It is time.

[Youngblood]

haha w/e Bilbo. Have derailed Franks thread enough...sorry Frank.

(Just find it kinda ridiculous people who smoke weed considering us who don't "lame-os")

ok

[JohnnyKickAss]

Sorry...but to say weed is a gateway drug is total BS...I smoke weed now for ten years on a regular basis(well...not exactly...I took most part of last year off...just to see if...)and 5-6 of my friends too or even longer and nobody of us tried anything else(besides coke,but come on...)...actually its not even a drug,because you don't get physically addicted...

But if you hang around the wrong people(you know on the street keepin it real and all this crap),you may think its a gateway drug,cause its usually goes like this... first cigarettes(because its cool)then weed(its even cooler)in addition some alcohol...and sooner or later a jackazz will come around with some crack or whatever...combined with some group pressure and there you go...

[kingfrnk]

it is all good. i feel great. its Friday, i just got paid, fina got eat later on with my girl, (i was thinkin about smokin before going to see wats it like around her ) and end tonight off with some games, weed, and gas in my car to go eat again. and i got some squares from my friend to smoke afterwards. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh life is good right now.

[Youngblood]

frank what were you on probation for?

[CFH]

Well amat...I'd be cautious about pushing how insginificant it is, and promoting its use. Most of my 'cool friends' I had 2 years ago, who were older, smoking weed regularly...that I got rid of, are now into the crack, doing B&Es and getting regularly arrested to support the habit.

For many I do believe it is a gateway drug. It certainly was here, and for the people I know. Glad I ain't a part of that shit or their lifestyle any more, becuz for a while I was. I was 12 and already getting in deep shit and headed that way. Most of them are already dropping out of school and going absolutely no where in life. Now you can likely claim it was not simply the weed, and I will likely agree...but I suggest it sure didn't help as it's lifestyle lead to where they are...first dealing to support its use, then robbing when they came short...then before they knew it...was the crack. A couple of them I know are even into the needles now. Others in jail.

Our city is plague with drug use and the crime surrounding it, and the best way to avoid it and the shitty consequences, is to avoid it all.

The me preface this by saying I used to do a ton of drugs, I'm hard pressed to think of one I haven't done. I used to abuse them on a regular basis when I was younger.

I find alcohol to be much more of a gateway than weed. I have never gotten stoned and thought to myself, "Hmmm, I could really go for some hard drugs right about now...". However, if I get drunk, those type of thoughts occur frequently. I haven't done hard drugs in years now, but when I get drunk I still have those thoughts, though they are nowhere near as powerful/compelling as they used to be.

In fact, when I was younger and I was getting off drugs, I used to smoke weed to calm myself down and to help me put things in perspective. It honestly helped me quit hard drugs. For a long time afterwards, I would crave dope and if I smoked some weed it would seriously reduce those cravings. Call it harm-reduction or whatever, but it really helped. I don't smoke weed anymore because of my anxiety, but it did help a lot at one time.

However, one way in which I feel that weed is a gateway drug is that there is so much fear instill in children about drugs, including weed. I remember being scared shitless the first time I tried it, thinking all sorts of bad shit might happen, and when I found out how benign it was, how it didn't make me go nuts, hallucinate, or turn in to a schizo, I started think that maybe I had been lied to about all the other "harder" drugs as well. So I guess what I'm saying is that the very people telling me not to smoke weed because it was a gateway drug were the same people who basically made it a gateway drug by lying to me about its effects and thus eroding my trust in the other, more truthful things they had said.

Well I am not lecturing, I am giving my experience. And yea...I started at the age of 10 smoking cigarettes, and by 12 was already doing thefts, smoking weed and drinking, and with druggy friends helping beat up other kids who owed drug monies to make a few $$'s. Also had already sold a bunch of my stuff for weed. And yes...at 12.

My story is sorta known around here. I made a joke about a "used to be a rebel without a cause" article in the paper a short while ago, because of my age, in our local paper, because I admit it seems ridiculous, but having the police stop by my house 2-3 years ago was a regular occurance.

I feel a fuk of alot better about myself now, and watch as my old friends are sinking further and further into lifestyle with few opportunities. They are all 16, 17 and 18 now...and juvi won't be a factor for much longer. Will be doing hard time soon. I also went to a funeral not long ago for a girl I know, who too was apart of the same clique. She decided to play car/pedestrian chicken stoned on acid. She lost.

damn thats kinda fuked up. i use to be a fuk up too. i was in a gang who would kill somebody on sight if they had problems with you. wats even more fuked up is that the sign is on my hand and will never come off.

