Jesse Jackson wants to cut Obama's nuts off

[Wayne]

How were Imus' comments about Pacman Jones taken out of context? He provided the context in which they were taken.

Well buddy I heard it in context and Imus meant what he said, he meant "Pacman is black and got targeted by the police because of that"...why would Imus a guy who has DEDICATED (and continues to dedicate) ENTIRE SHOWS to race relations do that? No one he has had on said what he said was wrong and believe you me they would if they thaught he meant that "because Pacman is black he gets in trouble"....that's LAZY to think that you probably didn't even know about those shows about race relations but oh well you won't care because your opinion is already formed and you obviously dislike Imus....oh well I know I'll cry myself to sleep tonight because of it

Yes, my mind is made up. People form opinions based on the things they hear. Just like you have. You figure because Imus has shows on race relations that he isn't racist. I think regardless of the shows he puts on that he is, that those shows are probably more spin for him to polish up his sullied image. It's just a difference of opinion. The mere fact that Imus wasn't able to articulate what he meant the day after he said what he said about Jones is just evidence to me of his floundering like a fish out of water. I heard what he said and it made no sense. If anyone TRULY believes Pacman is being targeted for being black and nothing else you are a sucker! Pacman is being targeted because he keeps breaking the law and getting caught. Imus' comment either makes no sense or it was the further ranting of a racist. Let's see, someone who's gotten into trouble over racially insensitive remarks in the past, who couldn't deny using racial epithets in the past- I wonder which one it was. And stop it, Lyle, you and me both know I'm not personally attacking you don't try to act like because we don't agree that I'm trying to come after you. That's not the case in the least. I respect your opinion and hell, you knocked my socks off by showing you know more than I would expect out of anybody on here (some things that I don't even know), but at times you seem to knee-jerk lash out and us disagreeing certainly isn't a situation where we need to go down that path. Hell, you just gave me rep on us agreeing about the Klitschko-Thompson fight. I have my opinion on Imus, you have yours on him. The fact of it is, neither one of us really knows if he is a racist so the only thing we have to go on is the things he says and the things he does and we have separate interpretations of those things.

You called me lazy because I'm black, didn't you? Racist bastard.

[Kirkland Laing]

Some Americans are whiners? That's a very elitist comment Lyle.

I'm surprised to see you endorsing socialism too. A socialist elitist. How about that.

It's not elitist it's a fact but to what extent it's a fact is up for questioning, some English people whine too, some Germans whine, and some Italians whine....and some French people don't.

The media is just jumping all over this story of how everyone is suffering but I hate to break it to them but I'm doing just fine.

Gas prices will go down if America stops being oil prudes...we tell everyone else to drill the fuck out of their countries and the fucking environmentalists here bitch about any drilling OR refining we could do here....it's crazy! Mad Made global warming is a myth

Now what do YOU think about Obama cutting Corporate taxes

That's funny, America's CEOs must be a bunch of whiners too. They say the economy is "dismal."

Frustrated with the current economic policy, another CEO said, “The formula for international competitiveness is quite simple: minimal trade restrictions, predictable regulation, competitive tax rates, strong educational system, trade balance (not deficit), predictable currency, low interest rates, responsible fiscal spending and low corruption. Unfortunately, under the Bush administration, we have failed on many of the factors, with corruption and macroeconomic incompetence being the most insidious.”
-CEOs Portray a Dismal Forecast for the U.S.


Gas prices will not go down significantly while Bush keeps printing epic quantities of paper to keep up his socialist bailouts of failing banks and financial firms. I'm pretty sure it won't hit $200 this year but the only thing stopping it doing so eventually will be a recession, however the recession will still feature oil prices over $100 and thus inflationary to the economy as a whole.

Offshore drilling won't make any difference at all to the oil price, not one cent. Oil companies already own a ton of leases on areas they haven't bothered to drill in yet but they want more leases granted while the GOP is still in power so that the new assets pump their balance sheets up. Refiners have deliberately cut capacity for two decades to force their profit margins up.

Obama will raise the overall level of taxes corporations pay overall and rightly so. The entire tax system is currently so out of whack that it's going to prevent economic growth in the future. Corporations and top earners are going to have to pay a fairer share and the Reagan/Bushes Tax Increases on middle/low income earners reversed so that they have more money to spend. Until that happens real economic growth is going to be effectively at a standstill.

[Wayne]

Some Americans are whiners? That's a very elitist comment Lyle.

I'm surprised to see you endorsing socialism too. A socialist elitist. How about that.

It's not elitist it's a fact but to what extent it's a fact is up for questioning, some English people whine too, some Germans whine, and some Italians whine....and some French people don't.

