How are blacks treated in the UK?

[Mikkel_K]

You should be fine then. Just talk about hockey and beer and you'll fit right in.

Damn,Im an Islanders fan,so therefore dont wish to discuss Hockey

The Islanders are a terrible franchise. They can't do anything right. The Dipeitro (sp) contract is going to be an albatros, and what they did at the draft this year would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. Trading a top 5 pick, which Toronto used to draft stud defenseman Luc Schenn, then trading the #7 pick to Nashville for the #9 pick, and drafting Josh Bailey!?! As a Canucks fans I was overjoyed that they didn't take Hodgson (who is destroying the OHL), but I felt so sorry for Islanders fans at that point.

Having watched a number of Islanders-games this season, I actually think Bailey is gonna be good. Maybe still a bad deal by the management, but if Bailey pans out like he looks like he will, then worse decisions must surely have been made. Especially as they got a couple of extra picks out of it too.

Also, considering how bad, they are supposed to be, they do pretty good at the moment.
[So is Vancouver!]

Anyway, way off-topic for a discussion on the treatment of the blacks in the UK...

[ono]

We shout things at them and hit them with sticks
















We don't really. I'd like to think equally, altho i can't imagine that's the case up and down the country. Some people have some crazy ways of thinking. It's quite scary. I watched 'This is England' last night and it's scary to think that some people think like that. It's such a powerful film because i think everybody knows somebody who shares similar sort of opinions to the crazy skin head in the film....maybe not as extreme but stil..

I just think skin colour is a random thing to pick up on. It's almost as random as hair colour and eye colour, except skin colour is more obvious.

I'll never understand how people can be grouped together and labelled like that. The fact that you've started this thread suggests that it's a common conception.

My dad for example....

I was talking to my next door neighbours boyfriend who is black. Anyway it was the first time i'd met him and he came across as a nice lad. When i went inside i turned to my dad and said 'he's a nice lad int he' and he replied 'yeah i don't have a problem with any of them'

It's scary. I wouldn't even really consider him racist but in his head he had definitely created an 'us and them' mentality.

I really don't think the media help. I remember reading a paper a few months ago and a black man had stabbed somebody to death and it was front page news, with 3 or 4 follow on pages about it. Then somewhere in the middle of the paper was a tiny 2 paragraph column about a white man who had stabbed somebody and put them in intensive care. Imagine the chaos that that headline can create. Obviously that's what sells papers and makes them money but you have to question the mentality such headlines instill.

[CFH]

Damn,Im an Islanders fan,so therefore dont wish to discuss Hockey

The Islanders are a terrible franchise. They can't do anything right. The Dipeitro (sp) contract is going to be an albatros, and what they did at the draft this year would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. Trading a top 5 pick, which Toronto used to draft stud defenseman Luc Schenn, then trading the #7 pick to Nashville for the #9 pick, and drafting Josh Bailey!?! As a Canucks fans I was overjoyed that they didn't take Hodgson (who is destroying the OHL), but I felt so sorry for Islanders fans at that point.

Having watched a number of Islanders-games this season, I actually think Bailey is gonna be good. Maybe still a bad deal by the management, but if Bailey pans out like he looks like he will, then worse decisions must surely have been made. Especially as they got a couple of extra picks out of it too.

Also, considering how bad, they are supposed to be, they do pretty good at the moment.
[So is Vancouver!]

Anyway, way off-topic for a discussion on the treatment of the blacks in the UK...

Bailey will be good, he's a good prospect, but considering the Islanders had the opportunity to take one of Schenn, Filatov, Wilson, Hodgson, or even Beach instead, it was a bad move IMO. It did gain them more pics in a somewhat deep draft, but passing on those blue-chippers will haunt them someday.

But yeah, this has nothing to do with the thread, so we can pick it up in the NHL thread if you want.

[hfahrenheit]

Actually you need one to.
American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y

None of this,

"American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y"

disproves my point. All that "routine" behavior is completely typical of how human beings treat those that are "enslaved" to them. Because of the time period, their standard of living, (however sh$tty), was still better than those that came before them.

There is no historical data other than that associated with Nazi's, and the Bible (if you accept it as a credible source) that concludes or says that any group of people had it worse than the Jews.

