Mundine to do big things in the MW division.

[OumaFan]

You know if it wasn't Mundine I wouldn't say much about the Taylor fight cause he's moving to a new division but how long has it been since he's fought a good fighter, its absolutely hilarious.

[CFH]

Mundine moving to 160 is a good idea, because two of the big threats there are most likely leaving soon (Pavlik and Taylor) leaving Arthur Abraham, Edison Miranda, Felix Sturm and Sebastian Sylvester as threats

Then you have the old guys who probably won't fight much if at all in this division anymore Winky, Castillejo.

Young waiting to be exploited fighters, Mora and Duddy.

If ever he was going to move to 160 now is the time.

Miranda's moved up to 168 as well. The Abraham-Miranda rematch is at a catch-weight of 166.

[Majesty]

Here is a prediction from me for the rest of 2008 and 2009. I am a confused Mundine fan, I hate his out of ring shit but admire his skill and think he has the tools to be a better fighter than many ppl think.

Mundine fought at 168 without ever dieting, which means he has always been more a 160 fighter anyway. He is much improved and could beat anyone at 160 on his night.

I think if he gets some of the big fights in the division he will be seen as a top 2 MW by end of 2009. Laugh if u like but im pretty confident in this prediction.

Thoughts, and please make them intelligent

If Sven Ottka can KO Mundine , it would be a video nasty if he fought Pavlik.

if that knockout had any relevance anymore then Mundine wouldnt be a current champ would he?

[Majesty]

I don't think Mundine ducks anyone but it isnt like any other super middleweight called out Mundine or tried to get a fight with him.

Miranda, Pascal Calzaghe, Mack or that guy who does backflips.

none of them called out Mundine so how is Mundine ducking them? Shouldn't it be the other way around? or is it the only way around with fighters you prefer over the other?

I think Mundine is pretty good. But I don't think he's ducking anyone since no one has been throwing out his name.

[eagle]

See that is a dumb post. Did Kessler KO Mundine? Just cos Mundine got KO'd in his 10th fight some 25 fights ago dont mean he is gonna get KO'd whenever he fights somenoe who can punch. Danny Green was maybe the most powerful puncher at 168 when Mundine fought him and he never got hit.

Saying that the Ottke v Mundine fight is still relevant is like saying that the Pacquiao v Singsurat fight is still relevant. Has Manny got a glass jaw cos he got sparked early in his career?

The ottke fight is often brought up by ppl who have seen little or none of Mundine fighting since...

Mundine destroyed Soliman who pushed Wright to the limit. He totally outboxed Danny Green a top 168 and 175 fighter, and was the first person before Calzaghe to seriously push Kessler. Thats right none of that counts cos he got Ko'd in his 10th fight which happened to be a title fight. He was fighting for a title when most contenders are still beating up the Charlie Zelenofs of the boxing world.

That to is a dumb post as Mundine has fought 2 non cab driver's since that fight, losing to Kessler and beat Green, but Green was over his hill by then and was never as skilled as mundine. Mundine needs to prove himself before he gets any high fives from the public. Unless of course you want to see Mundine - Soliman IV, it's getting more rediculous than the rocky series.

Ok Green over the hill. I guess all over the hill fighters move up a division and win a WBA title. Shot fighters do that all the time....

As Majesty said, name the last time a top fighter at 168 or 160 called Mundine out? They dont cos they know he is a threat.

Too many ppl let what a fighter does out of the ring blur their judgement of how good these fighters are in the ring...... Happens all the time.
I think the only guy who would beat Mundine at 160 at the moment is Pavlik and even that'd be closer than most ppl think. Over in 6?

My original post said that if Mundine moves to 160 and gets a few of the big names he'll be in the top couple in the division. What is so wrong about that?

I'll stand by my claim and admit it if im wrong, will the guys that say he is crap admit he is ok if he gets to the top 2 or 3 at 160. If being top 3 in a division is not doing big things then what is?

[THE THIRD MAN]

Here is a prediction from me for the rest of 2008 and 2009. I am a confused Mundine fan, I hate his out of ring shit but admire his skill and think he has the tools to be a better fighter than many ppl think.

Mundine fought at 168 without ever dieting, which means he has always been more a 160 fighter anyway. He is much improved and could beat anyone at 160 on his night.

I think if he gets some of the big fights in the division he will be seen as a top 2 MW by end of 2009. Laugh if u like but im pretty confident in this prediction.

