Catch Weight - Title fight?

[AdamGB]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... if Pac wants to claim that he has a won a belt at welter and beaten a welter weight fighter then he HAS to let them fight at 147...

If he doesn't want to fight a 147 pound fighter then he should stop fucking about with/talking about Welterweights.
There's no shame in simply not being big enough but don't try to mug people off.

You want to move up a weight class then you let the opposition fight at what ever weight within that limit they want... otherwise why should you have the right to their belt if it's not at their weight?...

For example is David Haye trying to get Wlad to fight at a catch weight closer to cruiser weight?

Is he fuck.

Roach knows what he's doing and luckily Pac is such a big draw that the money is enough to tempt these guys to weight drain themselves

[blegit]

Unless the rules have been changed at a catchweight there is no title on the line. Reason being is they would both be over the 140 pound limit so that is a given as to why. And even though for the sake of a call anything between 140 and 147 is welterweight there would be no welterweight title on the line because Mosley is not allowed to make welterweight limit. If the welterweight title were allowed to be on the line then technically Mosley could lose the title on the scale without even weighing over 147. That would be a contradiction of the rules. Although I have heard that nowadays you can do just about anything if its in the contract and the influence of big money is involved. Boxing has bent a lot of rules. So I wouldn't be surprised if even a sanctioning body allowed the lower weight to be on the line. This would be a cheating way to get a higher belt because Pac is not really fighting a welterweight.

[fan johnny]

Unless the rules have been changed at a catchweight there is no title on the line. Reason being is they would both be over the 140 pound limit so that is a given as to why. And even though for the sake of a call anything between 140 and 147 is welterweight there would be no welterweight title on the line because Mosley is not allowed to make welterweight limit. If the welterweight title were allowed to be on the line then technically Mosley could lose the title on the scale without even weighing over 147. That would be a contradiction of the rules. Although I have heard that nowadays you can do just about anything if its in the contract and the influence of big money is involved. Boxing has bent a lot of rules. So I wouldn't be surprised if even a sanctioning body allowed the lower weight to be on the line. This would be a cheating way to get a higher belt because Pac is not really fighting a welterweight.

Ok, now I'm really confused I thought the welterweight class was 140 to 147 and 147 being the maximum. 140 being the minimum. If a fighter comes in lower than the 140 the fight is a NC? (Boxing commission) So I can't understand why Mosley's title wouldn't be at risk since it is still a welterweight bout? I thought that the catch weight is a contractual agreement for maximum official weigh-in weight between the fighters. If he weighs in above the catch weight limit but under the 147 limit wouldn't it just be called a NC, if Pacquiao says no because it's in his contract?

If I understand correctly you're saying that the sanctioning body has to agree to modify the rules to suit the fighters agreement. (Is that even legally possible) I would think that if Mosley didn't make the catch weight but made the welterweight limit then contractually the fight would be ruled a NC, rather than him losing the belt.

[Violent Demise]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... if Pac wants to claim that he has a won a belt at welter and beaten a welter weight fighter then he HAS to let them fight at 147...

If he doesn't want to fight a 147 pound fighter then he should stop fucking about with/talking about Welterweights.
There's no shame in simply not being big enough but don't try to mug people off.

You want to move up a weight class then you let the opposition fight at what ever weight within that limit they want... otherwise why should you have the right to their belt if it's not at their weight?...

For example is David Haye trying to get Wlad to fight at a catch weight closer to cruiser weight?

Is he fuck.

Roach knows what he's doing and luckily Pac is such a big draw that the money is enough to tempt these guys to weight drain themselves

The only reason he hasn't asked for that is cuz there is no catch weight between Cruiser and Heavy.

[AdamGB]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... if Pac wants to claim that he has a won a belt at welter and beaten a welter weight fighter then he HAS to let them fight at 147...

If he doesn't want to fight a 147 pound fighter then he should stop fucking about with/talking about Welterweights.
There's no shame in simply not being big enough but don't try to mug people off.

You want to move up a weight class then you let the opposition fight at what ever weight within that limit they want... otherwise why should you have the right to their belt if it's not at their weight?...

For example is David Haye trying to get Wlad to fight at a catch weight closer to cruiser weight?

Is he fuck.

Roach knows what he's doing and luckily Pac is such a big draw that the money is enough to tempt these guys to weight drain themselves

The only reason he hasn't asked for that is cuz there is no catch weight between Cruiser and Heavy.

No wonder you're hard to take seriously... you don't even understand how a catch weight works. (Either that or the mention of a British fighter scrambled your ability to comprehend some simple numbers)

There's no 'standard' catch weight... it's purely contractual... it doesn't have to be exactly in the middle of two weight classes. It's what ever the two parties agree on.

pac could ask Mosely for 144 145 146, fuck even 146.9, as long as it falls within the weight division... to fight as a welterweight you just have to be 141+

Just because the Heavyweight division has no upper limit it does not mean that two parties could agree to fight at a certain weight.

