The Amazing Race: Pacquiao vs. JM Marquez for P4P supremacy

[Kev]

I like both Pac AND Juan Manuel Marquez, so I believe I can speak without much of a bias toward either. And although Pac's TKO of Oscar was incredible, given the amount of weight divisions Pac had to move up (not to mention how personally rewarding it was for me)... everyone knows that Oscar was shot. Meanwhile, Juan Diaz is a dangerous, non-stop punching machine who had JMM in trouble during the early rounds, and only JMM's veteran mastery of the ring and his true grit allowed him to finally KO Diaz.

So to me, JMM's victory was more impressive, even if only slightly so.

Yes, JMM's win is impressive... It's slightly more impressive than PAC's win over Hoya... But if you put things together, PAC's wins over JMM, Diaz and Hoya is definitely greater than JMM's wins on JDiaz and Casa...
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JMM's fights with Pac were close and inconclusive... so scratch that one. And a shot DLH doesn't measure up to a prime Casamayor. I don't agree with you.

Casamyor was in his prime? He'd looked shit in every fight since his third fight with Corales. Casamyor is more done than Erik Morales. He lost every round to Santa Cruz, got punched out of the ring by mediocre Michael Katsidis and then got sparked by Marquez. He's more shot than Oscar without question, Oscar has more chance of becoming world champ again than Casamayor.

[Hunter]

JMM and Pac is a dreammatchup......The two top # for #'ers.......

Pac needs to get by Hatton which is no walk in the park..,..

[XaduBoxer]

Amazing Pound for Pound Race:

Right now I've got it like this

...................Manny Pacquiao
....................Juan Manuel Marquez
.................................................. .....Mighty Mike Arnaoutis

THERE CAN BE NO DISPUTE!

I like your style mate... You resort to nonsense postings if you're losing in the debate ... Nice style...

[JazMerkin]

Amazing Pound for Pound Race:

Right now I've got it like this

...................Manny Pacquiao
....................Juan Manuel Marquez
.................................................. .....Mighty Mike Arnaoutis

THERE CAN BE NO DISPUTE!

I like your style mate... You resort to nonsense postings if you're losing in the debate ... Nice style...

I'm glad you noticed SaddoBoxer, I watched you're technique & I can safely say I've learnt from the best

[XaduBoxer]

At this juncture, PAC is still leading this race...

Ring Mag P4P List as of March 1, 2009:

[fan johnny]

Same thread. Same post

The difference between recent opponents pretty much tells the difference between the fighters. Lets take a unbiased look.

Marquez came to the Lightweight division looking to face it's undisputed champion and top fighter. He found him in Joel Casamayor. It was a struggle but Marquez won and became the first man ever to stop the great Casamayor. If Nate Campbell would of made weight, i have no doubt Marquez would faced the winner of Campbell-Joan Guzman. Marquez could of sat on the sidelines or faced some stiff to just stay busy. But Marquez ain't like that. So he takes on the next available option. Juan Diaz. In Diaz's hometown. Any chance Marquez loses his title due to home judging goes out the window when Marquez becomes the first man ever to stop Diaz.

After getting his 2nd gift and than avoiding a 3rd fight with Marquez, Pacquiao moves to Lightweight. All the top fighters are available and waiting. Joel Casamayor, Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz and Joan Guzman. So are some of the 2nd tier fighters. Julio Diaz and Michael Katsidis. Pacquiao decides to face 3rd tier David Diaz. A fighter who won a vacant title from a non-champion. And had been stopped before by an average puncher. Predictaly Pac stops him. After being called out by Casamayor, Campbell, Marquez, Diaz and Edwin Valero. Pac decides to fight Oscar De La Hoya. A fight that looked to be dangerous on paper. But keep in mind Pac only took the fight cuz his trainer Freddie Roach had first hand knowledge on information nobody else knew. That Oscar was shot. So what first looked like a dangerous fight in reality was a cake walk. Cake walk indeed. Pac easily beats a De La Hoya who looked liked he would of easily lost to Ivan Calderon as well.

When you actually take the time and actually look at the facts the difference in fighters is obvious. One seeks the toughest opposition. The other would perfer to hand pick his opponents. And that's why Marquez is without a doubt pound for pound number 1.
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WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP! UNBIASED MY A*S

Marquez is just like most every fighter out there! And certainly no different that Pacquiao. He wants earn the most he can. He's trying to increase his worth and doing a great job of that I might add. To do that he has to face the best out there. Pacquiao was and his target because he can get the biggest prize with Pacquiao. Since Pacquiao's lineup doesn't have Marquez in it at the moment, Marquez is calling out PBF just like every other fighter that wants to earn $$$. PBF aint going to come out for Marquez. So Marquez will just have to look for another payday fighter. If Marquez could earn as much with any other fighter, you can bet he'd chase it.