Thoughts, and please make them intelligent

Eagle, Mundine looked pretty cut against Soliman, where is he going to lose this 8lb to get to 160?
He may be pushing his luck trying to get to 160 and have the power to mix it with Pavlik, Abraham etc Boxing wise he gives those guys some headaches with his speed, what worries me about him is will he have the stamina to last 12 rounds with these guys? There is one thing about Mundine that no one can deny and that is he is supremely fit and he looked like he could go another 12 rounds the other night. Taking off another 8lb may put this advantage in jeopardy. I hope he fights Abraham this year and we will find out soon enough. I think Pavlik and Wright will stay clear of him, he has no profile in the USA at all and a match made there seems unlikely as i am sure both Pavlik and Wright are after big pay days. Abraham may come to OZ as he has no US profile either but that will change after he beats Miranda. Mundine should go to the States and fight on an undercard in the next 3 months.

[Tam Seddon]

If he stayed at 168 he would get badly smashed, espcially by my man Froch.

[eagle]

If he stayed at 168 he would get badly smashed, espcially by my man Froch.

Joke right? PPl complain about Mundine's lack of quality opponents, but his resume shits all over Frochs. Soliman is 10 times as good as anyone Froch has fought. Mundine is deadly accurate if nothing else so that leaky defense of Carls would be breached with ease.

[Salty]

Ok Green over the hill. I guess all over the hill fighters move up a division and win a WBA title. Shot fighters do that all the time....

As Majesty said, name the last time a top fighter at 168 or 160 called Mundine out? They dont cos they know he is a threat.

Too many ppl let what a fighter does out of the ring blur their judgement of how good these fighters are in the ring...... Happens all the time.
I think the only guy who would beat Mundine at 160 at the moment is Pavlik and even that'd be closer than most ppl think. Over in 6?

My original post said that if Mundine moves to 160 and gets a few of the big names he'll be in the top couple in the division. What is so wrong about that?

I'll stand by my claim and admit it if im wrong, will the guys that say he is crap admit he is ok if he gets to the top 2 or 3 at 160. If being top 3 in a division is not doing big things then what is?

Mate did you even watch the Green title fight? The other guy would have thrown like 3 punches the whole fight and green was never the same after Germany.

How can you tell how well he will do against good opponents? Seeing as he hasn't fought any in years, he ducked Kessler, plain and simply ducked him gave up his "world title belt" just so he wouldn't have to fight him. Now he's fighting another one supposedly not up to his skill level. I am starting to think he will never be up to their skill level simply because he will never fight anyone decent.

After all even I can look like Roy Jones in the ring if I am fighting people way below my skill level, but against people my own level thats not always the case.

[eagle]

Ok Green over the hill. I guess all over the hill fighters move up a division and win a WBA title. Shot fighters do that all the time....

As Majesty said, name the last time a top fighter at 168 or 160 called Mundine out? They dont cos they know he is a threat.

Too many ppl let what a fighter does out of the ring blur their judgement of how good these fighters are in the ring...... Happens all the time.
I think the only guy who would beat Mundine at 160 at the moment is Pavlik and even that'd be closer than most ppl think. Over in 6?

My original post said that if Mundine moves to 160 and gets a few of the big names he'll be in the top couple in the division. What is so wrong about that?

I'll stand by my claim and admit it if im wrong, will the guys that say he is crap admit he is ok if he gets to the top 2 or 3 at 160. If being top 3 in a division is not doing big things then what is?

Mate did you even watch the Green title fight? The other guy would have thrown like 3 punches the whole fight and green was never the same after Germany.

How can you tell how well he will do against good opponents? Seeing as he hasn't fought any in years, he ducked Kessler, plain and simply ducked him gave up his "world title belt" just so he wouldn't have to fight him. Now he's fighting another one supposedly not up to his skill level. I am starting to think he will never be up to their skill level simply because he will never fight anyone decent.

After all even I can look like Roy Jones in the ring if I am fighting people way below my skill level, but against people my own level thats not always the case.

The reason Drews threw fuck all punches is cos he was scared. If Green was so shot and past it why was Drews scared?
Like i said if Mundine goes down to 160 and becomes a top 2 or 3 guy in the next couple of years i'll be right and u should come straight on here and apologise.

If he goes down to 160 and does nothing well i'll admit i was wrong. I do that when i am proved wrong. As i said in my first post if Mundine gets the top guys at 160 i think he will do big things, who other than Pavlik is gonna beat him? Sturm or Abraham?

[Salty]

Mundine has no heart, otherwise he would have fought kessler and not Soliman III. There's no indication this is going to change with this "big name" move to 160; Shannon Taylor. What an absolute joke, he could be a big name fighter by now, but instead he's an againg 33 year old who's wasting his best days of his career fighting idiots. It would be lucky if he even made money off this fight because the Australian public realise he only fights people who have no chance. Hopefully TAB will be stupid enough to pay out 1.50 for a mundine win here so I can at least win some money from him.

