Saddo's Official Pound for Pound List II

[Bomp]

1. Pac
2. JC
3. Cotto
4. Israel Vazquez
5. JMM
6. Calderon
7. R Marquez
8. Pavlik
9. Casamayor
10. Hopkins












For whom it may concern, I have Haton @ 345,672, 3 places ahead of Kid Thunder.

[killersheep]

So a man od 43-1 doesnt make your top 10 because he hasnt impressed you in victory.

You cannot argue with hattons record its far more established than most of your top 10.

If we were completely focusing on performance over everything else then surely mayweather would of only been 3-4 when he was around??

Hatton has ONE good victory on his resume that was worthy of p4p status and that was 3 years ago. He's not far down the list mind you I have him in the 12-13 area. Like I said a win over Paulie or Torres for that matter puts him at 10. As Lefty has said it's not as though either one of us is going to change the others mind so this is pointless.

I would like to know how Berto got on your list though.

But thats completely untrue

he has been beating top class opposition for 3-4 years now.

Castillo, urango, collazo = all still have impecable records barring their losses to hatton.

Maussa, phillips, olivera, lazcano = all world class competitors on their day

The tszyu fight gets talked about so much because at the time Kostya was the fighter in the world to beat and hatton didnt just beat him but stopped him with a superhuman performance.

But dont let the doubters fool you, hatton has been seeing off world championship opposition ever since and has only come a croper against the worlds best p4p fighter

Still plugging the Tszyu fight you sound like George Bush saying "9/11, 9/11, 9/11"

I am a very what have you done lately guy, Sergio Mora just beat the man to beat at 154, does that mean he is a p4p guy? No

Hatton's last 3 fights

Lazcano - way past it, nothing but a showcase fight for Hatton, you can't make it out to be anything more than it was. Lazcano coming in off a loss following 15 months of inactivity. Currently at #9 on the ring list

Mayweather - we don't need to go into this again

Jose Luis Castillo - see Lazcano. If there was justice he should have been coming in off a loss, Ngoudjo definately won that fight.

Juan Urango - Power and nothing else. Not exactly a stellar performance by Ricky. Currently # 7 on the ring list.

Luis Collazo - The softest punching WW in the game. It's lucky for Hatton that he got that flash knockdown in the first round, or it would have been a draw.

Mijares last 5 fights

Munoz - unification match against a legitimate super flyweight in his prime.
Still rated at # 3 by the ring

Navarro - also in his prime coming in off a loss that would have been a draw. Still rated at # 7 by the ring

Gorjux - ok this was his mandatory so he took him out in one

Kikui - In his prime. One of the highest rated Japanese super Flyweights at the time.

Arce - Blood and guts action fighter. Still in his prime. Still rated #5 by the ring.

[Mar]

There is really no real clear cut way to determine these lists, outside of someone saying something like cory spinks is no 3 on my list.....i don't really see any wrong answers, the top three or so are always gonna be close but everything else is subjective and varies on opinion. It's cool to see everyone pretty much on the same page pretty much....shows these lists posted here aren't just fan based.....too hard for me to make one, i change my mind every two seconds.

[Fenster]

Hatton has ONE good victory on his resume that was worthy of p4p status and that was 3 years ago. He's not far down the list mind you I have him in the 12-13 area. Like I said a win over Paulie or Torres for that matter puts him at 10. As Lefty has said it's not as though either one of us is going to change the others mind so this is pointless.

I would like to know how Berto got on your list though.

But thats completely untrue

he has been beating top class opposition for 3-4 years now.

Castillo, urango, collazo = all still have impecable records barring their losses to hatton.

Maussa, phillips, olivera, lazcano = all world class competitors on their day

The tszyu fight gets talked about so much because at the time Kostya was the fighter in the world to beat and hatton didnt just beat him but stopped him with a superhuman performance.