But, you're the one who's going to give me a history lesson, so let's have all of your evidence that disproves anything I just stated.

Also, to the original point of the thread, there's never been a time in history when a conquered people (slaves), were freed because of the conscience of their captors, and then (this part is the exception; the slaves did not lead the revolt as in previous slave wars), the captors go to war with each other over their emancipation and consequently over 618,000 die. So I give kudos to the people of that century for having the presence of mind to end a brutal human practice, but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all. Just think, without slavery, they'd still be on the wonderful continent of Africa. As truly glorious as I'm sure some places in Africa are, I don't see any mass movement of blacks back to Africa. They live in the greatest country in history and are afforded the greatest opportunity history- they should be thankful everyday for the sacrifices that put them here, just like everybody else who lives here.

Actually Sierra Leone and Liberia were founded by freed slaves

Fair enough, but compared to the numbers that stayed, it wouldn't necessarily be called "mass", (moot point if you ask me). However, I wasn't as specific as I should have been- I'm talking about current population trends, as I meant there are no current trends of mass movement to Africa by the descendants of slaves.

[hfahrenheit]

Truth be told, the American slaves were the best treated in history- doesn't make it right, but it speaks to your statement about the treatment of blacks.

This is a very shitty thing to say. That's like saying the woman who was raped and kissed on the cheek was treated better than the woman who was raped and dumped in an alley. I don't think either would equate anything about the whole experience as being treated "better".

Ask any one of those slaves who were dumped in the Atlantic ocean if they thought they were getting a better shake. Ask the one who was hobbled to keep him from running away. Ask the one who was raped repeatedly by her master or ask the one who was lynched for some minor offense, either real or imaginary. No, the word "better" does not apply.

If you would read all the posts you would see that this statement was clarified. The word "better" implies a sense of humanity that was definitely not intended, I was making a point about how they, because of the time period, had a better standard of living than any other previous enslaved group, and is probably much like how the modern enslaved (Sudan, Indonesia, Middle East) are living now.

[Trainer Monkey]

None of this,

"American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y"

disproves my point. All that "routine" behavior is completely typical of how human beings treat those that are "enslaved" to them. Because of the time period, their standard of living, (however sh$tty), was still better than those that came before them.

There is no historical data other than that associated with Nazi's, and the Bible (if you accept it as a credible source) that concludes or says that any group of people had it worse than the Jews.

But, you're the one who's going to give me a history lesson, so let's have all of your evidence that disproves anything I just stated.

Also, to the original point of the thread, there's never been a time in history when a conquered people (slaves), were freed because of the conscience of their captors, and then (this part is the exception; the slaves did not lead the revolt as in previous slave wars), the captors go to war with each other over their emancipation and consequently over 618,000 die. So I give kudos to the people of that century for having the presence of mind to end a brutal human practice, but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all. Just think, without slavery, they'd still be on the wonderful continent of Africa. As truly glorious as I'm sure some places in Africa are, I don't see any mass movement of blacks back to Africa. They live in the greatest country in history and are afforded the greatest opportunity history- they should be thankful everyday for the sacrifices that put them here, just like everybody else who lives here.

Actually Sierra Leone and Liberia were founded by freed slaves

Fair enough, but compared to the numbers that stayed, it wouldn't necessarily be called "mass", (moot point if you ask me). However, I wasn't as specific as I should have been- I'm talking about current population trends, as I meant there are no current trends of mass movement to Africa by the descendants of slaves.

Even if you could afford to move to Africa,which most African Americans cant, why would you?
You dont speak the language,there's political strife over most of the continent thanks to most of the puppet governments the US and Britain set up. And its hotter then hell.
I know something about this,I lived in Florida for a year,and even that was like landing on a different planet.

[Wayne]

Truth be told, the American slaves were the best treated in history- doesn't make it right, but it speaks to your statement about the treatment of blacks.

This is a very shitty thing to say. That's like saying the woman who was raped and kissed on the cheek was treated better than the woman who was raped and dumped in an alley. I don't think either would equate anything about the whole experience as being treated "better".

