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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    I am a Calzagh fan but in truth his style is IMO these guys go about fighting him all wrong.....A fighter who goes in uses his jab as his primary weapon..roughs Joe up and makes it physical when Joe gets close...Ties him up often....Is the guy who will beat Calzaghe.....

    Sooner or later one of these guys will come in and follow a game plan...Jones could have done it last night but for some reason forgot you have to actually throw punches to win fights....
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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    Quote Originally Posted by RP33 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    All I'll say is mate, if you don't like Calzaghe for his oppostion, check out who Jones fought throughout his reign at SMW and LHW And check out who B-Hop fought through 10 years as MW champion and tell me you like them because of their opposition
    First off, this was not the question at hand, we're talking about Joe.. So, if you have to defend Joe in that fashion, by comparing his resume to someone elses resume who you consider not so good, then you're already scraping the bottom of the bucket..

    It's pretty damn clear that his opposition was less than mediocre in his prime, that is NOT even debatable..

    Jones and Hopkins CLEARLY had much better opposition in their prime.. without even going through names, they had a LOT more exciting careers as far as big fights..
    This is Hopkins Prime opposition during his reign at Middleweight. Care to revise that statement?

    Robert Allen THREE TIMES
    William Joppy

    Morrade Hakkar
    Carl Daniels
    Keith Holmes
    Antwon Echols TWICE
    Syd Vanderpool
    Simon Brown
    Andrrew Council
    John David Jackson
    William Bo James
    Joe Lipsey
    Glen Johnson
    Steve Frank
    Segundo Mercado

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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    Being a huge fan of James Toney I can't help but wish he was back in the Light Heavy or Super Middle weight division right now. I think a fight between him and Joe would be outstanding. I think both would push each other to the limits and it would be a great fight. I think it would be allot better of a fight then both the Roy vs Joe fight and the bhop vs Joe fight.

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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    I think Dawson would give him toughest fight. I doubt Joe wants to take that risk, because I can see it now...."Chad Dawson is a nobody what has he done"....

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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RP33 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    All I'll say is mate, if you don't like Calzaghe for his oppostion, check out who Jones fought throughout his reign at SMW and LHW And check out who B-Hop fought through 10 years as MW champion and tell me you like them because of their opposition
    First off, this was not the question at hand, we're talking about Joe.. So, if you have to defend Joe in that fashion, by comparing his resume to someone elses resume who you consider not so good, then you're already scraping the bottom of the bucket..

    It's pretty damn clear that his opposition was less than mediocre in his prime, that is NOT even debatable..

    Jones and Hopkins CLEARLY had much better opposition in their prime.. without even going through names, they had a LOT more exciting careers as far as big fights..
    This is Hopkins Prime opposition during his reign at Middleweight. Care to revise that statement?

    Robert Allen THREE TIMES
    William Joppy

    Morrade Hakkar
    Carl Daniels
    Keith Holmes
    Antwon Echols TWICE
    Syd Vanderpool
    Simon Brown
    Andrrew Council
    John David Jackson
    William Bo James
    Joe Lipsey
    Glen Johnson
    Steve Frank
    Segundo Mercado
    That list is better then what Calzaghe faced.
    Antwon Echols was a dangerous fighter in his prime, Council was a good fighter, John David Jackson was a good fighter, Glen Johnson was and is a very good fighter thats when he was still the undefeated version of Glen Johnson.

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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wadeb_21 View Post
    Being a huge fan of James Toney I can't help but wish he was back in the Light Heavy or Super Middle weight division right now. I think a fight between him and Joe would be outstanding. I think both would push each other to the limits and it would be a great fight. I think it would be allot better of a fight then both the Roy vs Joe fight and the bhop vs Joe fight.
    Are you kidding me? James Toney at this stage can't react to Samuel Peters' speed let alone Joe Calzaghe's.

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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    If Calzaghe punches like a girl what does that make the poeple who cant live with him?

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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Kelly Pavlik if he can hit Calzaghe, he hits way harder then Hopkins or Jones at this point in their career, I think he has the power to take Calzaghe out, but Calzaghe is way faster and I can't see Pavlik winning this unless he is capable of landing shots.

    Glen Johnson: I think he is the best bet, he has the best chin around this weight division, he can match Calzaghe's output, he has that same will to walk through anything, and he hits harder then Calzaghe.

    Chad Dawson: I am guessing Calzaghe might impose his will on Chad Dawson, but Chad held up well against Glen Johnson who puts the same kind of pressure on you, but hits harder then Calzaghe, and is much better body puncher. I think Chad Dawson has the speed edge, he's bigger then Calzaghe, and he's got a high output. I think its a good matchup.
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    There may not be someone out there who could beat Joe Calzaghe, but if so it would be either Glen Johnson or Chad Dawson.