Why don't you get it covered up by another tattoo? If it's on your hand I assume it is relatively small, so it should cost less than $100 to do. One of my best friends is a tattoo artist, if you want I can ask him if he'd design a cover up for you.

[kingfrnk]

frank what were you on probation for?

Weed

[kingfrnk]

Well amat...I'd be cautious about pushing how insginificant it is, and promoting its use. Most of my 'cool friends' I had 2 years ago, who were older, smoking weed regularly...that I got rid of, are now into the crack, doing B&Es and getting regularly arrested to support the habit.

For many I do believe it is a gateway drug. It certainly was here, and for the people I know. Glad I ain't a part of that shit or their lifestyle any more, becuz for a while I was. I was 12 and already getting in deep shit and headed that way. Most of them are already dropping out of school and going absolutely no where in life. Now you can likely claim it was not simply the weed, and I will likely agree...but I suggest it sure didn't help as it's lifestyle lead to where they are...first dealing to support its use, then robbing when they came short...then before they knew it...was the crack. A couple of them I know are even into the needles now. Others in jail.

Our city is plague with drug use and the crime surrounding it, and the best way to avoid it and the shitty consequences, is to avoid it all.

The me preface this by saying I used to do a ton of drugs, I'm hard pressed to think of one I haven't done. I used to abuse them on a regular basis when I was younger.

I find alcohol to be much more of a gateway than weed. I have never gotten stoned and thought to myself, "Hmmm, I could really go for some hard drugs right about now...". However, if I get drunk, those type of thoughts occur frequently. I haven't done hard drugs in years now, but when I get drunk I still have those thoughts, though they are nowhere near as powerful/compelling as they used to be.

In fact, when I was younger and I was getting off drugs, I used to smoke weed to calm myself down and to help me put things in perspective. It honestly helped me quit hard drugs. For a long time afterwards, I would crave dope and if I smoked some weed it would seriously reduce those cravings. Call it harm-reduction or whatever, but it really helped. I don't smoke weed anymore because of my anxiety, but it did help a lot at one time.

However, one way in which I feel that weed is a gateway drug is that there is so much fear instill in children about drugs, including weed. I remember being scared shitless the first time I tried it, thinking all sorts of bad shit might happen, and when I found out how benign it was, how it didn't make me go nuts, hallucinate, or turn in to a schizo, I started think that maybe I had been lied to about all the other "harder" drugs as well. So I guess what I'm saying is that the very people telling me not to smoke weed because it was a gateway drug were the same people who basically made it a gateway drug by lying to me about its effects and thus eroding my trust in the other, more truthful things they had said.

Well I am not lecturing, I am giving my experience. And yea...I started at the age of 10 smoking cigarettes, and by 12 was already doing thefts, smoking weed and drinking, and with druggy friends helping beat up other kids who owed drug monies to make a few $$'s. Also had already sold a bunch of my stuff for weed. And yes...at 12.

My story is sorta known around here. I made a joke about a "used to be a rebel without a cause" article in the paper a short while ago, because of my age, in our local paper, because I admit it seems ridiculous, but having the police stop by my house 2-3 years ago was a regular occurance.

I feel a fuk of alot better about myself now, and watch as my old friends are sinking further and further into lifestyle with few opportunities. They are all 16, 17 and 18 now...and juvi won't be a factor for much longer. Will be doing hard time soon. I also went to a funeral not long ago for a girl I know, who too was apart of the same clique. She decided to play car/pedestrian chicken stoned on acid. She lost.

damn thats kinda fuked up. i use to be a fuk up too. i was in a gang who would kill somebody on sight if they had problems with you. wats even more fuked up is that the sign is on my hand and will never come off.

Why don't you get it covered up by another tattoo? If it's on your hand I assume it is relatively small, so it should cost less than $100 to do. One of my best friends is a tattoo artist, if you want I can ask him if he'd design a cover up for you.

maybe if i ever move out of texas i will get it covered up. its not wise to get a tattoo removed neither is it safe. if u knew the background i come from its kinda insulting to cover your shit up i dont know why but thats how shit is over here.

[RP33]

all of this is really humorous to me.. the people who don't do drugs implying that drugs are disgusting and that it ruins lives, and the people who do smoke weed etc.. saying that they just enjoy it recreationally and don't let it affect their lives in a negative way..

i think it's a matter of misconception.. if you are brought up in a family where alcoholism and drug using played a part in the collapse, then of course you're going to have a negative take on them, due to your pre-disposition of the matter.. but you also have to understand that the majority of people who smoke weed, don't end up doing coke/heroin/crack etc.. or end up in rehab.. those are the addicts who are using drugs, maybe as a crutch in their live to fill some void.. in the same respect the majority of people who drink alcohol, are not alcoholics.. i drink 2-3 (prob more now that i'm done with school) times a week just cause i'm out at bars and parties and what not, but i'm sober right now and am not craving a drink, nor do i NEED to drink tonight by any means..