No Catch weight to fight at?...
I thought you were a businessman VD? Surely you know that there are quite a few numbers that exist between haye's 200 and Wlad's 245? 44 to be exact.

Or because you're such a high roller do you only work in 50s?

But of course this is all hypothetical, my point is that Haye isn't a big enough draw to be able to use $$$ to weight drain Wlad but Pac is more than a big enough draw to tempt any Welter to fight him weight drained and he deserves no respect if he does that.

The reasons Haye wouldn't have asked for a catch weight is because a) Wlad would just laugh at him... Haye isn't worth that much $$$... how the fuck is he going to dictate to Wlad what he fights at?! and b) because Haye wants to fight Wlad at his best. Not because the numbers:

201-243

don't exist as you seem to think.

Also how could a catchweight happen inbetween a weight class? What number exists between 140 (Light Welter) and ANYTHING over 140 (Welter)? catch weights are made WITH IN weight classes (simply because basic numerical principles make it impossible for them to be made anywhere else) so I don't see how that is a problem in the heavyweight division... given it has a fucking UNLIMTED upper weight.

[Julius Rain]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... if Pac wants to claim that he has a won a belt at welter and beaten a welter weight fighter then he HAS to let them fight at 147...

If he doesn't want to fight a 147 pound fighter then he should stop fucking about with/talking about Welterweights.
There's no shame in simply not being big enough but don't try to mug people off.

You want to move up a weight class then you let the opposition fight at what ever weight within that limit they want... otherwise why should you have the right to their belt if it's not at their weight?...

For example is David Haye trying to get Wlad to fight at a catch weight closer to cruiser weight?

Is he fuck.

Roach knows what he's doing and luckily Pac is such a big draw that the money is enough to tempt these guys to weight drain themselves

The only reason he hasn't asked for that is cuz there is no catch weight between Cruiser and Heavy.

ahahahahahaha

[AdamGB]

I asume you're laughing at VD

Of course you can't have a fucking catchweight set inbetween between 200lbs and... 200lbs.

That would be pretty fucking hard.

A catchweight is just any mutually contracted weight, the weight class it falls within is merely a technicality.

The Heavyweight division starts at 200.1lbs and goes all the way up to... fucking infinite lbs.

That's quite a lot of fucking choice if you decide you want to fight at a catchweight that falls within heavyweight.

[Violent Demise]

Dude! Mayweather went up 1 weightclass after fighting 3 fights at welter for two and a half years. Do you realize Pac came up from 135 and was 130 one fight before that in less than 9 months to face De la Hoya? He met De La Hoya going down 1 weight class as Pacquiao's was going up 2 weight classes. Who does that?

Pac beat in Roach own words "a walking dead man". Rafael Marquez and Israel Vazquez would of done the same. It's not impressive once you look at the facts

Give me a break, Oscar on that night would have killed Rafael or Israel or JMM, Manny was the one who could capatalize on Oscar because of his speed and in and out ability.

It's obvious you never Boxed before. You have no idea the condition Oscar was in. He couldn't defend himself. He was dead. Nobody knew how bad it was except Roach. Roach said it himself the fight would of never happened if Oscar was still a threat. So in reality Pac beat a man who was incapable of fighting back. Wow. How much longer you going to suck his dikk for it?

I asume you're laughing at VD

Of course you can't have a fucking catchweight set inbetween between 200lbs and... 200lbs.

That would be pretty fucking hard.

A catchweight is just any mutually contracted weight, the weight class it falls within is merely a technicality.

The Heavyweight division starts at 200.1lbs and goes all the way up to... fucking infinite lbs.

That's quite a lot of fucking choice if you decide you want to fight at a catchweight that falls within heavyweight.

He's laughing at the stupidity of even bringging it up. There heavyweights for a fukking reason. You can't compare it to other divisions. And it's stupid to try. I can see it now

Haye: I want to fight for your title Wlad. But i don't feel comfortable with you being so heavy. You think you can do me a favor and come in at like 215 or 220?

How stupid is that? Do yourself a favor and admit it was an idiotic example and save what little dignity you have left

[donnydarkoIRL]

As with most recent Pacquiao fights its not about the titles.
Its about making a statement in climbing divisions and making a lot of money in doing so.

I'm sure that Shane won't mind putting his title on the line in return for the profits that could potentially be generated.

[Addicted to_boxing]

As with most recent Pacquiao fights its not about the titles.
Its about making a statement in climbing divisions and making a lot of money in doing so.