[KKisser]

I like both Pac AND Juan Manuel Marquez, so I believe I can speak without much of a bias toward either. And although Pac's TKO of Oscar was incredible, given the amount of weight divisions Pac had to move up (not to mention how personally rewarding it was for me)... everyone knows that Oscar was shot. Meanwhile, Juan Diaz is a dangerous, non-stop punching machine who had JMM in trouble during the early rounds, and only JMM's veteran mastery of the ring and his true grit allowed him to finally KO Diaz.

So to me, JMM's victory was more impressive, even if only slightly so.

Yes, JMM's win is impressive... It's slightly more impressive than PAC's win over Hoya... But if you put things together, PAC's wins over JMM, Diaz and Hoya is definitely greater than JMM's wins on JDiaz and Casa...
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JMM's fights with Pac were close and inconclusive... so scratch that one. And a shot DLH doesn't measure up to a prime Casamayor. I don't agree with you.

i supposed if pac would have fought casa and gave him a whooping like he did oscar then casa would have been called shot, washed up and old. lol

[KKisser]

Same thread. Same post

The difference between recent opponents pretty much tells the difference between the fighters. Lets take a unbiased look.

Marquez came to the Lightweight division looking to face it's undisputed champion and top fighter. He found him in Joel Casamayor. It was a struggle but Marquez won and became the first man ever to stop the great Casamayor. If Nate Campbell would of made weight, i have no doubt Marquez would faced the winner of Campbell-Joan Guzman. Marquez could of sat on the sidelines or faced some stiff to just stay busy. But Marquez ain't like that. So he takes on the next available option. Juan Diaz. In Diaz's hometown. Any chance Marquez loses his title due to home judging goes out the window when Marquez becomes the first man ever to stop Diaz.

After getting his 2nd gift and than avoiding a 3rd fight with Marquez, Pacquiao moves to Lightweight. All the top fighters are available and waiting. Joel Casamayor, Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz and Joan Guzman. So are some of the 2nd tier fighters. Julio Diaz and Michael Katsidis. Pacquiao decides to face 3rd tier David Diaz. A fighter who won a vacant title from a non-champion. And had been stopped before by an average puncher. Predictaly Pac stops him. After being called out by Casamayor, Campbell, Marquez, Diaz and Edwin Valero. Pac decides to fight Oscar De La Hoya. A fight that looked to be dangerous on paper. But keep in mind Pac only took the fight cuz his trainer Freddie Roach had first hand knowledge on information nobody else knew. That Oscar was shot. So what first looked like a dangerous fight in reality was a cake walk. Cake walk indeed. Pac easily beats a De La Hoya who looked liked he would of easily lost to Ivan Calderon as well.

When you actually take the time and actually look at the facts the difference in fighters is obvious. One seeks the toughest opposition. The other would perfer to hand pick his opponents. And that's why Marquez is without a doubt pound for pound number 1.
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WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP! UNBIASED MY A*S

Marquez is just like most every fighter out there! And certainly no different that Pacquiao. He wants earn the most he can. He's trying to increase his worth and doing a great job of that I might add. To do that he has to face the best out there. Pacquiao was and his target because he can get the biggest prize with Pacquiao. Since Pacquiao's lineup doesn't have Marquez in it at the moment, Marquez is calling out PBF just like every other fighter that wants to earn $$$. PBF aint going to come out for Marquez. So Marquez will just have to look for another payday fighter. If Marquez could earn as much with any other fighter, you can bet he'd chase it.

yup, i don't hear jmm calling out chris john. lol

[TitoFan]

Yes, JMM's win is impressive... It's slightly more impressive than PAC's win over Hoya... But if you put things together, PAC's wins over JMM, Diaz and Hoya is definitely greater than JMM's wins on JDiaz and Casa...
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JMM's fights with Pac were close and inconclusive... so scratch that one. And a shot DLH doesn't measure up to a prime Casamayor. I don't agree with you.

i supposed if pac would have fought casa and gave him a whooping like he did oscar then casa would have been called shot, washed up and old. lol

I hate Oscar, so I'm not one to defend him. But are you implying that Oscar WASN'T completely past his prime, and pretty well shot, when he fought Pac? 'Cause if you are... you are in a definite minority.