But face the facts mate mundine is not going to get any quicker, in fact his reflexes and fitness will start to decline, it's a fact. So unless he does something this fight or next one he will never be in the top 2, do you think he'd ever fight in germany for sturm? I don't think so and defently not the US for abraham, he doesn't have the guts or heart. He may as well start putting his centrelink forms in now.

[Dark Lord Al]

Here is a prediction from me for the rest of 2008 and 2009. I am a confused Mundine fan, I hate his out of ring shit but admire his skill and think he has the tools to be a better fighter than many ppl think.

Mundine fought at 168 without ever dieting, which means he has always been more a 160 fighter anyway. He is much improved and could beat anyone at 160 on his night.

I think if he gets some of the big fights in the division he will be seen as a top 2 MW by end of 2009. Laugh if u like but im pretty confident in this prediction.

Thoughts, and please make them intelligent

If Sven Ottka can KO Mundine , it would be a video nasty if he fought Pavlik.

if that knockout had any relevance anymore then Mundine wouldnt be a current champ would he?

My point was that Mundine hasent fought anyone who can hit like Pavlik and he has shown a weakness in the past to a light punchers , so my opinion is Pavlik would brutally KO him .
I think if they did fight after 2 or 3 rounds Mundine would have a swift and sudden fall from grace , and sunny days would feel far away .

[eagle]

If Sven Ottka can KO Mundine , it would be a video nasty if he fought Pavlik.

if that knockout had any relevance anymore then Mundine wouldnt be a current champ would he?

My point was that Mundine hasent fought anyone who can hit like Pavlik and he has shown a weakness in the past to a light punchers , so my opinion is Pavlik would brutally KO him .
I think if they did fight after 2 or 3 rounds Mundine would have a swift and sudden fall from grace , and sunny days would feel far away .

My point is he has fought guys with big punches, Kessler, Green, Echols, sure they may not punch as hard as Kelly but they all punch hard enough to KO anyone if they get it right. He has fought better opponents in his career than the likes of Abraham, Froch and Sturm yet they dont get half the criticism he does.
I still say Mundine is a cock, he is full of shit, he thinks he is better then what he is proven, but i dont for one minute let that cloud my judgement on his ability. If he fights the top guys at 160 he'll beat em all except maybe Pavlik and he'll go 12 with Kelly.

If im proven wring ill admit it.

[Dark Lord Al]

if that knockout had any relevance anymore then Mundine wouldnt be a current champ would he?

My point was that Mundine hasent fought anyone who can hit like Pavlik and he has shown a weakness in the past to a light punchers , so my opinion is Pavlik would brutally KO him .
I think if they did fight after 2 or 3 rounds Mundine would have a swift and sudden fall from grace , and sunny days would feel far away .

My point is he has fought guys with big punches, Kessler, Green, Echols, sure they may not punch as hard as Kelly but they all punch hard enough to KO anyone if they get it right. He has fought better opponents in his career than the likes of Abraham, Froch and Sturm yet they dont get half the criticism he does.
I still say Mundine is a cock, he is full of shit, he thinks he is better then what he is proven, but i dont for one minute let that cloud my judgement on his ability. If he fights the top guys at 160 he'll beat em all except maybe Pavlik and he'll go 12 with Kelly.

If im proven wring ill admit it.

Yes i respect your opinion dude , we will have to see if the fight ever happens.

[boozeboxer]

My point was that Mundine hasent fought anyone who can hit like Pavlik and he has shown a weakness in the past to a light punchers , so my opinion is Pavlik would brutally KO him .
I think if they did fight after 2 or 3 rounds Mundine would have a swift and sudden fall from grace , and sunny days would feel far away .

My point is he has fought guys with big punches, Kessler, Green, Echols, sure they may not punch as hard as Kelly but they all punch hard enough to KO anyone if they get it right. He has fought better opponents in his career than the likes of Abraham, Froch and Sturm yet they dont get half the criticism he does.
I still say Mundine is a cock, he is full of shit, he thinks he is better then what he is proven, but i dont for one minute let that cloud my judgement on his ability. If he fights the top guys at 160 he'll beat em all except maybe Pavlik and he'll go 12 with Kelly.

If im proven wring ill admit it.

Yes i respect your opinion dude , we will have to see if the fight ever happens.

you know the fights won't happen or this thread wouldn't even exist.