Saddo's Official Pound for Pound List II

[HattonTheHammer]

This is the anti-hatton forum didnt you realise.

Regardless of 43 wins. 2 weight world championships, 4 title belts etc because hatton lost to the greatest p4p fighter in generations he is now a washed up has been.

The fascination with lower weight class fighters on here is nothing short of ridiculous!!

I agree, lets take Cristian Mijares for example. He got beat by 3 bums. Hatton only lost lost to P4P best while beating big name fighters in Tzsyu and Castillo. Like Mijares, Hatton has also unified. Is Mijares a two weight world champ ? No. Anyways I dont need to say no more though as I might get a few people moaning.

Mijares hasn't lost in 6 years. He just came off a win unifying titles, against a guy that was capable of being competitive.

Hatton just fought grandpa Lazcano, in ultimately a fight that was put into place so his fans could see him beat someone up. The was nothing competitive about it.

So a man od 43-1 doesnt make your top 10 because he hasnt impressed you in victory.

You cannot argue with hattons record its far more established than most of your top 10.

If we were completely focusing on performance over everything else then surely mayweather would of only been 3-4 when he was around??

[killersheep]

I agree, lets take Cristian Mijares for example. He got beat by 3 bums. Hatton only lost lost to P4P best while beating big name fighters in Tzsyu and Castillo. Like Mijares, Hatton has also unified. Is Mijares a two weight world champ ? No. Anyways I dont need to say no more though as I might get a few people moaning.

Mijares hasn't lost in 6 years. He just came off a win unifying titles, against a guy that was capable of being competitive.

Hatton just fought grandpa Lazcano, in ultimately a fight that was put into place so his fans could see him beat someone up. The was nothing competitive about it.

So a man od 43-1 doesnt make your top 10 because he hasnt impressed you in victory.

You cannot argue with hattons record its far more established than most of your top 10.

If we were completely focusing on performance over everything else then surely mayweather would of only been 3-4 when he was around??

Hatton has ONE good victory on his resume that was worthy of p4p status and that was 3 years ago. He's not far down the list mind you I have him in the 12-13 area. Like I said a win over Paulie or Torres for that matter puts him at 10. As Lefty has said it's not as though either one of us is going to change the others mind so this is pointless.

I would like to know how Berto got on your list though.

[HattonTheHammer]

Mijares hasn't lost in 6 years. He just came off a win unifying titles, against a guy that was capable of being competitive.

Hatton just fought grandpa Lazcano, in ultimately a fight that was put into place so his fans could see him beat someone up. The was nothing competitive about it.

So a man od 43-1 doesnt make your top 10 because he hasnt impressed you in victory.

You cannot argue with hattons record its far more established than most of your top 10.

If we were completely focusing on performance over everything else then surely mayweather would of only been 3-4 when he was around??

Hatton has ONE good victory on his resume that was worthy of p4p status and that was 3 years ago. He's not far down the list mind you I have him in the 12-13 area. Like I said a win over Paulie or Torres for that matter puts him at 10. As Lefty has said it's not as though either one of us is going to change the others mind so this is pointless.

I would like to know how Berto got on your list though.

But thats completely untrue

he has been beating top class opposition for 3-4 years now.

Castillo, urango, collazo = all still have impecable records barring their losses to hatton.

Maussa, phillips, olivera, lazcano = all world class competitors on their day

The tszyu fight gets talked about so much because at the time Kostya was the fighter in the world to beat and hatton didnt just beat him but stopped him with a superhuman performance.

But dont let the doubters fool you, hatton has been seeing off world championship opposition ever since and has only come a croper against the worlds best p4p fighter

[C-Lo]

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Israel Vasquez
6. Kelly Pavlik
7. Rafael Marquez
8. Bernard Hopkins
9. Vladimir Klitschko
10. Joel Casamayor

My last LB 4 LB list I had Mijares at 9 but to be honest, I haven't really seen him fight all that much. I switched him with Vlad because I feel he should really be in a LB 4 LB list and after a post a little while ago, my opinion changed.

I cant believe no one has Hatton in the top 10. I'm not just saying this a as a big fan. But all he done was lose to the best p4p fighter and suddenly he's disappeared. Still number 1 at 140 pounds and a two weight world champ. Baffles me

Well he was number 9 or 10 on my list before the Mayweather fight, and he lost that fight in a bad way, and didn't look too good in his comeback fight so he stays just outside the top 10 for now.

That's how I feel about Hatton's place as well. I didn't discredit him for losing to Floyd but I did drop him out of my list because I feel those other fighters are better than Ricky and his last fight wasn't exactly a comeback party.