[KKisser]

Pacquiao is definitely p4p right now. A match-up between him and J.M.M. for a third time is a fight of great interest. However, I would like to see Mayweather come out of retirement to fight Pacquiao after he finishes off Hatton.
As elusive and defensively supreme as Mayweather is, I don't think his beard has ever been tested. And as awkward and confusing Pacquiao is, I can't see him not landing a solid shot on Mayweather.
I think that's the fight to be made. Mayweather will not stay in retirement - especially with so much money on the table for such a classic fight.

JMM called out PBF after his win over Juan Diaz yesterday... Some think it's a slap on PAC as JMM stated he's calling out the best P4P boxer out there that's not "afraid" to fight him and he consider that man as PBF...

If PBF comes out of retirement, I think he prefer to fight PAC as against JMM or Mosley or Cotto...
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Who said Pac will take a fight with PBF? If he wont fight JMM again what makes you think he will take one with PBF?

$$$caching$$$

[KKisser]

JMM's fights with Pac were close and inconclusive... so scratch that one. And a shot DLH doesn't measure up to a prime Casamayor. I don't agree with you.

i supposed if pac would have fought casa and gave him a whooping like he did oscar then casa would have been called shot, washed up and old. lol

I hate Oscar, so I'm not one to defend him. But are you implying that Oscar WASN'T completely past his prime, and pretty well shot, when he fought Pac? 'Cause if you are... you are in a definite minority.

i'm sure you said oscar was shot before his fight with pac just like everybody else lol.

[Spicoli]

I hope JMM won't challenge PAC anymore (well he called out PBF instead of PAC, that's a good sign) for there's a greater chance that he will be KO'ed this time around specially at higher weights, like for example 140 lbs.

JMM faced life and death in his last 2 fights against Casa and Juan Diaz while PAC had an easy time slaying giants like David Diaz and Hoya... The added beatings JMM received from Casa and JuanD softened his body more and facing PAC for the 3rd time will finally make his body crumble to pieces...

IMO, JMM can't overtake PAC in amazing P4P race...
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A question.In all seriousness do you just copy and paste this stuff.Ive noticed that you posted this exact mantra,word for word, in about three different threads...But in this one ya added the part about over taking in the p4p race ??Hey,do what you do,only wondering

David Diaz 'A giant'.....come on man.The hype is just to thick here.Diaz was basically a belt warmer and if ya looked hard enough you could see 'everlast' stamped on his forehead.He had no chance and served as the one dimensional,predictable perfect foil for Pac to springboard into the lightweight division...grab a strap...and then leave.

[KKisser]

i'm also sure that had jmm been the one to give oscar a whooping he would have been hailed the bestest lol. talk about double standards.

[JazMerkin]

Yes, JMM's win is impressive... It's slightly more impressive than PAC's win over Hoya... But if you put things together, PAC's wins over JMM, Diaz and Hoya is definitely greater than JMM's wins on JDiaz and Casa...
.

JMM's fights with Pac were close and inconclusive... so scratch that one. And a shot DLH doesn't measure up to a prime Casamayor. I don't agree with you.

i supposed if pac would have fought casa and gave him a whooping like he did oscar then casa would have been called shot, washed up and old. lol

No, Casamayor had not lost 3 of his previous 6 fights in the preceding 5 years (not including the Sturm debacle which is officially a win). He'd only lost twice in 11 fights & those were against Corrales & Castillo. In contrast in that time whilst ODLH's wins were against Sturm (see above), Mayorga & Stevie Forbes. In that time Casamayor beat Nate Campbell, Corrales (twice), Daniel Seda, Santa Cruz (debatable decision) & Michael Katsidis. If Pac had fought almost any of the other belt-holders in 135 division, he would of got much more credit then he did for beating David Diaz. If he beats Hatton as I think he will then there will be no room for debate

[TitoFan]

i supposed if pac would have fought casa and gave him a whooping like he did oscar then casa would have been called shot, washed up and old. lol

I hate Oscar, so I'm not one to defend him. But are you implying that Oscar WASN'T completely past his prime, and pretty well shot, when he fought Pac? 'Cause if you are... you are in a definite minority.

i'm sure you said oscar was shot before his fight with pac just like everybody else lol.

With the size difference, I didn't think it would matter. But I must admit to being totally blown away by how bad DLH looked during the fight. Or are you going to claim that was vintage DLH?