Catch Weight - Title fight?

[fan johnny]

If Mosley and Pacquiao meet at a catch weight of 144.5 splitting the welterweight limits.

Will the 147 Titles and the 140 Titles be up for grabs here because it is all the welterweight class, Right?

Do they have to agree to put up their titles or is it up to the sanctioning bodies? I'm sure they are going to ask for their cut.

And what about the Ring belt?

Does it not defeat the purpose of having the weight class?

[bzkfn]

If Mosley and Pacquiao meet at a catch weight of 144.5 splitting the welterweight limits.

Will the 147 Titles and the 140 Titles be up for grabs here because it is all the welterweight class, Right?

Do they have to agree to put up their titles or is it up to the sanctioning bodies? I'm sure they are going to ask for their cut.

And what about the Ring belt?

Does it not defeat the purpose of having the weight class?

I was going to ask this same question. I know the 140lb IBO belt and Ring belt won't be on the line as its above the 140lb limit.

I'm not sure were the sanctioning bodies stand on this issue. Technically, it would be under 147 so the belt could be on the line, but if the contractual weight is not 147 then I'm unsure if they'd sanction it. If it was the Ring belt (which it won't be), then it would be on the line because Hopkins fought Wright at 170 for the Light-Heavy ring belt.

[CutMeMick]

It would be to all the parties involved.

I'm sure as long as EVERYONE get's a piece of the $ pie $ they can come to an agreement.

SRL-Lanlonde was for 2 titles in 2 different classes BUT they both had to weigh in twice and weigh in at each weight class.

For example SSM & Pac would both have to weigh in at the 140 limit then go and weigh in again to the 147 limit.

I think Hopkins wanted to do the same when he was gonna fight Joe.
He wanted to have both his Light Heavy titles along with Joes Super Middle titles on the line.

It's possible...

[Taeth]

I think that shouldn't be the case, however, I am not sure if its not hte case. It doesn't make sense for Mosley to win the 140 pound belt because he couldn't defend it or make that weight, and if Pacquiao isn't fighting Mosley at the 147 pound limit, he shouldn't get the belt that says he did.

[Master]

I do not think it should be allowed one fight at one weight for one title.

[bzkfn]

It would be to all the parties involved.

I'm sure as long as EVERYONE get's a piece of the $ pie $ they can come to an agreement.

SRL-Lanlonde was for 2 titles in 2 different classes BUT they both had to weigh in twice and weigh in at each weight class.

For example SSM & Pac would both have to weigh in at the 140 limit then go and weigh in again to the 147 limit.

I think Hopkins wanted to do the same when he was gonna fight Joe.
He wanted to have both his Light Heavy titles along with Joe's Super Middle titles on the line.

It's possible...

It was Jones that wanted to do that, but Calzaghe had already given up his belts.

[beerjelly]

Only the welterweight (147) belts could be up for grabs. Anything between 140 and 147 is a welterweight regardless of whether or not the fighters concerned agree to weigh in at 145 or whatever.

Anywhere in that seven pound margin and youre a welterweight.

[AdamGB]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... if Pac wants to claim that he has a won a belt at welter and beaten a welter weight fighter then he HAS to let them fight at 147...

If he doesn't want to fight a 147 pound fighter then he should stop fucking about with/talking about Welterweights.
There's no shame in simply not being big enough but don't try to mug people off.

You want to move up a weight class then you let the opposition fight at what ever weight within that limit they want... otherwise why should you have the right to their belt if it's not at their weight?...

For example is David Haye trying to get Wlad to fight at a catch weight closer to cruiser weight?

Is he fuck.

Roach knows what he's doing and luckily Pac is such a big draw that the money is enough to tempt these guys to weight drain themselves

[blegit]

Unless the rules have been changed at a catchweight there is no title on the line. Reason being is they would both be over the 140 pound limit so that is a given as to why. And even though for the sake of a call anything between 140 and 147 is welterweight there would be no welterweight title on the line because Mosley is not allowed to make welterweight limit. If the welterweight title were allowed to be on the line then technically Mosley could lose the title on the scale without even weighing over 147. That would be a contradiction of the rules. Although I have heard that nowadays you can do just about anything if its in the contract and the influence of big money is involved. Boxing has bent a lot of rules. So I wouldn't be surprised if even a sanctioning body allowed the lower weight to be on the line. This would be a cheating way to get a higher belt because Pac is not really fighting a welterweight.