But dont let the doubters fool you, hatton has been seeing off world championship opposition ever since and has only come a croper against the worlds best p4p fighter

Still plugging the Tszyu fight you sound like George Bush saying "9/11, 9/11, 9/11"

I am a very what have you done lately guy, Sergio Mora just beat the man to beat at 154, does that mean he is a p4p guy? No

Hatton's last 3 fights

Lazcano - way past it, nothing but a showcase fight for Hatton, you can't make it out to be anything more than it was. Lazcano coming in off a loss following 15 months of inactivity. Currently at #9 on the ring list

Mayweather - we don't need to go into this again

Jose Luis Castillo - see Lazcano. If there was justice he should have been coming in off a loss, Ngoudjo definately won that fight.

Juan Urango - Power and nothing else. Not exactly a stellar performance by Ricky. Currently # 7 on the ring list.

Luis Collazo - The softest punching WW in the game. It's lucky for Hatton that he got that flash knockdown in the first round, or it would have been a draw.

Mijares last 5 fights

Munoz - unification match against a legitimate super flyweight in his prime.
Still rated at # 3 by the ring

Navarro - also in his prime coming in off a loss that would have been a draw. Still rated at # 7 by the ring

Gorjux - ok this was his mandatory so he took him out in one

Kikui - In his prime. One of the highest rated Japanese super Flyweights at the time.

Arce - Blood and guts action fighter. Still in his prime. Still rated #5 by the ring.

(sorry..I don't want to gatecrash you fellas little debate but)

You changed it from 3 to 5 opponents just to include Arce, didn't you?

I'm a neutral where Hatton and Mijares are concerned - I don't rate either top ten P4P. But your post just bolstered the argument for Hatton being above Mijares

Judging soley on current comp, Hatton's record, even with a loss, looks better.

Munoz - Had a strap. So what? Hatton fought Urango for his strap.
Navarro - coming off a loss.
Gorjux - WHO? Journeyman.
Kikui - WHO? Coming off a loss.
Arce - Former champ.

Hatton lasting 10 rounds with Floyd pisses all over that lot

[Markusdarkus]

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Miguel Angel Cotto
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Kelly Pavlik
6. Israel Vazques
7. Rafael Marques
8. Ivan Calderon
9. Wlad Klitchko
10.Bernard Hopkins


IMO of course.

[BoxingGorilla]

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Kelly Pavlik
5. Miguel Cotto
6. Isreal Vasquez
7. Rapheal Marquez
8. Christain Mijares
9. Ivan Calderon
10. Arthur Abraham

[SweetPea]

1. Manny Pacquiao
2a. Joe Calzaghe
2b. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Miguel Cotto

Those are the 4 elite fighters in boxing right now. There's a dropoff to whoever is at #5 and below.

[BoxingGorilla]

Due to Pacs most recent terrific showing he jumps from 4th to 3rd on my definitive list.

1. Guzman
2. JM Marquez
3. Pac
Fact.

That makes me very, very happy, Fenster.

[killersheep]

But thats completely untrue

he has been beating top class opposition for 3-4 years now.

Castillo, urango, collazo = all still have impecable records barring their losses to hatton.

Maussa, phillips, olivera, lazcano = all world class competitors on their day

The tszyu fight gets talked about so much because at the time Kostya was the fighter in the world to beat and hatton didnt just beat him but stopped him with a superhuman performance.

But dont let the doubters fool you, hatton has been seeing off world championship opposition ever since and has only come a croper against the worlds best p4p fighter

Still plugging the Tszyu fight you sound like George Bush saying "9/11, 9/11, 9/11"

I am a very what have you done lately guy, Sergio Mora just beat the man to beat at 154, does that mean he is a p4p guy? No

Hatton's last 3 fights

Lazcano - way past it, nothing but a showcase fight for Hatton, you can't make it out to be anything more than it was. Lazcano coming in off a loss following 15 months of inactivity. Currently at #9 on the ring list

Mayweather - we don't need to go into this again

Jose Luis Castillo - see Lazcano. If there was justice he should have been coming in off a loss, Ngoudjo definately won that fight.