I cant believe no one has Hatton in the top 10. I'm not just saying this a as a big fan. But all he done was lose to the best p4p fighter and suddenly he's disappeared. Still number 1 at 140 pounds and a two weight world champ. Baffles me

This is the anti-hatton forum didnt you realise.

Regardless of 43 wins. 2 weight world championships, 4 title belts etc because hatton lost to the greatest p4p fighter in generations he is now a washed up has been.

The fascination with lower weight class fighters on here is nothing short of ridiculous!!

I think there's a reason for the lower weight classes getting some mention. One they are the ones fighting each other with less BS than the higher weight divisions and they are obviously very skilled fighters. I think they are underappreciated.

Also, in almost everyone's lists, I see Calzaghe, Hopkins, Cotto, Pavlik in the top 5, all of whom are not in the lower weight classes.

because hatton lost to the greatest p4p fighter in generations he is now a washed up has been.

No its because he hasnt looked good since beating Tszyu. He needed a completely static target in Urangotang to look half decent for a while.

Thats why he's possibly a has been.

I think he looked great taking out Castillo. Some say JLC was washed up but great fighters like JLC don't go down without a fight. Hatton applied the pressure and landed one of the best body shots I've ever seen.

[Bomp]

1. Pac
2. JC
3. Cotto
4. Israel Vazquez
5. JMM
6. Calderon
7. R Marquez
8. Pavlik
9. Casamayor
10. Hopkins












For whom it may concern, I have Haton @ 345,672, 3 places ahead of Kid Thunder.

[killersheep]

So a man od 43-1 doesnt make your top 10 because he hasnt impressed you in victory.

You cannot argue with hattons record its far more established than most of your top 10.

If we were completely focusing on performance over everything else then surely mayweather would of only been 3-4 when he was around??

Hatton has ONE good victory on his resume that was worthy of p4p status and that was 3 years ago. He's not far down the list mind you I have him in the 12-13 area. Like I said a win over Paulie or Torres for that matter puts him at 10. As Lefty has said it's not as though either one of us is going to change the others mind so this is pointless.

I would like to know how Berto got on your list though.

But thats completely untrue

he has been beating top class opposition for 3-4 years now.

Castillo, urango, collazo = all still have impecable records barring their losses to hatton.

Maussa, phillips, olivera, lazcano = all world class competitors on their day

The tszyu fight gets talked about so much because at the time Kostya was the fighter in the world to beat and hatton didnt just beat him but stopped him with a superhuman performance.

But dont let the doubters fool you, hatton has been seeing off world championship opposition ever since and has only come a croper against the worlds best p4p fighter

Still plugging the Tszyu fight you sound like George Bush saying "9/11, 9/11, 9/11"

I am a very what have you done lately guy, Sergio Mora just beat the man to beat at 154, does that mean he is a p4p guy? No

Hatton's last 3 fights

Lazcano - way past it, nothing but a showcase fight for Hatton, you can't make it out to be anything more than it was. Lazcano coming in off a loss following 15 months of inactivity. Currently at #9 on the ring list

Mayweather - we don't need to go into this again

Jose Luis Castillo - see Lazcano. If there was justice he should have been coming in off a loss, Ngoudjo definately won that fight.

Juan Urango - Power and nothing else. Not exactly a stellar performance by Ricky. Currently # 7 on the ring list.

Luis Collazo - The softest punching WW in the game. It's lucky for Hatton that he got that flash knockdown in the first round, or it would have been a draw.

Mijares last 5 fights

Munoz - unification match against a legitimate super flyweight in his prime.
Still rated at # 3 by the ring

Navarro - also in his prime coming in off a loss that would have been a draw. Still rated at # 7 by the ring

Gorjux - ok this was his mandatory so he took him out in one

Kikui - In his prime. One of the highest rated Japanese super Flyweights at the time.

Arce - Blood and guts action fighter. Still in his prime. Still rated #5 by the ring.

[Fenster]

Hatton has ONE good victory on his resume that was worthy of p4p status and that was 3 years ago. He's not far down the list mind you I have him in the 12-13 area. Like I said a win over Paulie or Torres for that matter puts him at 10. As Lefty has said it's not as though either one of us is going to change the others mind so this is pointless.

I would like to know how Berto got on your list though.

But thats completely untrue

he has been beating top class opposition for 3-4 years now.

Castillo, urango, collazo = all still have impecable records barring their losses to hatton.

Maussa, phillips, olivera, lazcano = all world class competitors on their day

The tszyu fight gets talked about so much because at the time Kostya was the fighter in the world to beat and hatton didnt just beat him but stopped him with a superhuman performance.

