If Margo wasn't caught with the loaded wraps, do u think he would have beaten Mosley?

[fan johnny]

Holloway Reflects on Fateful Margarito Sparring Session - Boxing News Don't give me that BS he didn't know! it just falls on deaf ears....

Having an advantage like that is like hitting someone with a blunt object (a brick) but it's adding capability to an already powerful weapon. Look at what happened to Holloway! The damage it inflicts is bone crushing.... Even with bad boxing skills it gives him a tremendous advantage. Possibly Mosley comes out the winner (assuming Margarito never gets a flush hit) but it's just not the same fight because blows to any part of the body have more impact, damage and effect and Mosley is slowed which gives Margarito more opportunity to land that flush blow. Margarito is good but not great without the advantage....

[JonesJrMayweather]

Shane was on fire that night, Tony looked in poor shape, he looked to be out of gas early and unable to stand with Shane that night....Mosley was going to win regardless

That's some of what I noticed aside from the worried look... How could Margo be out of shape when 6 months ago he looked indestructible against Cotto?

This is not to take out credits from Mosley, he's very good that night... And this is boxing, upsets happened...
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Nah he was ready and in shape....about thirty to forty seconds into the first round shane hit him with a right hand blind body shot that vibrated through his entire body. Margo's knees weakened you could instantly see that it dropped his condition from "full tank of gas" to "matter of time", haven't seen one punch with such residual damage like that in a long time.

Then add Shane's clinching, Margo, stone hands or not was going to lose this fight.

in fact here's a clip of the punch ive made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jk3bA0nGqA

[JazMerkin]

Nah, Mosley just had his number that night, the only way Margarito was winning was if he was packing a beretta in his wraps

[Pugilistic]

I don't think anyone could of beat Mosley that night.

[Spicoli]

Of couse he could have beaten Mosley if his gloves were loaded. people dont understand that if you're getting hit with very hard shots it changes ur game plan. Shane had absolutely no respect for Margarito's power after he got hit and realize Margarito cant punch worth a shit. If margarito had his loaded gloves on shane would have been more respectful of his power thus maybe changing his go for broke style against margarito. U saw Shane get timid against Forest when Forrest was able to really hurt him, even in the second fight he was a bit gun shy. like i said when ur getting hit with power it tends to alter ur game plan.

Excellent point. When you are hit by a hard puncher you definitely are a different fighter inside that ring and this opens up for the harder puncher to be able to throw more. Being that he should be the aggressor. Shane was not affected by what Margarito was throwing. So much so, that Mosley was even the guy pushing the fight all night long. Mosley was coming to and pushing Margarito to the ropes. At the time I was astounded. Now I know why. Margarito wasn't what we thought he was.

Why not so astounded in hindsight?Margarito in style was exactly what we thought he was.A pressure fighter who took shots and applied volume pressure,really not that much left to the imagination.As to what ifs and scenarios surrounding past fights,your conclusions are reached.

What ever The fallout of Wrap-Gate,the process is being handeled and punishmenst dealt out rightfully so.Maybe it was Shane that was not what many thought he was going into that fight.......a former champion easily on the other side of career there for easy pickings.

[Macho]

IMO , i don't think so , now in that fight Mosley had to been analyze the fight between Cotto vs Margaro , he knew what to do and took advantage of the opportunity that Cotto didn't take , so i was one that thought that this fight would finish by UD not by KO......................Mosley strategy was very successful

[Wayne]

No I think Shane had his number that night.....hell he hardly ever hit Shane in the 1st place; loaded wraps or not you have to hit your opponent

Ditto.

[RozzySean]

Tony wouldn't have won if he had a Tazer in each glove.

[rjj tszyu]

No he wasn't landing enough IMO. Then again I've never been hit by a loaded glove!