I'm sure that Shane won't mind putting his title on the line in return for the profits that could potentially be generated.

hi Donny, long time no see .... I agree, but Pac's fight criteria /stipulations are really a form of masking the opponents weakness. They're are coming off losses, slow a foot, come foward fighters with no lateral movement, old and battle, worn, no fights against 1 punch power fighters, (never fought the Soto's or Valeros) and now the latest weight drain your opponent. With the exception of JMM all of Pac's opponnets were carefully handpicked. (and the JMM fights were probably seen as no power threats) He has not fought a fighter with the opposite of the items listed above in who knows how long!! Basically a fighter of color and now that he has an opportunity he wants to weight drain them to nullify their strengths.... what a farce !

[fan johnny]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... if Pac wants to claim that he has a won a belt at welter and beaten a welter weight fighter then he HAS to let them fight at 147...

If he doesn't want to fight a 147 pound fighter then he should stop fucking about with/talking about Welterweights.
There's no shame in simply not being big enough but don't try to mug people off.

You want to move up a weight class then you let the opposition fight at what ever weight within that limit they want... otherwise why should you have the right to their belt if it's not at their weight?...

For example is David Haye trying to get Wlad to fight at a catch weight closer to cruiser weight?

Is he fuck.

Roach knows what he's doing and luckily Pac is such a big draw that the money is enough to tempt these guys to weight drain themselves

If the bout is made, they will step into the ring above the 147 welter limit and not at the catch weight limit. So I'd say you're making a bit too much out of the catch weight as far as insisting Pacquiao fight 147 pounders because isn't what you are effectively saying is that he step into the ring against a bigger fighter to get credit for the win. Welter is 140-147. I read Mosley stepped into the ring against Margarito at 160. (verify) Mosley would surely step into the ring above 154 and Pacquiao below 150. I'd say Roach contractually protecting his fighter is absolutely the right thing to do professionally and the right thing to do morally.

The fair thing for weight classes would be for fighters to step into the ring under the limit, but because of the way fighters try to gain an advantage, the rules are such as they are for safety. The topic is not so pertinent amongst fighters that meet mid range of the weight class but when fighters meet coming from the extremes of the weight class it gets really hot.

[AdamGB]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... if Pac wants to claim that he has a won a belt at welter and beaten a welter weight fighter then he HAS to let them fight at 147...

If he doesn't want to fight a 147 pound fighter then he should stop fucking about with/talking about Welterweights.
There's no shame in simply not being big enough but don't try to mug people off.

You want to move up a weight class then you let the opposition fight at what ever weight within that limit they want... otherwise why should you have the right to their belt if it's not at their weight?...

For example is David Haye trying to get Wlad to fight at a catch weight closer to cruiser weight?

Is he fuck.

Roach knows what he's doing and luckily Pac is such a big draw that the money is enough to tempt these guys to weight drain themselves

If the bout is made, they will step into the ring above the 147 welter limit and not at the catch weight limit. So I'd say you're making a bit too much out of the catch weight as far as insisting Pacquiao fight 147 pounders because isn't what you are effectively saying is that he step into the ring against a bigger fighter to get credit for the win. Welter is 140-147. I read Mosley stepped into the ring against Margarito at 160. (verify) Mosley would surely step into the ring above 154 and Pacquiao below 150. I'd say Roach contractually protecting his fighter is absolutely the right thing to do professionally and the right thing to do morally.

The fair thing for weight classes would be for fighters to step into the ring under the limit, but because of the way fighters try to gain an advantage, the rules are such as they are for safety. The topic is not so pertinent amongst fighters that meet mid range of the weight class but when fighters meet coming from the extremes of the weight class it gets really hot.

Fighters always step into the ring heavier on fight night than the do on the day of the weigh in, this isn't news and it's besides the point.

Do you have any idea how much it takes out of having to force yourself down to a weight for a weigh in? It takes a lot out of you... the further you go from your natural weight the harder it's going to be to rehydrate and refuel afterwards and the weaker you are going to be.

Pac beat in Roach own words "a walking dead man". Rafael Marquez and Israel Vazquez would of done the same. It's not impressive once you look at the facts

Give me a break, Oscar on that night would have killed Rafael or Israel or JMM, Manny was the one who could capatalize on Oscar because of his speed and in and out ability.

It's obvious you never Boxed before. You have no idea the condition Oscar was in. He couldn't defend himself. He was dead. Nobody knew how bad it was except Roach. Roach said it himself the fight would of never happened if Oscar was still a threat. So in reality Pac beat a man who was incapable of fighting back. Wow. How much longer you going to suck his dikk for it?

I asume you're laughing at VD

Of course you can't have a fucking catchweight set inbetween between 200lbs and... 200lbs.

That would be pretty fucking hard.

A catchweight is just any mutually contracted weight, the weight class it falls within is merely a technicality.

