Calzaghe Hopkins II OFF.

[ICB]

Reading some of this makes me very confused. You would have to be blind not to see how clearly Joe beat bernard. He had him faking low blows and fighting extremely dirty just to survive until the final bell.

Joe made his adjustments around the 4th round and it was over for hopkins from there. There's no way Joe should give him the satisfaction of a rematch after seeing how dirty hopkins is and what a bad sport he is by not giving him any credit what so ever for beating him soundly.

At most i'd say you could only have Joe Calzaghe winning by 2 points, i had Bernard Hopkins winning based on the knockdown. Opinion's varied on the fight, i liked Bernard Hopkins cleaner, harder, more effective punches.

Joe Calzaghe did throw and land more, but how many of those punches were effective ? can you even really name one good punch Joe Calzaghe landed in the entire fight ? because i can only remember one decent straight left hand, and one good body shot from Joe Calzaghe and thats about it. Regarding effective punches.

Icb, who did you think won the cotto vs margarito match?

Just wonder. Everyone says that cotto threw the much cleaner and effective crisper punches...but then look what happened to him, he gassed out and didnt have anything left, he buckled.

Look at how hopkins is gassing for air from the 8th round. Something from calzaghe mustve been hitting hopkins whether you saw it or not, because hopkins (who has very good stamina as proven by the fight with pavlik) was gassing for air after the 8th round.

Dont get me wrong, i dont think for a moment that it was a clear win for calzaghe. It was anything but a clear win, i had calzaghe winning it by only 1-2 rounds infact. I can see how people might have had it as a draw as well or even a hopkins win by a round. I cant see how anyone couldve given the fight to calzaghe by more than 3 rounds though.

I seem to remember that calzaghe did catch hopkins with a nice combo in (i think) the 9th round and it looked like hopkins was rocked from it, he clinched after that anyway and started gassing in the clinch.

The one thing you have to say is odd, if nothing was landing (and i totally agree that calzaghe's punches did not look clean except maybe a few in the whole fight) but they mustve been doing something to hopkins because the guy who has found an answer how to deal with tarver, wright and school pavlik was left gassing for air after the 8th round against calzaghe.

Just as margarito's swinging and non-crisp, non-straight punches totally fukd up cotto. Calzaghe's punches mustve done something to hopkins for him to be gassed out by round 8.

People place far too much emphasis on 'crisp, clean, straight' punches on here. Look at how cotto was worn down and battered by margarito...cotto hit marg with beautiful displays of punches, crisp solid punches...but they did f all to him.

Something calzaghe did in the fight with hopkins fukd him up, had him gassing for air from round 8. The same with kessler, something calzaghe does against fighters of top quality has them gassing and gasping for air as former shells of themselves in the later rounds of the fight, so he must be doing something right?

Im not saying Calzaghe didn't put effective pressure on, he did put good effective pressure on and was keeping his arm's pumping, but he wasn't landing that many clean punches and most of the punches were ineffective. But i give credit to Calzaghe he took the fight to Hopkins, walked through some solid right hands. And kept trying take away play away from Hopkins.

I think Hopkins made a mistake not fighting on the inside as much, Calzaghe has struggled in rough fights on the inside. Against lesser opponents like Reid, Bika, Salem, Hopkins is much more skilled than all of those fighters combined. I think he should of stood his groud more and made it more of a physical fight on the inside. Instead of keep using his legs which also tired him combined with Calzaghe's pressure. But like i said i have no problem with Calzaghe getting the nod, he was the busier fighter and seem to want it more at the end. But RBR wise with the knockdown i thought Hopkins edged it by a point.

But theres big difference with Cotto vs Margarito, Margarito was landing some good solid punches on the inside. especially with the uppercuts all you have to do is look at Cotto's face after the fight then look at Hopkins face after the fight. Plus Cotto isn't as good as Hopkins defense wise, so thats why Margarito was able to land more effective punches, and plus Cotto took more risks which allowed Margarito more chances to land which wasn't the case with Hopkins vs Calzaghe. As for who i had winning the fight i think the fight was pretty much even, going into the 11th. And i thought Cotto won majority of the early rounds, but he faded badly after the 6th round and got beat up on the inside by a bigger/stronger fighter.

[C.J.Rock]

Joe doesnt do rematches?

Then what the f*ck was the second Veit fight and all about then?

That was a more worthless rematch than a Hopkins one as he blew Veit out in the first round of the original, to be fair to Veit he did work his way back up the rankings to become mandatory again.

I think its just a matter of Joe feeling hes finally earned recognition and it may well have taken an edge off his tenacity, hes already decided hes retiring.

Tbh i think joe might be a bit scared.

I believe joe when he says that his heart isnt in boxing anymore and he just wants to fight roy jones jnr for his last fight in madison sq.

But i just dont think he wants to face hopkins again. He knows how tough it was the first time and that he only won by a very narrow decission, he knows that it could be harder this time round even because hopkins will simply go for broke against him (if its both their last fights).

I cant see calzaghe wanting the rematch at all.

Calzaghe KNOWS himself that if he ever gets in the ring with hopkins again his 0 is GONE!!!!!!!!!