[fan johnny]

Unless the rules have been changed at a catchweight there is no title on the line. Reason being is they would both be over the 140 pound limit so that is a given as to why. And even though for the sake of a call anything between 140 and 147 is welterweight there would be no welterweight title on the line because Mosley is not allowed to make welterweight limit. If the welterweight title were allowed to be on the line then technically Mosley could lose the title on the scale without even weighing over 147. That would be a contradiction of the rules. Although I have heard that nowadays you can do just about anything if its in the contract and the influence of big money is involved. Boxing has bent a lot of rules. So I wouldn't be surprised if even a sanctioning body allowed the lower weight to be on the line. This would be a cheating way to get a higher belt because Pac is not really fighting a welterweight.

Ok, now I'm really confused I thought the welterweight class was 140 to 147 and 147 being the maximum. 140 being the minimum. If a fighter comes in lower than the 140 the fight is a NC? (Boxing commission) So I can't understand why Mosley's title wouldn't be at risk since it is still a welterweight bout? I thought that the catch weight is a contractual agreement for maximum official weigh-in weight between the fighters. If he weighs in above the catch weight limit but under the 147 limit wouldn't it just be called a NC, if Pacquiao says no because it's in his contract?

If I understand correctly you're saying that the sanctioning body has to agree to modify the rules to suit the fighters agreement. (Is that even legally possible) I would think that if Mosley didn't make the catch weight but made the welterweight limit then contractually the fight would be ruled a NC, rather than him losing the belt.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think that shouldn't be the case, however, I am not sure if its not hte case. It doesn't make sense for Mosley to win the 140 pound belt because he couldn't defend it or make that weight, and if Pacquiao isn't fighting Mosley at the 147 pound limit, he shouldn't get the belt that says he did.

agreed, you want a welterweight strap, you do it at welterweight, people try to thrash Mayweather all the time but hey, he wanted the 5 titles in 5 weight classes thing, he went up to 154 to fight Oscar, IMO PAC's gonna have to do the same

[fan johnny]

I think that shouldn't be the case, however, I am not sure if its not hte case. It doesn't make sense for Mosley to win the 140 pound belt because he couldn't defend it or make that weight, and if Pacquiao isn't fighting Mosley at the 147 pound limit, he shouldn't get the belt that says he did.

agreed, you want a welterweight strap, you do it at welterweight, people try to thrash Mayweather all the time but hey, he wanted the 5 titles in 5 weight classes thing, he went up to 154 to fight Oscar, IMO PAC's gonna have to do the same

Dude! Mayweather went up 1 weightclass after fighting 3 fights at welter for two and a half years. Do you realize Pac came up from 135 and was 130 one fight before that in less than 9 months to face De la Hoya? He met De La Hoya going down 1 weight class as Pacquiao's was going up 2 weight classes. Who does that?

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think that shouldn't be the case, however, I am not sure if its not hte case. It doesn't make sense for Mosley to win the 140 pound belt because he couldn't defend it or make that weight, and if Pacquiao isn't fighting Mosley at the 147 pound limit, he shouldn't get the belt that says he did.

agreed, you want a welterweight strap, you do it at welterweight, people try to thrash Mayweather all the time but hey, he wanted the 5 titles in 5 weight classes thing, he went up to 154 to fight Oscar, IMO PAC's gonna have to do the same

Dude! Mayweather went up 1 weightclass after fighting 3 fights at welter for two and a half years. Do you realize Pac came up from 135 and was 130 one fight before that in less than 9 months to face De la Hoya? He met De La Hoya going down 1 weight class as Pacquiao's was going up 2 weight classes. Who does that?

Shane Mosley, oh a minus the DLH having to go down to a weight class he hadn't fought at for nearly a decade

[Taeth]

Mosley would make 144 even just fine, stop making excuses.

[Violent Demise]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... if Pac wants to claim that he has a won a belt at welter and beaten a welter weight fighter then he HAS to let them fight at 147...

If he doesn't want to fight a 147 pound fighter then he should stop fucking about with/talking about Welterweights.
There's no shame in simply not being big enough but don't try to mug people off.

You want to move up a weight class then you let the opposition fight at what ever weight within that limit they want... otherwise why should you have the right to their belt if it's not at their weight?...

For example is David Haye trying to get Wlad to fight at a catch weight closer to cruiser weight?

Is he fuck.

Roach knows what he's doing and luckily Pac is such a big draw that the money is enough to tempt these guys to weight drain themselves

The only reason he hasn't asked for that is cuz there is no catch weight between Cruiser and Heavy.