The media is just jumping all over this story of how everyone is suffering but I hate to break it to them but I'm doing just fine.

Gas prices will go down if America stops being oil prudes...we tell everyone else to drill the fuck out of their countries and the fucking environmentalists here bitch about any drilling OR refining we could do here....it's crazy! Mad Made global warming is a myth

Now what do YOU think about Obama cutting Corporate taxes

That's funny, America's CEOs must be a bunch of whiners too. They say the economy is "dismal."

Frustrated with the current economic policy, another CEO said, “The formula for international competitiveness is quite simple: minimal trade restrictions, predictable regulation, competitive tax rates, strong educational system, trade balance (not deficit), predictable currency, low interest rates, responsible fiscal spending and low corruption. Unfortunately, under the Bush administration, we have failed on many of the factors, with corruption and macroeconomic incompetence being the most insidious.”
-CEOs Portray a Dismal Forecast for the U.S.


Gas prices will not go down significantly while Bush keeps printing epic quantities of paper to keep up his socialist bailouts of failing banks and financial firms. I'm pretty sure it won't hit $200 this year but the only thing stopping it doing so eventually will be a recession, however the recession will still feature oil prices over $100 and thus inflationary to the economy as a whole.

Offshore drilling won't make any difference at all to the oil price, not one cent. Oil companies already own a ton of leases on areas they haven't bothered to drill in yet but they want more leases granted while the GOP is still in power so that the new assets pump their balance sheets up. Refiners have deliberately cut capacity for two decades to force their profit margins up.

Obama will raise the overall level of taxes corporations pay overall and rightly so. The entire tax system is currently so out of whack that it's going to prevent economic growth in the future. Corporations and top earners are going to have to pay a fairer share and the Reagan/Bushes Tax Increases on middle/low income earners reversed so that they have more money to spend. Until that happens real economic growth is going to be effectively at a standstill.

I got a question: what does any of this have to do with Barack Obama's balls?

[Kirkland Laing]

It's not elitist it's a fact but to what extent it's a fact is up for questioning, some English people whine too, some Germans whine, and some Italians whine....and some French people don't.

The media is just jumping all over this story of how everyone is suffering but I hate to break it to them but I'm doing just fine.

Gas prices will go down if America stops being oil prudes...we tell everyone else to drill the fuck out of their countries and the fucking environmentalists here bitch about any drilling OR refining we could do here....it's crazy! Mad Made global warming is a myth

Now what do YOU think about Obama cutting Corporate taxes

That's funny, America's CEOs must be a bunch of whiners too. They say the economy is "dismal."

Frustrated with the current economic policy, another CEO said, “The formula for international competitiveness is quite simple: minimal trade restrictions, predictable regulation, competitive tax rates, strong educational system, trade balance (not deficit), predictable currency, low interest rates, responsible fiscal spending and low corruption. Unfortunately, under the Bush administration, we have failed on many of the factors, with corruption and macroeconomic incompetence being the most insidious.”
-CEOs Portray a Dismal Forecast for the U.S.


Gas prices will not go down significantly while Bush keeps printing epic quantities of paper to keep up his socialist bailouts of failing banks and financial firms. I'm pretty sure it won't hit $200 this year but the only thing stopping it doing so eventually will be a recession, however the recession will still feature oil prices over $100 and thus inflationary to the economy as a whole.

Offshore drilling won't make any difference at all to the oil price, not one cent. Oil companies already own a ton of leases on areas they haven't bothered to drill in yet but they want more leases granted while the GOP is still in power so that the new assets pump their balance sheets up. Refiners have deliberately cut capacity for two decades to force their profit margins up.

Obama will raise the overall level of taxes corporations pay overall and rightly so. The entire tax system is currently so out of whack that it's going to prevent economic growth in the future. Corporations and top earners are going to have to pay a fairer share and the Reagan/Bushes Tax Increases on middle/low income earners reversed so that they have more money to spend. Until that happens real economic growth is going to be effectively at a standstill.

I got a question: what does any of this have to do with Barack Obama's balls?

Jesse Jackson wants to cut them off. Did you hear about it? Because with the wall-to-wall media coverage of the ongoing disasters in Iraq and Afghanistan and their coverage of why we're having a financial meltdown I'm not sure if it got mentioned on TV. You's think they'd spend time covering the really important stuff like Obama's nuts rather than all that trivial Iraq/Afghanistan/meltdown stuff that's never off the teevee.

[El Kabong]

.....whiner


Iraq is going far better now...Afgahnistan is going to have to buckle down and get better but with pulling troops from Iraq you can add more force there and we're going to have to work with Pakistan to get in the areas where the big rats are hiding.....and if they don't want to work with us then we're going to have to pull some commando shit to get in there.