Ask any one of those slaves who were dumped in the Atlantic ocean if they thought they were getting a better shake. Ask the one who was hobbled to keep him from running away. Ask the one who was raped repeatedly by her master or ask the one who was lynched for some minor offense, either real or imaginary. No, the word "better" does not apply.

If you would read all the posts you would see that this statement was clarified. The word "better" implies a sense of humanity that was definitely not intended, I was making a point about how they, because of the time period, had a better standard of living than any other previous enslaved group, and is probably much like how the modern enslaved (Sudan, Indonesia, Middle East) are living now.

I'll say it again: that's the same thing as saying a woman who was raped in her own bed was treated better than the woman who was raped in an alley. The word 'better' hardly seems appropriate in such a terrible situation. I read all the posts, I know exactly what you meant. I'm not implying anything about you, I'm simply stating the word 'better' is inappropriate.

[hfahrenheit]

Also, to the original point of the thread[/b], there's never been a time in history when a conquered people (slaves), were freed because of the conscience of their captors, and then (this part is the exception; the slaves did not lead the revolt as in previous slave wars), the captors go to war with each other over their emancipation and consequently over 618,000 die. So I give kudos to the people of that century for having the presence of mind to end a brutal human practice, but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment

I'm sorry to be gruesome here, but some people need to have the blindfold stripped from their eyes...

Emmitt Till 1955 before:



And after:



Rodney King-1991:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROn_9302UHg
Malice Green-1992:



James Byrd-1998:



Brandon McClelland-2008:



The word "whining" used in this context is just as irresponsible as saying racism in America is "over". The fact we have a black president doesn't change as much as you think. Sure it's not every white person and neither would I imply as such, just like I can't dispute that some black people aren't whiners. But those people are no different than their white counterparts who also grab onto anything to complain about, proclaiming the world is somehow against them. To apply such an unqualified generalization about black people, cemented by the citing of our 44th president's ethnicity is deeply offensive. But I suppose you may sweep me into the pile of those "whiners".

What metaphorical "blindfold" are you talking about? The one you're wearing? Show me all the pictures of brutality you want, as I said before, humans treat other humans like shit when they cease to assign any humanity to them, the heinous treatment of black people is no different than the heinous treatment of blacks to whites or Mexicans to El Salvadorans or whatever example of any demographic against another.
Within in the last month or so, locally, there was a white lady who was raped and beaten to death in her home and all the guy took was her purse. So, seemingly he raped and beat her to death just for her purse. Now how is that example of cruelty and brutality any different than any other on the planet? It's not. I'll agree with you and say that children are a special category, but any example of cruelty or brutality stemming from someone's social class, race, or religious/sexual preference is all universally the same thing.

I realize this is an emotional issue, and perhaps it's emotion that keeps you from accurately reading what I've written...

"but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."

this isn't a generalization, this is very specific. "I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment AND all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."

I honestly can't see what you're missing here so I'll break it down for you:

i'm saying that I find fault with black people in today's society that cite mistreatment as the reason they can't be successful, and use the President-elect as an example that black people can attain anything they want in America, that's it's not a problem of opportunity.

Not to be redundant, but just so we're clear, I'm exclusively talking about only the aforementioned black people, not all black people. Once again, if you had bothered to read the other posts, I mentioned that my last four bosses were black, and they're definitely successful people, and the funny thing is, most of what I have to say comes from them.

In the future, please read everything carefully before you find anything "deeply offensive" and allow your emotions to get the better of you, and allow you to read things that just aren't there.

So I look at your photo's and video's above and I see terrible, unforgivable things that are universal, unique to no one, and are as old as time.

[Trainer Monkey]

Also, to the original point of the thread[/b], there's never been a time in history when a conquered people (slaves), were freed because of the conscience of their captors, and then (this part is the exception; the slaves did not lead the revolt as in previous slave wars), the captors go to war with each other over their emancipation and consequently over 618,000 die. So I give kudos to the people of that century for having the presence of mind to end a brutal human practice, but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment

I'm sorry to be gruesome here, but some people need to have the blindfold stripped from their eyes...

