the only thing that is disgrace are the critics of Wladimir Klitschko

[TruthandHonesty]

there no doubt that Wladimir is the best ever fighter and it unreal that there some people who judge his whole career by his last fight, Why don't they give compliment to wladimir for beating a undefeated world champion, or say positive thing such as
Wladimir won the hand with just 1 hand,
Wladimir made Ibragimov look less than a amateur
Wladimir has the best ever defence for a Heavyweight
Despite the lackluster performance by Wladimir, he still hold the strongest ko ratio in history for a unified Heavyweight world champion
Let not forget that Sultan Ibragimov only has 1 fight that was even and that was against Ray Austin and who gave Ray austin the worst beating of his life?
Let not forget what corrie sanders did to Wladimir Klitschko, corrie sanders had been ko by nate tubbs and Hasim rahman but he still manage to beat Wladimir when Wladimir underestimated him and got carelsss especially when Wladimir was fighting in such a way as if he was looking for a first round ko. Am not going to argue with anyone who say that Wladimir is not the same fighter that he was in 2003 since I agree with that but corrie sander has only a 70% ko ratio and I do realise that anyone in the heavyweight division can be ko by 1 punch. But Ibragimov has 83% ko ratio and he has never been beaten as a pro(never mind ko).
He also made evander holyfield look like nothing the way he beat him, I know he was old but he was also old when he got a draw against lennox lewis. Many felt holyfield won the rematch against lewis but the judges had soo much presure on them since the first fight wasn't fairly scored.
Also Holyfield had shoulder issue when he fought lewis but holyfield for the first time said just before the Ibragimov fight that his shoulder had healed since lay of after the larry donald fight. Many boxing website themselve said that holyfield look impove since the days of Lewis and holyfield fight.

many good pro Heavyweight world champion have been ko by felix savon. ieven iron chin david tua was ko in 20 second of first round by Felix Savon, but Felix savon couldn't hurt Ibragimov in the amateur.

There no doubt that Wladimir could have ko Ibragimov but Ibragimov didn't wana engage even when he was mile behind on the scorecards, Ibragimov seem like he just wanted to survive many fighter try to do the same thing against Prime Mike Tyson.
Every fighter that has gone 12 round with Wladimir was or became a world champion, no other world champion in the history of the Heavyweight division can ever make this claim

[Kirkland Laing]

Vlad is a giant bendy boy, terrified to get hit on the chin which is made out of the finest crystal. He didn't even have the balls to get back in the ring with Corrie Sanders. He would have had trouble finding work as a sparring partner in the 1970s. His last fight was a disgrace.

[TruthandHonesty]

you are a perfect example of a critic, I was looking for a example of a ciritic
thank you for your help!

[Lance Uppercut]

Despite the lackluster performance by Wladimir

Your right Truthandhonessty, that was a lackluster performance. I never really thought of it, but that did kind of suck that Wlad would not go for the knock out, even though he was dominating. Thanks for opening my eyes.

[RP33]

you are a perfect example of a critic, I was looking for a example of a ciritic
thank you for your help!

crit·ic (krĭt'ĭk)
n.
One who forms and expresses judgments of the merits, faults, value, or truth of a matter.

I think you're using the wrong word here my friend.. This site is full of boxing CRITICS.. being a 'critic' does not mean that you only point out negative things about the subject matter.. it is just analyzing the reality of a situation..


Kirkland Laing (the poster ) said it best.. "He would have had trouble finding work as a sparring partner in the 1970s. His last fight was a disgrace."


If you think that Klitschko shouldn't have KO'd Ibragimov, then you are in denial.. Even his TRAINER told him if he didn't KO him it was bad.. It wasn't because he couldn't hit him, it was because he was afraid of the southpaw's counterpunch, he said it HIMSELF in the interview.. He played it safe, and won, yes, props to him, but the fact that he knocked Ibragimov's ass into the ropes (which could've been scored a knockdown) while spending barely any effort, the fact is that the fight should've ended in a KO.. Now if it was floyd mayweather, the p4p king we're talking about, and he wins a UD, then that's his style and no one can knock him for that.. but the "undisputed" HW Champ, who is a fucking GIANT, being afraid of a counter puncher? Give me a break.. unless the guy was Mike Tyson, if you're that big you shouldn't be afraid to knock the guys lights out.. end of story.

[TruthandHonesty]

Ali is great without a doubt but he has had that many fight going the full distant and if I asked you to list all the fighter that have been the distant with him, it surely would take you some time.