Kirkland Obama isn't a panacea he's just a guy who can give good speeches once he gets in debates he'll fade again....if you like Obama so much then elect him as the President of YOUR country because I'm NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA....not this year, not in 2012, not in 2016, not in 2020. And it's solely based on his politics and nothing else....what Obama sees as right for America, I don't agree with. I don't think he's a muslim, I don't care if he is one, I heard what was going on in his church and hell it's not that different than listening to some crazy Imam....I don't think he was sworn in on the Q'ran I don't really freaking care....I just don't like that he's as far left as he is and he's waaaaaaay out there.

I like McCain, he's served his country longer, he's done more for his country, and he's solutions oriented...if the citizens say "we want offshore drilling" then McCain says "OK let's do it"


Obama has less experience right now than George W. Bush had in 2000 and that is the honest truth

[Wayne]

[quote=Lyle;559918Obama has less experience right now than George W. Bush had in 2000 and that is the honest truth[/quote]

Lyle, there's experience and then there's experience. Bush has experience bankrupting at least 2 corporations, profiting greatly from being part-owner of the Rangers (and trading Sammy Sosa), and seeing Texas slide to 50th in education all before becoming Prez. Just because he had more than Obama doesn't mean it's a good thing.

[Kirkland Laing]

[quote=Killface;559967]

Lyle, there's experience and then there's experience. Bush has experience bankrupting at least 2 corporations, profiting greatly from being part-owner of the Rangers (and trading Sammy Sosa), and seeing Texas slide to 50th in education all before becoming Prez. Just because he had more than Obama doesn't mean it's a good thing.

Bush's presidency has uncannily followed his previous attempts at careers in business. Any day now I'm expecting a press conference where Bush announces that a consortium of his father's business buddies has taken over the presidency and will run the country until somebody competent has been found to take the job on.

[Kirkland Laing]

.....whiner


Iraq is going far better now...Afgahnistan is going to have to buckle down and get better but with pulling troops from Iraq you can add more force there and we're going to have to work with Pakistan to get in the areas where the big rats are hiding.....and if they don't want to work with us then we're going to have to pull some commando shit to get in there.


Kirkland Obama isn't a panacea he's just a guy who can give good speeches once he gets in debates he'll fade again....if you like Obama so much then elect him as the President of YOUR country because I'm NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA....not this year, not in 2012, not in 2016, not in 2020. And it's solely based on his politics and nothing else....what Obama sees as right for America, I don't agree with. I don't think he's a muslim, I don't care if he is one, I heard what was going on in his church and hell it's not that different than listening to some crazy Imam....I don't think he was sworn in on the Q'ran I don't really freaking care....I just don't like that he's as far left as he is and he's waaaaaaay out there.

I like McCain, he's served his country longer, he's done more for his country, and he's solutions oriented...if the citizens say "we want offshore drilling" then McCain says "OK let's do it"


Obama has less experience right now than George W. Bush had in 2000 and that is the honest truth

The US already lost in Iraq, Iran won. Bush has managed to reduce the number of US soldiers being killed by putting the insurgents on the payroll so they're not as active as they used to be but this is not success. Strategically the US got its arse handed to it. Iran was playing chess while Bush was playing tiddlywinks.

Afghanistan is another war he started that he can't win. The outgoing US General in charge says that to win he'd need 450 000 troops when he only has 40 000. Pakistan isn't ever going to cooperate with us and it wouldn't make much difference if they did.

Obama won't be perfect but will not run the country into the ground like Bush has done/McCain will continue to do. It would actually be a good thing for America in the long run if McCain wins just so he can entirely fuck the country upside down. Then enough people will be forced to start paying attention to what's going on and fix it.

McCain flip flopped on offshore drilling too. He'll say anything to get elected. He'll change his position on things depending who he's speaking to. He's not just a flip flopper, he's a guy who holds two different positions on things simultaneously.

[El Kabong]

McCain was opposed to offshore drilling but the American people aren't and he saw that and said "hey maybe we should drill" as did Florida Gov. Charlie Crist.

Obama voted for the FISA bill...talk about selling out! But that doesn't matter because Obama TRANSCENDS politics...he's a visionary and never panders to any group of people

I'm done talking about it, I'm voting for McCain he's served longer and better than Obama has....and politically McCain will do better for the country and myself. If you love Obama so much then go vote for him, I really don't care

[Kirkland Laing]

McCain was opposed to offshore drilling but the American people aren't and he saw that and said "hey maybe we should drill" as did Florida Gov. Charlie Crist.