But dont let the doubters fool you, hatton has been seeing off world championship opposition ever since and has only come a croper against the worlds best p4p fighter

Still plugging the Tszyu fight you sound like George Bush saying "9/11, 9/11, 9/11"

I am a very what have you done lately guy, Sergio Mora just beat the man to beat at 154, does that mean he is a p4p guy? No

Hatton's last 3 fights

Lazcano - way past it, nothing but a showcase fight for Hatton, you can't make it out to be anything more than it was. Lazcano coming in off a loss following 15 months of inactivity. Currently at #9 on the ring list

Mayweather - we don't need to go into this again

Jose Luis Castillo - see Lazcano. If there was justice he should have been coming in off a loss, Ngoudjo definately won that fight.

Juan Urango - Power and nothing else. Not exactly a stellar performance by Ricky. Currently # 7 on the ring list.

Luis Collazo - The softest punching WW in the game. It's lucky for Hatton that he got that flash knockdown in the first round, or it would have been a draw.

Mijares last 5 fights

Munoz - unification match against a legitimate super flyweight in his prime.
Still rated at # 3 by the ring

Navarro - also in his prime coming in off a loss that would have been a draw. Still rated at # 7 by the ring

Gorjux - ok this was his mandatory so he took him out in one

Kikui - In his prime. One of the highest rated Japanese super Flyweights at the time.

Arce - Blood and guts action fighter. Still in his prime. Still rated #5 by the ring.

(sorry..I don't want to gatecrash you fellas little debate but)

You changed it from 3 to 5 opponents just to include Arce, didn't you?

I'm a neutral where Hatton and Mijares are concerned - I don't rate either top ten P4P. But your post just bolstered the argument for Hatton being above Mijares

Judging soley on current comp, Hatton's record, even with a loss, looks better.

Munoz - Had a strap. So what? Hatton fought Urango for his strap.
Navarro - coming off a loss.
Gorjux - WHO? Journeyman.
Kikui - WHO? Coming off a loss.
Arce - Former champ.

Hatton lasting 10 rounds with Floyd pisses all over that lot

[killersheep]

But thats completely untrue

he has been beating top class opposition for 3-4 years now.

Castillo, urango, collazo = all still have impecable records barring their losses to hatton.

Maussa, phillips, olivera, lazcano = all world class competitors on their day

The tszyu fight gets talked about so much because at the time Kostya was the fighter in the world to beat and hatton didnt just beat him but stopped him with a superhuman performance.

But dont let the doubters fool you, hatton has been seeing off world championship opposition ever since and has only come a croper against the worlds best p4p fighter

Still plugging the Tszyu fight you sound like George Bush saying "9/11, 9/11, 9/11"

I am a very what have you done lately guy, Sergio Mora just beat the man to beat at 154, does that mean he is a p4p guy? No

Hatton's last 3 fights

Lazcano - way past it, nothing but a showcase fight for Hatton, you can't make it out to be anything more than it was. Lazcano coming in off a loss following 15 months of inactivity. Currently at #9 on the ring list

Mayweather - we don't need to go into this again

Jose Luis Castillo - see Lazcano. If there was justice he should have been coming in off a loss, Ngoudjo definately won that fight.

Juan Urango - Power and nothing else. Not exactly a stellar performance by Ricky. Currently # 7 on the ring list.

Luis Collazo - The softest punching WW in the game. It's lucky for Hatton that he got that flash knockdown in the first round, or it would have been a draw.

Mijares last 5 fights

Munoz - unification match against a legitimate super flyweight in his prime.
Still rated at # 3 by the ring

Navarro - also in his prime coming in off a loss that would have been a draw. Still rated at # 7 by the ring

Gorjux - ok this was his mandatory so he took him out in one

Kikui - In his prime. One of the highest rated Japanese super Flyweights at the time.

Arce - Blood and guts action fighter. Still in his prime. Still rated #5 by the ring.

(sorry..I don't want to gatecrash you fellas little debate but)

You changed it from 3 to 5 opponents just to include Arce, didn't you?

I'm a neutral where Hatton and Mijares are concerned - I don't rate either top ten P4P. But your post just bolstered the argument for Hatton being above Mijares

Judging soley on current comp, Hatton's record, even with a loss, looks better.

Munoz - Had a strap. So what? Hatton fought Urango for his strap.
Navarro - coming off a loss.
Gorjux - WHO? Journeyman.
Kikui - WHO? Coming off a loss.
Arce - Former champ.

