punches

[iceman]

i gotta second that, most left hooks have a problem, they are seen...why i don't know but i get hit so seldom by the guys that throw them, granted they are not a list fighters but i usually just stay with my straight punches and like walking them down. someone once put forth the theory that a hook is weak and a striaght punch much harder...bet that opens a can of worms..

[Trainer Monkey]

i gotta second that, most left hooks have a problem, they are seen...why i don't know but i get hit so seldom by the guys that throw them, granted they are not a list fighters but i usually just stay with my straight punches and like walking them down. someone once put forth the theory that a hook is weak and a striaght punch much harder...bet that opens a can of worms..

No No,thats more or less spot on,depending on your trainer,youll have a varied stance.
But no matter how much you train youll have a dominant hand, winding it up for a head hook usually leaves you open. No matter what stance you like,unless its both hands down,in wich case your allways open.
Hopkins fights from a jab hand down power hand up stance,to get a good head hook gowing with his left he'd have to take a major risk on his defense,when he was younger and faster he'd make that trade,he doesnt anymore. He's 43 and has a brain in his head

[Von Milash]

it's biomechanically incorrect to both body and head.

[Trainer Monkey]

it's biomechanically incorrect to both body and head.

Even though I dont like that stance personally,at least half the fighters out there use it

[Von Milash]

kids have to learn to turn the hook over. that's where the power is.

[southpawed]

Do you mean fist wise? Or torque wise? Because i thought hooks should never past the point of your chin.

[iceman]

disagrre turn it over all you want my straight right always seems to hit soo much harder...

[Von Milash]

iceman you can do it however you want. although i wonder if you know what i mean when i say turn it over.

[donnydarkoIRL]

iceman you can do it however you want. although i wonder if you know what i mean when i say turn it over.

I don't Von.

Are you refering to the thrust from the hip or the adjustment of the hand from palm inward to downward facing?

[Von Milash]

that's right. turn the thing over and get your elbow way up and get some weight behind it. if not, you're bordering on slap that is biomechanically incorrect.

[iceman]

oh yeah i know what you mean by turn it over, hear it yelled at ameteurs all the time when they first start learning it, i just don't feel most people got that much to put into it... thats just a humble opinion and i know we can come up with lots of exceptions, but i also bet they are all pro fighters unlike say what maybe 70% of the guys that lace up gloves and dream but for whatever reason fall short...i know an old school trainer, that likes to occasionally throw it by turning his back and shoulders way into it... you gotta see it to understand,cause i can't explain but he was hitting when he did that.

[donnydarkoIRL]

that's right. turn the thing over and get your elbow way up and get some weight behind it. if not, you're bordering on slap that is biomechanically incorrect.

I've been neglecting this lately as I've been throwing the hook from range, but I've got a nice strong left hook when I throw it like this.

[Trainer Monkey]

that's right. turn the thing over and get your elbow way up and get some weight behind it. if not, you're bordering on slap that is biomechanically incorrect.

I've been neglecting this lately as I've been throwing the hook from range, but I've got a nice strong left hook when I throw it like this.

Youve got to turn over the straight,if you dont,its bad on your wrist,AND you lose oomph on the shot

[donnydarkoIRL]

that's right. turn the thing over and get your elbow way up and get some weight behind it. if not, you're bordering on slap that is biomechanically incorrect.

I've been neglecting this lately as I've been throwing the hook from range, but I've got a nice strong left hook when I throw it like this.

Youve got to turn over the straight,if you dont,its bad on your wrist,AND you lose oomph on the shot

Yeah, I understand.

As for the body, I've taken to throwing the hook "palm in" as I can change it to an uppercut to get around the elbow, if needs be...That ok?

[Trainer Monkey]

I've been neglecting this lately as I've been throwing the hook from range, but I've got a nice strong left hook when I throw it like this.

Youve got to turn over the straight,if you dont,its bad on your wrist,AND you lose oomph on the shot

Yeah, I understand.

As for the body, I've taken to throwing the hook "palm in" as I can change it to an uppercut to get around the elbow, if needs be...That ok?

Oh yeah,thats allmost the way your supposed to be throwing it,but get your rythm down on the shot on the bag,because if you change your mind to late,it also torques bloody hell out of your wrist. You kind of want a body uppercut to be coming at an upword angle,so you have to decide in time to get your hand situated,especially on your weak hand, otherwise,your setting yourself up for long term issues with your wrists.
Thats the kind of thing you practice on the bag