[Kel]

Joe doesnt do rematches?

Then what the f*ck was the second Veit fight and all about then?

That was a more worthless rematch than a Hopkins one as he blew Veit out in the first round of the original, to be fair to Veit he did work his way back up the rankings to become mandatory again.

I think its just a matter of Joe feeling hes finally earned recognition and it may well have taken an edge off his tenacity, hes already decided hes retiring.

Tbh i think joe might be a bit scared.

I believe joe when he says that his heart isnt in boxing anymore and he just wants to fight roy jones jnr for his last fight in madison sq.

But i just dont think he wants to face hopkins again. He knows how tough it was the first time and that he only won by a very narrow decission, he knows that it could be harder this time round even because hopkins will simply go for broke against him (if its both their last fights).

I cant see calzaghe wanting the rematch at all.

Calzaghe KNOWS himself that if he ever gets in the ring with hopkins again his 0 is GONE!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, also if he did beat Hopkins again, you can bet your arse he KNOWS he wont win a third

[ross]

[something calzaghe does against fighters of top quality has them gassing and gasping for air as former shells of themselves in the later rounds of the fight, so he must be doing something right?

He fights hard, no one can keep up with him and when he does get hit clean, he either walks through it or gets up and gives it back harder, he makes people think twice about throwing a shot for fear of being countered and half a dozen punches landing on their head.

If Calzaghe fought Dawson, I agree its about the hardest fight out their for Joe but Dawson looks like a fighter Joe could out box.

[Bx730NY]

Reading some of this makes me very confused. You would have to be blind not to see how clearly Joe beat bernard. He had him faking low blows and fighting extremely dirty just to survive until the final bell.

Joe made his adjustments around the 4th round and it was over for hopkins from there. There's no way Joe should give him the satisfaction of a rematch after seeing how dirty hopkins is and what a bad sport he is by not giving him any credit what so ever for beating him soundly.

At most i'd say you could only have Joe Calzaghe winning by 2 points, i had Bernard Hopkins winning based on the knockdown. Opinion's varied on the fight, i liked Bernard Hopkins cleaner, harder, more effective punches.

Joe Calzaghe did throw and land more, but how many of those punches were effective ? can you even really name one good punch Joe Calzaghe landed in the entire fight ? because i can only remember one decent straight left hand, and one good body shot from Joe Calzaghe and thats about it. Regarding effective punches.

I think you should reconsider watching that fight without sound. I thought I remember you saying Marquez beat Pac too despite the Knockdowns. They don't mean much when you refuse to fight because you're under constant pressure like the one Joe put on hopkins.

You can argue all day and all night that he wasn't landing alot of effective punches but all you have to do is look at hopkins to know what effect they were having. Why didn't hopkins open up like he did with Pavlik, Tito and dlh? Because those were all smaller guys and he knew he could overpower them.

The most popular excuse of today is when guys say."I don't know why i just couldn't get off. It wasn't my night".

Translation for that, the other guy had a much better game plan and/or is a better fighter period. No way that fight with Joe and bernard was up in the air unless your a hopkins fan and have money riding on him.

[ICB]

Reading some of this makes me very confused. You would have to be blind not to see how clearly Joe beat bernard. He had him faking low blows and fighting extremely dirty just to survive until the final bell.

Joe made his adjustments around the 4th round and it was over for hopkins from there. There's no way Joe should give him the satisfaction of a rematch after seeing how dirty hopkins is and what a bad sport he is by not giving him any credit what so ever for beating him soundly.

At most i'd say you could only have Joe Calzaghe winning by 2 points, i had Bernard Hopkins winning based on the knockdown. Opinion's varied on the fight, i liked Bernard Hopkins cleaner, harder, more effective punches.

Joe Calzaghe did throw and land more, but how many of those punches were effective ? can you even really name one good punch Joe Calzaghe landed in the entire fight ? because i can only remember one decent straight left hand, and one good body shot from Joe Calzaghe and thats about it. Regarding effective punches.

I think you should reconsider watching that fight without sound. I thought I remember you saying Marquez beat Pac too despite the Knockdowns. They don't mean much when you refuse to fight because you're under constant pressure like the one Joe put on hopkins.

You can argue all day and all night that he wasn't landing alot of effective punches but all you have to do is look at hopkins to know what effect they were having. Why didn't hopkins open up like he did with Pavlik, Tito and dlh? Because those were all smaller guys and he knew he could overpower them.

The most popular excuse of today is when guys say."I don't know why i just couldn't get off. It wasn't my night".

Translation for that, the other guy had a much better game plan and/or is a better fighter period. No way that fight with Joe and bernard was up in the air unless your a hopkins fan and have money riding on him.

Im not really gonna debate this because my other posts, pretty much say it all. But i've seen the fight twice with and without sound, and i would rather be totured than watch the fight again.

[Bx730NY]

At most i'd say you could only have Joe Calzaghe winning by 2 points, i had Bernard Hopkins winning based on the knockdown. Opinion's varied on the fight, i liked Bernard Hopkins cleaner, harder, more effective punches.