Emmitt Till 1955 before:



And after:



Rodney King-1991:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROn_9302UHgMalice Green-1992:



James Byrd-1998:



Brandon McClelland-2008:



The word "whining" used in this context is just as irresponsible as saying racism in America is "over". The fact we have a black president doesn't change as much as you think. Sure it's not every white person and neither would I imply as such, just like I can't dispute that some black people aren't whiners. But those people are no different than their white counterparts who also grab onto anything to complain about, proclaiming the world is somehow against them. To apply such an unqualified generalization about black people, cemented by the citing of our 44th president's ethnicity is deeply offensive. But I suppose you may sweep me into the pile of those "whiners".

What metaphorical "blindfold" are you talking about? The one you're wearing? Show me all the pictures of brutality you want, as I said before, humans treat other humans like shit when they cease to assign any humanity to them, the heinous treatment of black people is no different than the heinous treatment of blacks to whites or Mexicans to El Salvadorans or whatever example of any demographic against another.
Within in the last month or so, locally, there was a white lady who was raped and beaten to death in her home and all the guy took was her purse. So, seemingly he raped and beat her to death just for her purse. Now how is that example of cruelty and brutality any different than any other on the planet? It's not. I'll agree with you and say that children are a special category, but any example of cruelty or brutality stemming from someone's social class, race, or religious/sexual preference is all universally the same thing.

I realize this is an emotional issue, and perhaps it's emotion that keeps you from accurately reading what I've written...

"but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."

this isn't a generalization, this is very specific. "I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment AND all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."

I honestly can't see what you're missing here so I'll break it down for you:

i'm saying that I find fault with black people in today's society that cite mistreatment as the reason they can't be successful, and use the President-elect as an example that black people can attain anything they want in America, that's it's not a problem of opportunity.

Not to be redundant, but just so we're clear, I'm exclusively talking about only the aforementioned black people, not all black people. Once again, if you had bothered to read the other posts, I mentioned that my last four bosses were black, and they're definitely successful people, and the funny thing is, most of what I have to say comes from them.

In the future, please read everything carefully before you find anything "deeply offensive" and allow your emotions to get the better of you, and allow you to read things that just aren't there.

So I look at your photo's and video's above and I see terrible, unforgivable things that are universal, unique to no one, and are as old as time.

See here's where we run in to a problem
There isnt an official "Get Whitey League"
But there is a Klan
And an Aryan Nations
And A Christian Posse Comitatus

[hfahrenheit]

I'm sorry to be gruesome here, but some people need to have the blindfold stripped from their eyes...

Emmitt Till 1955 before:



And after:



Rodney King-1991:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROn_9302UHgMalice Green-1992:



James Byrd-1998:



Brandon McClelland-2008:



The word "whining" used in this context is just as irresponsible as saying racism in America is "over". The fact we have a black president doesn't change as much as you think. Sure it's not every white person and neither would I imply as such, just like I can't dispute that some black people aren't whiners. But those people are no different than their white counterparts who also grab onto anything to complain about, proclaiming the world is somehow against them. To apply such an unqualified generalization about black people, cemented by the citing of our 44th president's ethnicity is deeply offensive. But I suppose you may sweep me into the pile of those "whiners".

What metaphorical "blindfold" are you talking about? The one you're wearing? Show me all the pictures of brutality you want, as I said before, humans treat other humans like shit when they cease to assign any humanity to them, the heinous treatment of black people is no different than the heinous treatment of blacks to whites or Mexicans to El Salvadorans or whatever example of any demographic against another.
Within in the last month or so, locally, there was a white lady who was raped and beaten to death in her home and all the guy took was her purse. So, seemingly he raped and beat her to death just for her purse. Now how is that example of cruelty and brutality any different than any other on the planet? It's not. I'll agree with you and say that children are a special category, but any example of cruelty or brutality stemming from someone's social class, race, or religious/sexual preference is all universally the same thing.

I realize this is an emotional issue, and perhaps it's emotion that keeps you from accurately reading what I've written...

"but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."

this isn't a generalization, this is very specific. "I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment AND all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."

I honestly can't see what you're missing here so I'll break it down for you:

i'm saying that I find fault with black people in today's society that cite mistreatment as the reason they can't be successful, and use the President-elect as an example that black people can attain anything they want in America, that's it's not a problem of opportunity.