[Matchmaker]

voted no imo Shane speed was just to much for Margarito

I agree that speed was a factor in the fight, but I believe that Shane's fight plan of not allowing Margarito to work inside was the key for his victory. I do not believe that Cotto was planning to move as much as he did against Margarito and once he realized that he could not deal with his loaded gloves he was left with no other option but to stay away. We have to take into account that Margarito was not going to go out of his way on the attack against Sugar Shane knowing that his punches were not going to have the same effect. I do not take anything away from Shane he was brilliant and he won fair and square and I am so glad that he did not have to win despite Margarito's loaded gloves, because I am not sure how Cotto is going to react in his next fight with Jennings if in fact Margarito was loaded. I recall that at the end of Margarito and Daniel Santos fight wich was stopped on cuts, Santos told Margarito in spanish how incredibly hard his punches were, that was a bit strange to me at the time but I guess now lives room for speculation. Any way, I am new member of your forum, but I have been enjoying your postings for quite some time.

[Scrap]

Its something thats been puzzling me,What he did in my mind was for Hand protection, its not what whatshisname did and take the padding out of the glove. You cant do that now with the new Gloves, its still a glove. Still on the fence with this one, althougth its a no no. I want to know what was in the Bandage.

[XaduBoxer]

Poll update:

If Margo wasn't caught with the loaded wraps, do you think he would have beaten Mosley?

YES - 4
NO - 25

So at this point we can conclude that with loaded gloves or not, Margarito still loses to Mosley that night...

Just wondering how Margo became the 4-1 betting favorite and 90% (?) of boxing experts pick Margo to win??

Of course it's viewed as a huge upset...
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[JonesJrMayweather]

Poll update:

If Margo wasn't caught with the loaded wraps, do you think he would have beaten Mosley?

YES - 4
NO - 25

So at this point we can conclude that with loaded gloves or not, Margarito still loses to Mosley that night...

Just wondering how Margo became the 4-1 betting favorite and 90% (?) of boxing experts pick Margo to win??

Of course it's viewed as a huge upset...
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alot of the votes might from hindsight. after seeing the strategy they are able to believe it. where before many couldnt see shane doing what he always does...go to the body and land overhand rights all night like he did against oscar and vargas

[XaduBoxer]

Poll update:

If Margo wasn't caught with the loaded wraps, do you think he would have beaten Mosley?

YES - 4
NO - 25

So at this point we can conclude that with loaded gloves or not, Margarito still loses to Mosley that night...

Just wondering how Margo became the 4-1 betting favorite and 90% (?) of boxing experts pick Margo to win??

Of course it's viewed as a huge upset...
.

alot of the votes might from hindsight. after seeing the strategy they are able to believe it. where before many couldnt see shane doing what he always does...go to the body and land overhand rights all night like he did against oscar and vargas

... that Shane not effectively done to Cotto...

I reckon you won a huge amount from the Margo-Mosley fight... Imagine a 4-1 odds... So far, I only knew one person who won big by betting on Mosley... PAC placed a US $ 7,000 bet on Mosley...
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[JonesJrMayweather]

Poll update:

If Margo wasn't caught with the loaded wraps, do you think he would have beaten Mosley?

YES - 4
NO - 25

So at this point we can conclude that with loaded gloves or not, Margarito still loses to Mosley that night...

Just wondering how Margo became the 4-1 betting favorite and 90% (?) of boxing experts pick Margo to win??

Of course it's viewed as a huge upset...
.

alot of the votes might from hindsight. after seeing the strategy they are able to believe it. where before many couldnt see shane doing what he always does...go to the body and land overhand rights all night like he did against oscar and vargas

... that Shane not effectively done to Cotto...

I reckon you won a huge amount from the Margo-Mosley fight... Imagine a 4-1 odds... So far, I only knew one person who won big by betting on Mosley... PAC placed a US $ 7,000 bet on Mosley...
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you say that as if that fight couldnt have gone either way...i remember cotto going against wht he had always done which was finish opponents off..he was running from shane in the 11th and 12th..but it was a very close fight