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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    At LHW I'd say Dawson and Cloud might be able to give Calzaghe a better fight than Hopkins or Kessler did.

    And call me crazy but Taylor, if he beats Lacy convincingly, brings a lot of positives into a Calzaghe fight.

    1. Taylor fights to the level of his competition, meaning we might see the best version of Taylor in the ring against Joe

    2. Taylor is fast, strong, and awkward in the ring. He won't be able to outwork Joe so he'd have to slow Joe down by giving him something to think about (like Hopkins did the first four rounds against Joe).

    3. Most importantly... Taylor's been beaten before. Twice. Once by KO, once by UD. He's got nothing to lose that he hasn't already had taken from him. I think mentally this could make him more fearless in the ring, since he knows that the only thing he's got to lose is the fight itself. Not his pride, not his undefeated record, not his career. I think against Calzaghe we'd see him put it all out there for 12 rounds... yes, even if he's gassed... unlike RJJ and Hopkins, who had nothing, physically or mentally... down the stretch.

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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    To me right now nobody. Calzaghe is at the top of his game his speed and defense are insane at this point. Jones still has speed and couldn't hit him with anything. Cloud is way too slow Calzaghe would be in and out all night long. Dawson is probably the best bet but the expierence level is much too great at this point. I just can't see anybody beating Joe. He should just fight Froch put him away then retire.

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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RP33 View Post

    First off, this was not the question at hand, we're talking about Joe.. So, if you have to defend Joe in that fashion, by comparing his resume to someone elses resume who you consider not so good, then you're already scraping the bottom of the bucket..

    It's pretty damn clear that his opposition was less than mediocre in his prime, that is NOT even debatable..

    Jones and Hopkins CLEARLY had much better opposition in their prime.. without even going through names, they had a LOT more exciting careers as far as big fights..
    This is Hopkins Prime opposition during his reign at Middleweight. Care to revise that statement?

    Robert Allen THREE TIMES
    William Joppy
    Morrade Hakkar
    Carl Daniels
    Keith Holmes
    Antwon Echols TWICE
    Syd Vanderpool
    Simon Brown
    Andrrew Council
    John David Jackson
    William Bo James
    Joe Lipsey
    Glen Johnson
    Steve Frank
    Segundo Mercado
    That list is better then what Calzaghe faced.
    Antwon Echols was a dangerous fighter in his prime, Council was a good fighter, John David Jackson was a good fighter, Glen Johnson was and is a very good fighter thats when he was still the undefeated version of Glen Johnson.
    Big H, why didn't you list Trinidad in that list? Just curious..

    In his prime, he faced better opposition, no doubt..

    Even past his prime, in the last few years, he's fought De la hoya, Taylor twice (two close decisions), Tarver, Winky, and an up and comer in Pavlik..

    Compared to, Lacy, Kessler, Bika, Manfredo, Roy Jones of late for Calzaghe..

    There is no comparison.

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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    Kelly Pavlik and Carl Froch IMO

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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RP33 View Post

    First off, this was not the question at hand, we're talking about Joe.. So, if you have to defend Joe in that fashion, by comparing his resume to someone elses resume who you consider not so good, then you're already scraping the bottom of the bucket..

    It's pretty damn clear that his opposition was less than mediocre in his prime, that is NOT even debatable..

    Jones and Hopkins CLEARLY had much better opposition in their prime.. without even going through names, they had a LOT more exciting careers as far as big fights..
    Johnson was never anything special until he beat Jones. Back in the day Johnson lost to guys like Omar Sheika

    This is Hopkins Prime opposition during his reign at Middleweight. Care to revise that statement?

    Robert Allen THREE TIMES
    William Joppy
    Morrade Hakkar
    Carl Daniels
    Keith Holmes
    Antwon Echols TWICE
    Syd Vanderpool
    Simon Brown
    Andrrew Council
    John David Jackson
    William Bo James
    Joe Lipsey
    Glen Johnson
    Steve Frank
    Segundo Mercado
    That list is better then what Calzaghe faced.
    Antwon Echols was a dangerous fighter in his prime, Council was a good fighter, John David Jackson was a good fighter, Glen Johnson was and is a very good fighter thats when he was still the undefeated version of Glen Johnson.
    Johnson wasnt anything special until he beat Jones. He lost to guys like Omar Sheika back then

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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    Lol maybe he got robbed against Omar Sheika. Besides in he taking boxing seriously for a bit, since then he has been very solid, but he has been robbed numourous times.

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    Default Re: As of right now, who could beat Calzaghe?

    Carl Froch has the tools to give Calzaghe real trouble.Froch has raw power in both hands and has the youth too.
    Last edited by yvonne; 11-10-2008 at 09:05 PM.

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