Not to be redundant, but just so we're clear, I'm exclusively talking about only the aforementioned black people, not all black people. Once again, if you had bothered to read the other posts, I mentioned that my last four bosses were black, and they're definitely successful people, and the funny thing is, most of what I have to say comes from them.

In the future, please read everything carefully before you find anything "deeply offensive" and allow your emotions to get the better of you, and allow you to read things that just aren't there.

So I look at your photo's and video's above and I see terrible, unforgivable things that are universal, unique to no one, and are as old as time.

See here's where we run in to a problem
There isnt an official "Get Whitey League"
But there is a Klan
And an Aryan Nations
And A Christian Posse Comitatus

LOL- the CPC, are they still around? Just in prisons?

Based on the per ca pita black on white crime vs. white on black crime, you tell me who is being murderous to whom...

and after this, what possible credibility could the white supremacists have:

David Duke, the rapper

And uh, the Media would be the largest "Get Whitey League" out there.

The NBPP, Black liberation theology, and the Trinity United Church of
Christ's adopted Black Value System is just as bad as any current version of those groups. All inherently racist, although I do agree with the Black Value System, it's just that if you changed the word "black" to "white" you'd have something similar to mission statements of all the white groups.

[Trainer Monkey]

What metaphorical "blindfold" are you talking about? The one you're wearing? Show me all the pictures of brutality you want, as I said before, humans treat other humans like shit when they cease to assign any humanity to them, the heinous treatment of black people is no different than the heinous treatment of blacks to whites or Mexicans to El Salvadorans or whatever example of any demographic against another.
Within in the last month or so, locally, there was a white lady who was raped and beaten to death in her home and all the guy took was her purse. So, seemingly he raped and beat her to death just for her purse. Now how is that example of cruelty and brutality any different than any other on the planet? It's not. I'll agree with you and say that children are a special category, but any example of cruelty or brutality stemming from someone's social class, race, or religious/sexual preference is all universally the same thing.

I realize this is an emotional issue, and perhaps it's emotion that keeps you from accurately reading what I've written...

"but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."

this isn't a generalization, this is very specific. "I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment AND all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."

I honestly can't see what you're missing here so I'll break it down for you:

i'm saying that I find fault with black people in today's society that cite mistreatment as the reason they can't be successful, and use the President-elect as an example that black people can attain anything they want in America, that's it's not a problem of opportunity.

Not to be redundant, but just so we're clear, I'm exclusively talking about only the aforementioned black people, not all black people. Once again, if you had bothered to read the other posts, I mentioned that my last four bosses were black, and they're definitely successful people, and the funny thing is, most of what I have to say comes from them.

In the future, please read everything carefully before you find anything "deeply offensive" and allow your emotions to get the better of you, and allow you to read things that just aren't there.

So I look at your photo's and video's above and I see terrible, unforgivable things that are universal, unique to no one, and are as old as time.

See here's where we run in to a problem
There isnt an official "Get Whitey League"
But there is a Klan
And an Aryan Nations
And A Christian Posse Comitatus

LOL- the CPC, are they still around? Just in prisons?

Based on the per ca pita black on white crime vs. white on black crime, you tell me who is being murderous to whom...

and after this, what possible credibility could the white supremacists have:

David Duke, the rapper

And uh, the Media would be the largest "Get Whitey League" out there.

The NBPP, Black liberation theology, and the Trinity United Church of
Christ's adopted Black Value System is just as bad as any current version of those groups. All inherently racist, although I do agree with the Black Value System, it's just that if you changed the word "black" to "white" you'd have something similar to mission statements of all the white groups.

You'd be suprised how much gas the CPC still has in its tank,they have little hell whole all over central PA
And how could the media be the biggest "get whitey league" they made stars out of talentless hacks like Lindsay Lohan,and Keanu Reeves. Unless getting whitey involves putting them up in mansions and making them filthy rich

[Wayne]

Also, to the original point of the thread[/b], there's never been a time in history when a conquered people (slaves), were freed because of the conscience of their captors, and then (this part is the exception; the slaves did not lead the revolt as in previous slave wars), the captors go to war with each other over their emancipation and consequently over 618,000 die. So I give kudos to the people of that century for having the presence of mind to end a brutal human practice, but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment

I'm sorry to be gruesome here, but some people need to have the blindfold stripped from their eyes...

