the chin.

[El Kabong]

Excuses, excuses. Just wait till Herbie Haye hits him on the chin.

Who the fuck is Herbie Haye?

being 6'3 cruiserweight and exchanging right crosses with Wlad....it's not the smartest gameplan I've ever heard of but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Kirkland Laing]

Who the fuck is Herbie Haye?

being 6'3 cruiserweight and exchanging right crosses with Wlad....it's not the smartest gameplan I've ever heard of but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Your posts just get sillier and sillier. Now you've got "Vlad" and "exchanging" in the same sentence.

[El Kabong]

Your posts just get sillier and sillier. Now you've got "Vlad" and "exchanging" in the same sentence.

....and you have David Haye (a cruiserweight with no experience with a heavyweight much less THE heavyweight) apparently walking through punches from a guy who has KO'd twice as many people as Haye has set foot in the ring with!

[Kirkland Laing]

....and you have David Haye (a cruiserweight with no experience with a heavyweight much less THE heavyweight) apparently walking through punches from a guy who has KO'd twice as many people as Haye has set foot in the ring with!

The mighty Corrie Sanders ruined him. When he gets in the ring with somebody almost as big as him with the same reach who can punch he'll get knocked out. It might not be Herbie Haye who might not make it that far, but as soon as he fights somebody he can't beat just by jabbing he'll get flattened.

[El Kabong]

The mighty Corrie Sanders ruined him. When he gets in the ring with somebody almost as big as him with the same reach who can punch he'll get knocked out. It might not be Herbie Haye who might not make it that far, but as soon as he fights somebody he can't beat just by jabbing he'll get flattened.

Well I guess we'll just wait for that day to come..... ....well I am not going to hold my breath

[Kirkland Laing]

Well I guess we'll just wait for that day to come..... ....well I am not going to hold my breath

Until then we can look forward to nonstop excitement from him every time he gets in the ring.

[Galaxy]

Wlad is the best of the current crop of heavies but he ain't the best ever... he ain't even in the top 10.

Vitali/ Sanders was for the vacant Ring championship, so if I was Sanders I would have taken that fight too over a rematch with Wlad. There was never really an opportunity for a rematch with Wlad & probably never will be now. Wlad has improved a ton since his losses & has to be favored against any of the current top 10 if matched!

Sure Wlad was disappointing against Imbragimov but he got the win which is the most important thing. It's what he does from here that will matter.