Juan Urango - Power and nothing else. Not exactly a stellar performance by Ricky. Currently # 7 on the ring list.

Luis Collazo - The softest punching WW in the game. It's lucky for Hatton that he got that flash knockdown in the first round, or it would have been a draw.

Mijares last 5 fights

Munoz - unification match against a legitimate super flyweight in his prime.
Still rated at # 3 by the ring

Navarro - also in his prime coming in off a loss that would have been a draw. Still rated at # 7 by the ring

Gorjux - ok this was his mandatory so he took him out in one

Kikui - In his prime. One of the highest rated Japanese super Flyweights at the time.

Arce - Blood and guts action fighter. Still in his prime. Still rated #5 by the ring.

(sorry..I don't want to gatecrash you fellas little debate but)

You changed it from 3 to 5 opponents just to include Arce, didn't you?

I'm a neutral where Hatton and Mijares are concerned - I don't rate either top ten P4P. But your post just bolstered the argument for Hatton being above Mijares

Judging soley on current comp, Hatton's record, even with a loss, looks better.

Munoz - Had a strap. So what? Hatton fought Urango for his strap.
Navarro - coming off a loss.
Gorjux - WHO? Journeyman.
Kikui - WHO? Coming off a loss.
Arce - Former champ.

Hatton lasting 10 rounds with Floyd pisses all over that lot

Just because you haven't heard of someone doesn't mean they aren't world class. bottom line is Mijares is fighting the best competition available to him and winning convincingly the next step has to be Montiel, maybe Gorres otherwise he is clearly dominant in that division.

Hatton has not faced the best competition available lately, but his opponents have had more televised efforts. TV status and p4p status are two entirely different things.

Munoz, Kikui and Navarro are all top fighters, that gave it their all in those fights and I reemphasize they are all in their primes.

You compare Munoz to Urango
well look at the fights, Munoz and Mijares fought tooth and nail for 12 rounds in an exciting fight.

Hatton and Urango fought for five rounds and then Hatton pulled that John Ruiz shit for the rest of the fight, I don't see how that helps his p4p status personally.

[CutMeMick]

I cant believe no one has Hatton in the top 10. I'm not just saying this a as a big fan. But all he done was lose to the best p4p fighter and suddenly he's disappeared. Still number 1 at 140 pounds and a two weight world champ. Baffles me

hattonthehammer has hatton on the list right above Berto lol.

[CutMeMick]

All this talk about Hatton & Mijares is simple to narrow down and set them apart.

To the people that say Hatton should be there and not Mijares:
When rating P4P it's NOT just about a record you have to also take into consideration "Quality of Opposition" and "Skills" (meaning the skills that the fighter has been displaying)

Can you honestly say Hatton has looked better then Mijares in their last fights?
Hatton hasn't looked all to well since the Tszyu fight EVERYONE knows that.
To anyone who says JLC wasn't shot you've gotta be indenial. Everyone knew JLC was done and he was


Mijares has been fighting at brilliant leve since 2006. With the exception of Gorjux he has fought top level opposition.
Fenster anyone who rates Navarro as "coming of a loss" is pretty naive IMO. Navarro was blatently robbed vs. Kawashima in Japan anyone who saw the fight knows that. The Kirilov fight could have gone either way very close fight.
Which is why ranking sys. have Navarro up there and haven't dropped him cause he's been competetive and has gotten the bad end of fights.

So again you gotta look at how Hatton has looked as of late and getting KO'd by PBF then rocked, raddled & rolled by Lazcano is NOT a good look.

[SaltyBacon]

1. pac
2. cotto
3. calzaghe
4. jmm
5. vasquez
6. hopkins
7. pavlik
8. calderon
9. mijares
10. rafa marquez

[Phil]

1 Manny Pac
2 Joe Calzaghe
3 Miguel Cotto
4 Juan Marquez
5 Bernard Hopkins
6 Winky Wright
7 Kelly Pavlik
8 Arthur Abraham
9 Paul Williams
10 Joel Casamayor

[CFH]

I suck at these, but that won't stop me.