Obama voted for the FISA bill...talk about selling out! But that doesn't matter because Obama TRANSCENDS politics...he's a visionary and never panders to any group of people

I'm done talking about it, I'm voting for McCain he's served longer and better than Obama has....and politically McCain will do better for the country and myself. If you love Obama so much then go vote for him, I really don't care

Why will McCain do better for you and America?

[El Kabong]

He has more experience than Obama, he's not going to tax the crap out of anyone, the capital gains tax will stay the same everyone knows the big economic boom we had under the Clinton years were helped a ton by #1 The .Com boom, #2 Welfare Reform (as done by the Republican Congress) #3 the cut in capital gains tax from 28% to 20%.

[Kirkland Laing]

He has more experience than Obama, he's not going to tax the crap out of anyone, the capital gains tax will stay the same everyone knows the big economic boom we had under the Clinton years were helped a ton by #1 The .Com boom, #2 Welfare Reform (as done by the Republican Congress) #3 the cut in capital gains tax from 28% to 20%.

His great experience told him it would be a good idea to invade Iraq, and the US then invaded and got its arse handed to it by the Iranians. Obama thought invading Iraq would be a bad idea. So probably better to go for the guy with limited experience but a habit of getting the big decisions right.

McCain and the GOP will indeed tax the crap out of you. They've been increasing middle/low income people's share of the overall tax burden every year they've been in power since Reagan in 1980. Clinton reversed this a little but Bush reversed the reverse, leaving low/middle incomes with their biggest-ever share of the total tax burden in modern history. McCain will ramp up Bush's rob-the-poor-to-give-to-the-rich policies. Clinton's economic growth was done by balancing the budget which created the biggest investment boom in history,a boom that saw 22 million jobs created and the biggest-ever (Reagan/Bush 41) deficit turned into a huge surplus. Bush's boom was with borrowed money and failed disastrously, ruining the economy and creating less than five million jobs, record inflation, negligible investment. All while turning a surplus of hundreds of billions of dollars a year into record deficits. Clinton's boom produced tangible economic growth, far bigger GDP growth than under Bush41/43/Reagan all while cutting the deficits they'd built up and turning them into a surplus. The dotcom bubble only affected a small number of people with capital to invest and was not of Clinton's making. The Bush housing bubble is screwing Middle America, everybody who owns a home and was of Bush's making. Obama will actually cut taxes on low/middle income earners and rightly so. It's the only way the US economy can get going in the long term.

Capital gains tax is paid by people with actual investments, the top-earning couple of percent of the country. Cutting the tax only increases their income, has no bearing on the actual economy. It's a tax the elite pay a lot of because their income is inherited and not earned, so cutting it is a regressive step, a step away from rewarding hard work and enterprise and a step towards more handouts for moneyed elites and inherited wealth.

Only a small number of super-rich GOP people want capital gains to be cut and get the journalists that work for media outlets they own to push for cuts. Where did you read stuff about cutting capital gains being a good idea? Did you know that if you're really wealthy and can afford tax lawyers to deal with the IRS for you you can get all your income declared long-term capital gains and pay only 15% tax? That's only slightly more than you pay in payroll taxes, another tax that falls mainly on low/middle income earners. Payroll tax falls on the first $95000 of yearly income only, so if you earn ten million you still only pay the same payroll taxes as somebody who earns $95k. Why does no GOP politician ever call for a cut in payroll taxes, hmmm?

[El Kabong]

uh huh....if McCain's advice was heeded earlier Iraq would have been an easier task.

Obama has been a Senator since 2005 but I guess he has more experience from being a "community organizer" ....that's what America needs...CHANGE and a Community Organizer leading us....suddenly we're all a bunch of fucking panhandlers....thanks but no thanks

[Kirkland Laing]

uh huh....if McCain's advice was heeded earlier Iraq would have been an easier task.

Obama has been a Senator since 2005 but I guess he has more experience from being a "community organizer" ....that's what America needs...CHANGE and a Community Organizer leading us....suddenly we're all a bunch of fucking panhandlers....thanks but no thanks

McCain's advice was to invade Iraq and no matter what advice McCain gave the US would still have ended having to hand over Iraq to the Iranians. On the single-biggest foreign policy decision of the last generation McCain got it dead wrong.

I notice you avoided the rest of the post. You really don't have any good reason to vote for McCain when you're forced to look at things objectively, do you?

[El Kabong]

McCain has taken chances with his career in order to solve problems affecting the citizens....Obama has done NOTHING he hasn't proposed any good legislation he hasn't taken a firm stand on anything AND stuff he did take a stand on before he has changed his views on like the FISA bill.


Kirkland you give me no reasons to vote for Obama either