I can understand completely Ice's opinion on all of this, and especially if drugs or alcohol was the reason someones family fell apart, but i think you also need to understand that drinking and smoking pot can be controlled, and usually is, and is used to enhance a social experience.. I personally, see no problem with that, and i have morals and care about myself and what not.. i don't see where morals plays into this equation, it's not like we're talking about becoming a porn star, or whoring yourself on the streets..

when you see someone letting out a sigh at work, saying, "i need a vacation", sometimes having a few drinks or taking a few hits may be just what you need to take the edge off, we're only human and you only live once..

I have a feeling that if/when you guys go to college (the straight edge guys) you may see a whole new dynamic to life.. meaning non-stop, up all night, drinking and partying.. or at least that's how any college i've ever been to in the states is.. Not saying you guys will conform, or that you will try anything, but from seeing your negative comments about what we say here, you guys may consider your environment the next Sodom and Gomorrah.

[kingfrnk]

all of this is really humorous to me.. the people who don't do drugs implying that drugs are disgusting and that it ruins lives, and the people who do smoke weed etc.. saying that they just enjoy it recreationally and don't let it affect their lives in a negative way..

i think it's a matter of misconception.. if you are brought up in a family where alcoholism and drug using played a part in the collapse, then of course you're going to have a negative take on them, due to your pre-disposition of the matter.. but you also have to understand that the majority of people who smoke weed, don't end up doing coke/heroin/crack etc.. or end up in rehab.. those are the addicts who are using drugs, maybe as a crutch in their live to fill some void.. in the same respect the majority of people who drink alcohol, are not alcoholics.. i drink 2-3 (prob more now that i'm done with school) times a week just cause i'm out at bars and parties and what not, but i'm sober right now and am not craving a drink, nor do i NEED to drink tonight by any means..

I can understand completely Ice's opinion on all of this, and especially if drugs or alcohol was the reason someones family fell apart, but i think you also need to understand that drinking and smoking pot can be controlled, and usually is, and is used to enhance a social experience.. I personally, see no problem with that, and i have morals and care about myself and what not.. i don't see where morals plays into this equation, it's not like we're talking about becoming a porn star, or whoring yourself on the streets..

when you see someone letting out a sigh at work, saying, "i need a vacation", sometimes having a few drinks or taking a few hits may be just what you need to take the edge off, we're only human and you only live once..

I have a feeling that if/when you guys go to college (the straight edge guys) you may see a whole new dynamic to life.. meaning non-stop, up all night, drinking and partying.. or at least that's how any college i've ever been to in the states is.. Not saying you guys will conform, or that you will try anything, but from seeing your negative comments about what we say here, you guys may consider your environment the next Sodom and Gomorrah.

i agree.

some people think just because you smoke weed that it will just ruin your whole life, well thats not true. i know alot of people that smoke and are sucessfull of course there are some that dont make it as far but its not the weed that does it.

anyways WEED IS NOT BAD its just illegal.

[Kev]

all of this is really humorous to me.. the people who don't do drugs implying that drugs are disgusting and that it ruins lives, and the people who do smoke weed etc.. saying that they just enjoy it recreationally and don't let it affect their lives in a negative way..

i think it's a matter of misconception.. if you are brought up in a family where alcoholism and drug using played a part in the collapse, then of course you're going to have a negative take on them, due to your pre-disposition of the matter.. but you also have to understand that the majority of people who smoke weed, don't end up doing coke/heroin/crack etc.. or end up in rehab.. those are the addicts who are using drugs, maybe as a crutch in their live to fill some void.. in the same respect the majority of people who drink alcohol, are not alcoholics.. i drink 2-3 (prob more now that i'm done with school) times a week just cause i'm out at bars and parties and what not, but i'm sober right now and am not craving a drink, nor do i NEED to drink tonight by any means..

I can understand completely Ice's opinion on all of this, and especially if drugs or alcohol was the reason someones family fell apart, but i think you also need to understand that drinking and smoking pot can be controlled, and usually is, and is used to enhance a social experience.. I personally, see no problem with that, and i have morals and care about myself and what not.. i don't see where morals plays into this equation, it's not like we're talking about becoming a porn star, or whoring yourself on the streets..

when you see someone letting out a sigh at work, saying, "i need a vacation", sometimes having a few drinks or taking a few hits may be just what you need to take the edge off, we're only human and you only live once..