Emmitt Till 1955 before:

The word "whining" used in this context is just as irresponsible as saying racism in America is "over". The fact we have a black president doesn't change as much as you think. Sure it's not every white person and neither would I imply as such, just like I can't dispute that some black people aren't whiners. But those people are no different than their white counterparts who also grab onto anything to complain about, proclaiming the world is somehow against them. To apply such an unqualified generalization about black people, cemented by the citing of our 44th president's ethnicity is deeply offensive. But I suppose you may sweep me into the pile of those "whiners".

What metaphorical "blindfold" are you talking about? The one you're wearing? Show me all the pictures of brutality you want, as I said before, humans treat other humans like shit when they cease to assign any humanity to them, the heinous treatment of black people is no different than the heinous treatment of blacks to whites or Mexicans to El Salvadorans or whatever example of any demographic against another.
Within in the last month or so, locally, there was a white lady who was raped and beaten to death in her home and all the guy took was her purse. So, seemingly he raped and beat her to death just for her purse. Now how is that example of cruelty and brutality any different than any other on the planet? It's not. I'll agree with you and say that children are a special category, but any example of cruelty or brutality stemming from someone's social class, race, or religious/sexual preference is all universally the same thing.

I realize this is an emotional issue, and perhaps it's emotion that keeps you from accurately reading what I've written...

"but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."

this isn't a generalization, this is very specific. "I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment AND all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."

I honestly can't see what you're missing here so I'll break it down for you:

i'm saying that I find fault with black people in today's society that cite mistreatment as the reason they can't be successful, and use the President-elect as an example that black people can attain anything they want in America, that's it's not a problem of opportunity.

Not to be redundant, but just so we're clear, I'm exclusively talking about only the aforementioned black people, not all black people. Once again, if you had bothered to read the other posts, I mentioned that my last four bosses were black, and they're definitely successful people, and the funny thing is, most of what I have to say comes from them.

In the future, please read everything carefully before you find anything "deeply offensive" and allow your emotions to get the better of you, and allow you to read things that just aren't there.

So I look at your photo's and video's above and I see terrible, unforgivable things that are universal, unique to no one, and are as old as time.

I think I was very clear by my meaning. By stating 'modern day blacks' that is a general statement. And perhaps you need to reread what I wrote, because I partially agreed with you. There ARE some black people who whine, but you just threw that statement out without any qualification. That would be just like me writing 'modern day white people are racist'. That's talking about white people in general, not specific. Having a black president is irrelevant. It does not stop ANYONE from being racist; whoever was yesterday still is today.

And by 'stripping the blindfold' I think I offered an argument in refutation of your 'modern day blacks' statement by citing pictures of 'modern day blacks' who were murdered for no better reason than because they were black. So are they whiners?

And this business of what blacks do to whites is a separate issue. I don't think the thread has anything to do with that, but it is definitely an interesting topic worth starting. But essentially saying 'they do it to us too' is not a valid argument. One of the foundations this country was built on was institutionalized racism. Last I checked black people were never in control of the machinations of government and used them to grind down their white counterparts. But that is something experienced by 'modern day blacks' by governments run in whole or in large part, by whites. Segregated water fountains, being snatched off the street and beaten by police, the Tuskegee Syphillis Experiments all within the last 100 years- would any of those people be classified as whiners?

Essentially you're saying black people don't have anything to complain about because we got it so good and that's not what being an American is about. The love it or leave it attitude is ass backwards because that isn't what America was founded on.

Of course what racism is is a tool to not see a fellow human being as a human being. I'm not saying it isn't. But what has gone on in this country is a little more particular than just not seeing someone as human. It went on a little longer than it should have for that to be said and it went a lot deeper. For me to just walk up to another person and blow his brains out I have to not see him as a human being. That's not the same thing as that hate for that person being passed down inter-generationally and installed into me because of race. Racism is more specific than simply dehumanizing someone.

[hfahrenheit]

See here's where we run in to a problem
There isnt an official "Get Whitey League"
But there is a Klan
And an Aryan Nations
And A Christian Posse Comitatus

LOL- the CPC, are they still around? Just in prisons?