Hatton lasting 10 rounds with Floyd pisses all over that lot

Just because you haven't heard of someone doesn't mean they aren't world class. bottom line is Mijares is fighting the best competition available to him and winning convincingly the next step has to be Montiel, maybe Gorres otherwise he is clearly dominant in that division.

Hatton has not faced the best competition available lately, but his opponents have had more televised efforts. TV status and p4p status are two entirely different things.

Munoz, Kikui and Navarro are all top fighters, that gave it their all in those fights and I reemphasize they are all in their primes.

You compare Munoz to Urango
well look at the fights, Munoz and Mijares fought tooth and nail for 12 rounds in an exciting fight.

Hatton and Urango fought for five rounds and then Hatton pulled that John Ruiz shit for the rest of the fight, I don't see how that helps his p4p status personally.

[CutMeMick]

I cant believe no one has Hatton in the top 10. I'm not just saying this a as a big fan. But all he done was lose to the best p4p fighter and suddenly he's disappeared. Still number 1 at 140 pounds and a two weight world champ. Baffles me

hattonthehammer has hatton on the list right above Berto lol.

[Fenster]

Still plugging the Tszyu fight you sound like George Bush saying "9/11, 9/11, 9/11"

I am a very what have you done lately guy, Sergio Mora just beat the man to beat at 154, does that mean he is a p4p guy? No

Hatton's last 3 fights

Lazcano - way past it, nothing but a showcase fight for Hatton, you can't make it out to be anything more than it was. Lazcano coming in off a loss following 15 months of inactivity. Currently at #9 on the ring list

Mayweather - we don't need to go into this again

Jose Luis Castillo - see Lazcano. If there was justice he should have been coming in off a loss, Ngoudjo definately won that fight.

Juan Urango - Power and nothing else. Not exactly a stellar performance by Ricky. Currently # 7 on the ring list.

Luis Collazo - The softest punching WW in the game. It's lucky for Hatton that he got that flash knockdown in the first round, or it would have been a draw.

Mijares last 5 fights

Munoz - unification match against a legitimate super flyweight in his prime.
Still rated at # 3 by the ring

Navarro - also in his prime coming in off a loss that would have been a draw. Still rated at # 7 by the ring

Gorjux - ok this was his mandatory so he took him out in one

Kikui - In his prime. One of the highest rated Japanese super Flyweights at the time.

Arce - Blood and guts action fighter. Still in his prime. Still rated #5 by the ring.

(sorry..I don't want to gatecrash you fellas little debate but)

You changed it from 3 to 5 opponents just to include Arce, didn't you?

I'm a neutral where Hatton and Mijares are concerned - I don't rate either top ten P4P. But your post just bolstered the argument for Hatton being above Mijares

Judging soley on current comp, Hatton's record, even with a loss, looks better.

Munoz - Had a strap. So what? Hatton fought Urango for his strap.
Navarro - coming off a loss.
Gorjux - WHO? Journeyman.
Kikui - WHO? Coming off a loss.
Arce - Former champ.

Hatton lasting 10 rounds with Floyd pisses all over that lot

Just because you haven't heard of someone doesn't mean they aren't world class. bottom line is Mijares is fighting the best competition available to him and winning convincingly the next step has to be Montiel, maybe Gorres otherwise he is clearly dominant in that division.

Hatton has not faced the best competition available lately, but his opponents have had more televised efforts. TV status and p4p status are two entirely different things.

Munoz, Kikui and Navarro are all top fighters, that gave it their all in those fights and I reemphasize they are all in their primes.

You compare Munoz to Urango
well look at the fights, Munoz and Mijares fought tooth and nail for 12 rounds in an exciting fight.

Hatton and Urango fought for five rounds and then Hatton pulled that John Ruiz shit for the rest of the fight, I don't see how that helps his p4p status personally.

Sorry.. I'll do this the lazy way.

Mijares is dominant in the superfly divison. The next step is Montiel, maybe Gorres

Hatton has NEVER lost at 140. That makes him pretty dominant in the 140 divison, no? The next step is Paulie the guy rated 2.

Munoz, Kikui and Navarro are all top fighters, that gave it their all in those fights and I reemphasize they are all in their primes.

What makes them better class fighters than Collazo (WBA 147 champ), Urango (IBF unbeaten 140 champ) and Floyd (Best P4P in the world)? They are fighters in their PRIME (Capitals for emphasis) that gave it their all, no?

You compare Munoz to Urango?

Munoz was a belt holder at superfly. Urango was a belt holder at Lightwelter. Mijares won an exciting SD. Hatton won a boring UD. SO.. basically you're penalising Hatton for BORING you.

All you have is - Mijares rates higher than Hatton because you like Mijares but don't like Hatton.


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