1. Pacquiao
2. J.M. Marquez
3. Vazquez
4. Calzaghe
5. Cotto
6. Hopkins
7. Rafa Marquez
8. Mijares
9. Pavlik
10. Guzman

[Fenster]

Still plugging the Tszyu fight you sound like George Bush saying "9/11, 9/11, 9/11"

I am a very what have you done lately guy, Sergio Mora just beat the man to beat at 154, does that mean he is a p4p guy? No

Hatton's last 3 fights

Lazcano - way past it, nothing but a showcase fight for Hatton, you can't make it out to be anything more than it was. Lazcano coming in off a loss following 15 months of inactivity. Currently at #9 on the ring list

Mayweather - we don't need to go into this again

Jose Luis Castillo - see Lazcano. If there was justice he should have been coming in off a loss, Ngoudjo definately won that fight.

Juan Urango - Power and nothing else. Not exactly a stellar performance by Ricky. Currently # 7 on the ring list.

Luis Collazo - The softest punching WW in the game. It's lucky for Hatton that he got that flash knockdown in the first round, or it would have been a draw.

Mijares last 5 fights

Munoz - unification match against a legitimate super flyweight in his prime.
Still rated at # 3 by the ring

Navarro - also in his prime coming in off a loss that would have been a draw. Still rated at # 7 by the ring

Gorjux - ok this was his mandatory so he took him out in one

Kikui - In his prime. One of the highest rated Japanese super Flyweights at the time.

Arce - Blood and guts action fighter. Still in his prime. Still rated #5 by the ring.

(sorry..I don't want to gatecrash you fellas little debate but)

You changed it from 3 to 5 opponents just to include Arce, didn't you?

I'm a neutral where Hatton and Mijares are concerned - I don't rate either top ten P4P. But your post just bolstered the argument for Hatton being above Mijares

Judging soley on current comp, Hatton's record, even with a loss, looks better.

Munoz - Had a strap. So what? Hatton fought Urango for his strap.
Navarro - coming off a loss.
Gorjux - WHO? Journeyman.
Kikui - WHO? Coming off a loss.
Arce - Former champ.

Hatton lasting 10 rounds with Floyd pisses all over that lot

Just because you haven't heard of someone doesn't mean they aren't world class. bottom line is Mijares is fighting the best competition available to him and winning convincingly the next step has to be Montiel, maybe Gorres otherwise he is clearly dominant in that division.

Hatton has not faced the best competition available lately, but his opponents have had more televised efforts. TV status and p4p status are two entirely different things.

Munoz, Kikui and Navarro are all top fighters, that gave it their all in those fights and I reemphasize they are all in their primes.

You compare Munoz to Urango
well look at the fights, Munoz and Mijares fought tooth and nail for 12 rounds in an exciting fight.

Hatton and Urango fought for five rounds and then Hatton pulled that John Ruiz shit for the rest of the fight, I don't see how that helps his p4p status personally.

Sorry.. I'll do this the lazy way.

Mijares is dominant in the superfly divison. The next step is Montiel, maybe Gorres

Hatton has NEVER lost at 140. That makes him pretty dominant in the 140 divison, no? The next step is Paulie the guy rated 2.

Munoz, Kikui and Navarro are all top fighters, that gave it their all in those fights and I reemphasize they are all in their primes.

What makes them better class fighters than Collazo (WBA 147 champ), Urango (IBF unbeaten 140 champ) and Floyd (Best P4P in the world)? They are fighters in their PRIME (Capitals for emphasis) that gave it their all, no?

You compare Munoz to Urango?

Munoz was a belt holder at superfly. Urango was a belt holder at Lightwelter. Mijares won an exciting SD. Hatton won a boring UD. SO.. basically you're penalising Hatton for BORING you.

All you have is - Mijares rates higher than Hatton because you like Mijares but don't like Hatton.


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