Based on the per ca pita black on white crime vs. white on black crime, you tell me who is being murderous to whom...

and after this, what possible credibility could the white supremacists have:

David Duke, the rapper

And uh, the Media would be the largest "Get Whitey League" out there.

The NBPP, Black liberation theology, and the Trinity United Church of
Christ's adopted Black Value System is just as bad as any current version of those groups. All inherently racist, although I do agree with the Black Value System, it's just that if you changed the word "black" to "white" you'd have something similar to mission statements of all the white groups.

You'd be suprised how much gas the CPC still has in its tank,they have little hell whole all over central PA
And how could the media be the biggest "get whitey league" they made stars out of talentless hacks like Lindsay Lohan,and Keanu Reeves. Unless getting whitey involves putting them up in mansions and making them filthy rich

Keanu- horrible. Just horrible. Did you know they're actually making a Point Break 2?

But here's where we're going to split hairs over the entertainment industry versus the news media; I would argue that it was the former not the later that makes "stars" out of completely meaningless people, but it's news media that demonizes people. My direct point about the media was that they lead the charge for blaming white America for the nation's problems, especially the problems of minorities and special interest groups.

But that's a completely different thread.

[Trainer Monkey]

LOL- the CPC, are they still around? Just in prisons?

Based on the per ca pita black on white crime vs. white on black crime, you tell me who is being murderous to whom...

and after this, what possible credibility could the white supremacists have:

David Duke, the rapper

And uh, the Media would be the largest "Get Whitey League" out there.

The NBPP, Black liberation theology, and the Trinity United Church of
Christ's adopted Black Value System is just as bad as any current version of those groups. All inherently racist, although I do agree with the Black Value System, it's just that if you changed the word "black" to "white" you'd have something similar to mission statements of all the white groups.

You'd be suprised how much gas the CPC still has in its tank,they have little hell whole all over central PA
And how could the media be the biggest "get whitey league" they made stars out of talentless hacks like Lindsay Lohan,and Keanu Reeves. Unless getting whitey involves putting them up in mansions and making them filthy rich

Keanu- horrible. Just horrible. Did you know they're actually making a Point Break 2?

But here's where we're going to split hairs over the entertainment industry versus the news media; I would argue that it was the former not the later that makes "stars" out of completely meaningless people, but it's news media that demonizes people. My direct point about the media was that they lead the charge for blaming white America for the nation's problems, especially the problems of minorities and special interest groups.

But that's a completely different thread.

See,you really cant seperate the two, the same AP news wire that let me know repeatedly about Jesse Jacksons illegitimate child,is the exact same news wire thats going to beat me over the head over and over with Paris Hilton's latest exploits.
Its all on the AP wire.
And I concur Keannu Reeves is the worst actor who has ever gotten to become a star,ever. Not only can he not act his way out of a brown paper bag,if you cast him as the brown paper bag,he wouldnt be believable in the role

[Wayne]

You'd be suprised how much gas the CPC still has in its tank,they have little hell whole all over central PA
And how could the media be the biggest "get whitey league" they made stars out of talentless hacks like Lindsay Lohan,and Keanu Reeves. Unless getting whitey involves putting them up in mansions and making them filthy rich

Keanu- horrible. Just horrible. Did you know they're actually making a Point Break 2?

But here's where we're going to split hairs over the entertainment industry versus the news media; I would argue that it was the former not the later that makes "stars" out of completely meaningless people, but it's news media that demonizes people. My direct point about the media was that they lead the charge for blaming white America for the nation's problems, especially the problems of minorities and special interest groups.

But that's a completely different thread.

See,you really cant seperate the two, the same AP news wire that let me know repeatedly about Jesse Jacksons illegitimate child,is the exact same news wire thats going to beat me over the head over and over with Paris Hilton's latest exploits.
Its all on the AP wire.
And I concur Keannu Reeves is the worst actor who has ever gotten to become a star,ever. Not only can he not act his way out of a brown paper bag,if you cast him as the brown paper bag,he wouldnt be believable in the role

I dunno about that. He was pretty convincing as Ted.