The Heavyweight division starts at 200.1lbs and goes all the way up to... fucking infinite lbs.

That's quite a lot of fucking choice if you decide you want to fight at a catchweight that falls within heavyweight.

Haye: I want to fight for your title Wlad. But i don't feel comfortable with you being so heavy. You think you can do me a favor and come in at like 215 or 220?

How stupid is that? Do yourself a favor and admit it was an idiotic example and save what little dignity you have left

That's exactly my point you moron. Thank you. It's exactly what the Pac camp is trying to do because they have the $$$ to get away with it and it stinks.

Apparently we can also add reading comprehension to the list of things too perplexing for VD, along with numeracy.

[Mr140]

I wish that he would just fight Mosely at the 147 limit its for the title and why would he not go up to the weight and try to beat Mosely. I mean its seem kinda of chicken shit to me but o well it all about money anyhow. I mean you imagine Hagler fighting Leonard form a catch weight guys.

[Violent Demise]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... if Pac wants to claim that he has a won a belt at welter and beaten a welter weight fighter then he HAS to let them fight at 147...

If he doesn't want to fight a 147 pound fighter then he should stop fucking about with/talking about Welterweights.
There's no shame in simply not being big enough but don't try to mug people off.

You want to move up a weight class then you let the opposition fight at what ever weight within that limit they want... otherwise why should you have the right to their belt if it's not at their weight?...

For example is David Haye trying to get Wlad to fight at a catch weight closer to cruiser weight?

Is he fuck.

Roach knows what he's doing and luckily Pac is such a big draw that the money is enough to tempt these guys to weight drain themselves

If the bout is made, they will step into the ring above the 147 welter limit and not at the catch weight limit. So I'd say you're making a bit too much out of the catch weight as far as insisting Pacquiao fight 147 pounders because isn't what you are effectively saying is that he step into the ring against a bigger fighter to get credit for the win. Welter is 140-147. I read Mosley stepped into the ring against Margarito at 160. (verify) Mosley would surely step into the ring above 154 and Pacquiao below 150. I'd say Roach contractually protecting his fighter is absolutely the right thing to do professionally and the right thing to do morally.

The fair thing for weight classes would be for fighters to step into the ring under the limit, but because of the way fighters try to gain an advantage, the rules are such as they are for safety. The topic is not so pertinent amongst fighters that meet mid range of the weight class but when fighters meet coming from the extremes of the weight class it gets really hot.

Fighters always step into the ring heavier on fight night than the do on the day of the weigh in, this isn't news and it's besides the point.

Do you have any idea how much it takes out of having to force yourself down to a weight for a weigh in? It takes a lot out of you... the further you go from your natural weight the harder it's going to be to rehydrate and refuel afterwards and the weaker you are going to be.

It's obvious you never Boxed before. You have no idea the condition Oscar was in. He couldn't defend himself. He was dead. Nobody knew how bad it was except Roach. Roach said it himself the fight would of never happened if Oscar was still a threat. So in reality Pac beat a man who was incapable of fighting back. Wow. How much longer you going to suck his dikk for it?

I asume you're laughing at VD

Of course you can't have a fucking catchweight set inbetween between 200lbs and... 200lbs.

That would be pretty fucking hard.

A catchweight is just any mutually contracted weight, the weight class it falls within is merely a technicality.

The Heavyweight division starts at 200.1lbs and goes all the way up to... fucking infinite lbs.

That's quite a lot of fucking choice if you decide you want to fight at a catchweight that falls within heavyweight.

Haye: I want to fight for your title Wlad. But i don't feel comfortable with you being so heavy. You think you can do me a favor and come in at like 215 or 220?

How stupid is that? Do yourself a favor and admit it was an idiotic example and save what little dignity you have left

That's exactly my point you moron. Thank you. It's exactly what the Pac camp is trying to do because they have the $$$ to get away with it and it stinks.

Apparently we can also add reading comprehension to the list of things too perplexing for VD, along with numeracy.

I don't agree with Pac coward move of trying to get Mosley at a catch weight. But as a smaller fighter the option is there. The option doesn't exist at Heavyweight. It was a stupid ass example. Accept it. And move the fukk on.

[fan johnny]

Fighters always step into the ring heavier on fight night than the do on the day of the weigh in, this isn't news and it's besides the point.

Do you have any idea how much it takes out of having to force yourself down to a weight for a weigh in? It takes a lot out of you... the further you go from your natural weight the harder it's going to be to rehydrate and refuel afterwards and the weaker you are going to be.

Let me get your opinion into focus, You're stating that Mosley having to shed 2-3 pounds more for Pacquiao than when he fought Margarito is going to weight drain Mosley? ah.. ok then, I get it. I think it a stretch but I get it....