First of samuel peter and Sultan Ibragimov have never been ko in their pro career and maybe no one hurt them in their kiddie day as a amateur.

And these are the only 2 fighter that have gone 12 round against wladimir and never been ko by Wladimir. It useless to mention chris byrd since he did get ko by Wladimir but let not forget that every fighter that has gone 12 round against wladimir has been world champion at one point.


Name me any fighter in the heavyweight history that can make this claim

also
Both Ibragimov and samuel peter would still be undefeated if their never fought wladimir, they even would have been undisputed by now if their never fought Wladimir

I wouldn't compare Wladimir to any fighter from the past since he too good, and even the 70's fighter would fail to find the worst heavyweight sparring partner from today era since they barely would make the cruiserweight limit.

However Wladimir could beat any fighter from the 70's since he was only 4 years old and would be small enough for the heavyweight back then, now he too big and it would be impossible for him to fight anyone from the 70's since he don't have a time machine, also critic like you would once again get the chance to pick on him for bullying little boys

You just name me the hardest puncher from any era(except wladimir) and I will prove to you that there were weak fighter that went 12-15 round against them but got ko by other fighter . But you can never say that about Wladimir

[Mar]

I had to stop and question this post when it started by saying he is the best fighter ever..(if there is even such a thing) Klitchko is getting a ton of flack and all of it is deserved. It was a horrible and boring show for most and to be happy holding your arm out on a kid's forhead and just sit there and let him swing for 12 rounds isn't the sign of a guy who is so called the "best ever". That being said although there is a lot of disappointment for wlad to take a night off against a fighter who only had one plan jab and move inside doesn't really bother me. Wlad is the only thing that has brought excitment to this division for some time now so it's silly to forget all he recent fights to bash him for this one constantly. This will pass like everything else in the "you are only as good as your last fight world that is boxing" he will be impressive his next time out and all this will be forgot. Unless he looses, and even then the fact that he has pretty much run this division shouldn't be forgot.

[RP33]

I had to stop and question this post when it started by saying he is the best fighter ever..(if there is even such a thing) Klitchko is getting a ton of flack and all of it is deserved. It was a horrible and boring show for most and to be happy holding your arm out on a kid's forhead and just sit there and let him swing for 12 rounds isn't the sign of a guy who is so called the "best ever". That being said although there is a lot of disappointment for wlad to take a night off against a fighter who only had one plan jab and move inside doesn't really bother me. Wlad is the only thing that has brought excitment to this division for some time now so it's silly to forget all he recent fights to bash him for this one constantly. This will pass like everything else in the "you are only as good as your last fight world that is boxing" he will be impressive his next time out and all this will be forgot. Unless he looses, and even then the fact that he has pretty much run this division shouldn't be forgot.

agree 100% Mar..

Don't get me wrong, I like Wlad, but I was more specifically just speaking on his last fight.. I wouldn't have anything bad to say about him if someone didn't start a topic like this, attempting to defend a poor performance of his..

"TruthandHonesty":.. I think Wlad is a good fighter, best ever? not even close, and to compare him and his STYLE to Ali is a joke.. Two different animals my friend..

I'll say it again.. if you don't think his last performance was poor, then you are in denial and you're a nut hugger.

[TruthandHonesty]

you should not call Ali or Wladimir animals, Ali himself said in the parkinson show that he is no animal but a muslim. And how is Wladimir a animal, he is literally the definition of a human, chech out the dictionary.
Am not calling you a Wladimir hater but you could have said that the guy only 31 years old and could make a consecutive of 30 defence if he was to remain undefeated for the next 10 years.
But you basically said no he not the best ever fighter and just closed the door there, also if you read what I wrote carefully I did call it a lackluster performance, but didn't both of tyson fight go 12 round when he unified the title example james smith and tony tucker (which was such a close fight), didn't lewis fight go the distant 2 times against ancient holyfield when lewis fought for unification, both fight were close.
Do you really think wladimir next unification fight will go the distant, let not forget that samule peter and ruslan chagaev have never been ko. But toney tucker has, james smith has, holyfield has.