I have a feeling that if/when you guys go to college (the straight edge guys) you may see a whole new dynamic to life.. meaning non-stop, up all night, drinking and partying.. or at least that's how any college i've ever been to in the states is.. Not saying you guys will conform, or that you will try anything, but from seeing your negative comments about what we say here, you guys may consider your environment the next Sodom and Gomorrah.

You are dead right there. I consider myself to be one of the least outgoing people on the planet, but even I've done a few lines of cocaine and rubbed into a girls pussy.

I don't do drugs though, just maybe 4 times in my life and to be honest I didn't really notice much effect other than a sore nose and throat for half an hour, sadly did nothing for my cock.

Never taken weed just because I hate the idea of smoking anything, just seems so damn unhealthy.

[Youngblood]

i agree.

some people think just because you smoke weed that it will just ruin your whole life, well thats not true. i know alot of people that smoke and are sucessfull of course there are some that dont make it as far but its not the weed that does it.

anyways WEED IS NOT BAD its just illegal.

don't miss my point, about those that do drugs somehow considering those who don't as 'lame-os". Which is in my opinion, a totally lame thing to do.

I don't look down on people who smoke weed. I in fact suspect my own father does and keeps it very well hidden. I know my sister does. I know many people who do, and choose amongst my friends to hang wth the ones whose worlds don't revolve around it. My experience speaks for why, and it is only that...my experience, not a precursor to a belief about the whole of weed smoking.

Most of the people I hang with now are athletes, football, hockey, combat sports, and smoking of anything is just not really an option...w/e...and some others are just people I like who I find funny as hell, but are that way without the assistance of smoking weed. That's my decision and I'm ok with it. And again...I don't look down on anyone unless they give me a good and usually personal reason to.

[boozeboxer]

I find booze as the ultimate drug. I mean it is cheap, legal, and socially accepted in all circles.

[ICB]

all of this is really humorous to me.. the people who don't do drugs implying that drugs are disgusting and that it ruins lives, and the people who do smoke weed etc.. saying that they just enjoy it recreationally and don't let it affect their lives in a negative way..

i think it's a matter of misconception.. if you are brought up in a family where alcoholism and drug using played a part in the collapse, then of course you're going to have a negative take on them, due to your pre-disposition of the matter.. but you also have to understand that the majority of people who smoke weed, don't end up doing coke/heroin/crack etc.. or end up in rehab.. those are the addicts who are using drugs, maybe as a crutch in their live to fill some void.. in the same respect the majority of people who drink alcohol, are not alcoholics.. i drink 2-3 (prob more now that i'm done with school) times a week just cause i'm out at bars and parties and what not, but i'm sober right now and am not craving a drink, nor do i NEED to drink tonight by any means..

I can understand completely Ice's opinion on all of this, and especially if drugs or alcohol was the reason someones family fell apart, but i think you also need to understand that drinking and smoking pot can be controlled, and usually is, and is used to enhance a social experience.. I personally, see no problem with that, and i have morals and care about myself and what not.. i don't see where morals plays into this equation, it's not like we're talking about becoming a porn star, or whoring yourself on the streets..

when you see someone letting out a sigh at work, saying, "i need a vacation", sometimes having a few drinks or taking a few hits may be just what you need to take the edge off, we're only human and you only live once..

I have a feeling that if/when you guys go to college (the straight edge guys) you may see a whole new dynamic to life.. meaning non-stop, up all night, drinking and partying.. or at least that's how any college i've ever been to in the states is.. Not saying you guys will conform, or that you will try anything, but from seeing your negative comments about what we say here, you guys may consider your environment the next Sodom and Gomorrah.

I don't really have any motivation to go to college, i was kicked out of school at 16. But im living a decent life at the moment, i have passed my driving tests. Got a baby on the way and i've got a good girl that treats me good, although i have had alot of shit stuff going on this year.

Im hoping next year i will take some steps to becoming a fully grown man im 19 at the moment by the way. As for your other comments again i think people are getting the wrong idea about what im saying, i've already told Frank if weed makes him feel better or ETC, then by all means do it.

Im just saying i would never do it, because of family problems in the past. And because i choose not to, im not trying to make out im some squeeky clean person. Im just saying its not for me which in a way is pretty good isn't it ? and i do not drink and smoke, because again i choose not to, and because i've got to live a healthy life style because im an Amateur boxer.

[kingfrnk]

I find booze as the ultimate drug. I mean it is cheap, legal, and socially accepted in all circles.

yea but you have to be 21 to buy it yourself. u can be 10 yrs old and buy yourself some weed. i like both, and might get some of both tonight i just need someone over 21 to buy it for me.

[kingfrnk]

how did my thread get into a "weed is bad, no its not thread" ??

i should have put WEEDSMOKERS ONLY on the 1st page.