Joe Calzaghe did throw and land more, but how many of those punches were effective ? can you even really name one good punch Joe Calzaghe landed in the entire fight ? because i can only remember one decent straight left hand, and one good body shot from Joe Calzaghe and thats about it. Regarding effective punches.

I think you should reconsider watching that fight without sound. I thought I remember you saying Marquez beat Pac too despite the Knockdowns. They don't mean much when you refuse to fight because you're under constant pressure like the one Joe put on hopkins.

You can argue all day and all night that he wasn't landing alot of effective punches but all you have to do is look at hopkins to know what effect they were having. Why didn't hopkins open up like he did with Pavlik, Tito and dlh? Because those were all smaller guys and he knew he could overpower them.

The most popular excuse of today is when guys say."I don't know why i just couldn't get off. It wasn't my night".

Translation for that, the other guy had a much better game plan and/or is a better fighter period. No way that fight with Joe and bernard was up in the air unless your a hopkins fan and have money riding on him.

Im not really gonna debate this because my other posts, pretty much say it all. But i've seen the fight twice with and without sound, and i would rather be totured than watch the fight again.

lol. I don't blame you for not ever wanting to see it again. Now tell me who made that fight so bad and unwatchable. It sure wasn't Joe.

[Hulk]

Thats right its off. Cus Jones is gonna beat his ass come November 8th.

[Kel]

Thats right its off. Cus Jones is gonna beat his ass come November 8th.

Want a bet?

[Pugilistic]

I think you should reconsider watching that fight without sound. I thought I remember you saying Marquez beat Pac too despite the Knockdowns. They don't mean much when you refuse to fight because you're under constant pressure like the one Joe put on hopkins.

You can argue all day and all night that he wasn't landing alot of effective punches but all you have to do is look at hopkins to know what effect they were having. Why didn't hopkins open up like he did with Pavlik, Tito and dlh? Because those were all smaller guys and he knew he could overpower them.

The most popular excuse of today is when guys say."I don't know why i just couldn't get off. It wasn't my night".

Translation for that, the other guy had a much better game plan and/or is a better fighter period. No way that fight with Joe and bernard was up in the air unless your a hopkins fan and have money riding on him.

Im not really gonna debate this because my other posts, pretty much say it all. But i've seen the fight twice with and without sound, and i would rather be totured than watch the fight again.

lol. I don't blame you for not ever wanting to see it again. Now tell me who made that fight so bad and unwatchable. It sure wasn't Joe.

It takes two to tango.

Joe's windmill slaps weren't exactly pleasing either.

[Bx730NY]

Im not really gonna debate this because my other posts, pretty much say it all. But i've seen the fight twice with and without sound, and i would rather be totured than watch the fight again.

lol. I don't blame you for not ever wanting to see it again. Now tell me who made that fight so bad and unwatchable. It sure wasn't Joe.

It takes two to tango.

Joe's windmill slaps weren't exactly pleasing either.

He had to fight like that just to get off. hopkins was leading with his head and if you anything about fighting then you know that you commiting to hard punches against a guy leading with his head could get you hurt badly and cut and everything else.

[alithegreatest786]

typical, hopkins on revenge mission and denied

[Trainer Monkey]

Joe doesnt do rematches?

Then what the f*ck was the second Veit fight and all about then?

That was a more worthless rematch than a Hopkins one as he blew Veit out in the first round of the original, to be fair to Veit he did work his way back up the rankings to become mandatory again.

I think its just a matter of Joe feeling hes finally earned recognition and it may well have taken an edge off his tenacity, hes already decided hes retiring.

Tbh i think joe might be a bit scared.


I believe joe when he says that his heart isnt in boxing anymore and he just wants to fight roy jones jnr for his last fight in madison sq.

But i just dont think he wants to face hopkins again. He knows how tough it was the first time and that he only won by a very narrow decission, he knows that it could be harder this time round even because hopkins will simply go for broke against him (if its both their last fights).This is an example of why I cant stand Joe.
Ive got a fighter, who desperately wants to avenge a close loss rather then fight anyone else
Joe should be wanting to prove he really won,because alot of people dont think he did.
But he'd rather take Roy Jones walker away from him long enough to beat him up.
I hear he also kicks puppies,and takes candy from babies.

I cant see calzaghe wanting the rematch at all.

This is an example of why I cant stand Joe.
Ive got a fighter, who desperately wants to avenge a close loss rather then fight anyone else
Joe should be wanting to prove he really won,because alot of people dont think he did.
But he'd rather take Roy Jones walker away from him long enough to beat him up.
I hear he also kicks puppies,and takes candy from babies.

[Pugilistic]

lol. I don't blame you for not ever wanting to see it again. Now tell me who made that fight so bad and unwatchable. It sure wasn't Joe.

It takes two to tango.

Joe's windmill slaps weren't exactly pleasing either.

He had to fight like that just to get off. hopkins was leading with his head and if you anything about fighting then you know that you commiting to hard punches against a guy leading with his head could get you hurt badly and cut and everything else.

Calzaghe hasn't committed to punching for a long time, that had nothing to do with Hopkins style.