[JT Rock]

This is the dumbest thread I have ever read... Klit the Greatest of All time

yea Greatest Heavyweight Pussy Of All Time

[ICB]

there no doubt that Wladimir is the best ever fighter and it unreal that there some people who judge his whole career by his last fight, Why don't they give compliment to wladimir for beating a undefeated world champion, or say positive thing such as
Wladimir won the hand with just 1 hand,
Wladimir made Ibragimov look less than a amateur
Wladimir has the best ever defence for a Heavyweight
Despite the lackluster performance by Wladimir, he still hold the strongest ko ratio in history for a unified Heavyweight world champion
Let not forget that Sultan Ibragimov only has 1 fight that was even and that was against Ray Austin and who gave Ray austin the worst beating of his life?
Let not forget what corrie sanders did to Wladimir Klitschko, corrie sanders had been ko by nate tubbs and Hasim rahman but he still manage to beat Wladimir when Wladimir underestimated him and got carelsss especially when Wladimir was fighting in such a way as if he was looking for a first round ko. Am not going to argue with anyone who say that Wladimir is not the same fighter that he was in 2003 since I agree with that but corrie sander has only a 70% ko ratio and I do realise that anyone in the heavyweight division can be ko by 1 punch. But Ibragimov has 83% ko ratio and he has never been beaten as a pro(never mind ko).
He also made evander holyfield look like nothing the way he beat him, I know he was old but he was also old when he got a draw against lennox lewis. Many felt holyfield won the rematch against lewis but the judges had soo much presure on them since the first fight wasn't fairly scored.
Also Holyfield had shoulder issue when he fought lewis but holyfield for the first time said just before the Ibragimov fight that his shoulder had healed since lay of after the larry donald fight. Many boxing website themselve said that holyfield look impove since the days of Lewis and holyfield fight.

many good pro Heavyweight world champion have been ko by felix savon. ieven iron chin david tua was ko in 20 second of first round by Felix Savon, but Felix savon couldn't hurt Ibragimov in the amateur.

There no doubt that Wladimir could have ko Ibragimov but Ibragimov didn't wana engage even when he was mile behind on the scorecards, Ibragimov seem like he just wanted to survive many fighter try to do the same thing against Prime Mike Tyson.
Every fighter that has gone 12 round with Wladimir was or became a world champion, no other world champion in the history of the Heavyweight division can ever make this claim

The only disgrace is you keep coming under different accounts and mentioning Wladimir in the same sentence as great.

[El Kabong]

Vlad is a giant bendy boy, terrified to get hit on the chin which is made out of the finest crystal. He didn't even have the balls to get back in the ring with Corrie Sanders. He would have had trouble finding work as a sparring partner in the 1970s. His last fight was a disgrace.

It was alleged but never substantiated

I didn't start this thread but it's guys like this dude who make it even MORE difficult for me to explain a FAN'S point of view when I have to disagree with the crazies....it's great you like Wlad too but put it in perspective.

[RP33]

you should not call Ali or Wladimir animals, Ali himself said in the parkinson show that he is no animal but a muslim. And how is Wladimir a animal, he is literally the definition of a human, chech out the dictionary.
Am not calling you a Wladimir hater but you could have said that the guy only 31 years old and could make a consecutive of 30 defence if he was to remain undefeated for the next 10 years.
But you basically said no he not the best ever fighter and just closed the door there, also if you read what I wrote carefully I did call it a lackluster performance, but didn't both of tyson fight go 12 round when he unified the title example james smith and tony tucker (which was such a close fight), didn't lewis fight go the distant 2 times against ancient holyfield when lewis fought for unification, both fight were close.
Do you really think wladimir next unification fight will go the distant, let not forget that samule peter and ruslan chagaev have never been ko. But toney tucker has, james smith has, holyfield has.

Is this a joke?

I don't mean literally an animal..

it is a figure of speech..

read a book, degenerate.

[BIG H]

This thread is

Gotta laugh - a guy that has been KTFO by Sanders and Brewster - GOAT

[TruthandHonesty]

in that case prime holyfield was ko by bowe and month bowe was battered by golata

lamon brewster blew out golata in just 40second
old holyfield got a draw against lewis, remmeber!

sanders ko levi billup in 1 round in 1993, this is when lennox barely beat billups on point in 1992, or how about sanders ko bert cooper in just few round and bert cooper in 1989 ko orlin norris and then in 1990 orlin norris beat prime oliver mcall and also let not forget that in 1992 a washed up mcall ko lewis in less than 3minute and 20 second

how bad does that make prime lennox lewis.

an not picking on holyfield or lewis but both have been ko clean in their prime, wladimir has never been ko clean and never lost in his prime since wladimir is just reaching his prime