If these guys fought prime 4 prime on there best night who would have most Wins?

[rjj tszyu]

Well I think at his absolute best Holyfield beats all the rest so.

Holyfield (4-0)
Lewis (3-1)
Tyson (2-2)
Bowe (1-3)
Wlad (0-4)

Sorry Wlad but I just don't see you beating any of the above at their best!

[BIG H]

im forever hearing about tyson in his prime and the hard reality is that MT always had trouble against big men who could jab and move. Douglas beat him fair and square after bein put on the broad of his back. If MT wasnt fit/having problems/drinking/whoring then tough s**t. Thats his own fault. One of Douglas parents had just died so he would have had his problems too, or does MT have the copyright.
anyhow,
1. Lewis. greatly underated and in time will be appreciated. history
will be kind to him.Fought everyone and anyone.
2.Holyfield. great heart,boxing ability and will to win
3.Tyson. no longevity so therefore not great. Exciting yes, explosive yes
Up with the greats? puur-lease. also paid 'step aside' money.
4.Bowe. Nothing special. relinquised title rather than fight lewis. self explanitory.
5.Klitschko. anti-Lewis people always say he was beating Lewis.Less than mid-rounds stoppage and 60stitches says different

How much did he really stuggle though? He may have had more trouble than he did with other style fighters, but he wasn't truly in trouble against.......

Bonecrusher
Biggs
Thomas
Tucker
Tubbs

[rjj tszyu]

im forever hearing about tyson in his prime and the hard reality is that MT always had trouble against big men who could jab and move. Douglas beat him fair and square after bein put on the broad of his back. If MT wasnt fit/having problems/drinking/whoring then tough s**t. Thats his own fault. One of Douglas parents had just died so he would have had his problems too, or does MT have the copyright.
anyhow,
1. Lewis. greatly underated and in time will be appreciated. history
will be kind to him.Fought everyone and anyone.
2.Holyfield. great heart,boxing ability and will to win
3.Tyson. no longevity so therefore not great. Exciting yes, explosive yes
Up with the greats? puur-lease. also paid 'step aside' money.
4.Bowe. Nothing special. relinquised title rather than fight lewis. self explanitory.
5.Klitschko. anti-Lewis people always say he was beating Lewis.Less than mid-rounds stoppage and 60stitches says different

#1 Wrong Klitschko, Vitali fought Lennox

#2 Vitali WAS winning the fight when it was properly stopped

#3 Ever notice that there was no rematch, it wasn't because Vitali didn't want or earn one

No it was because Lewis realised he had almost come to the end and a rematch with Vitali could have ended in disaster.

The greatest call on retirement I have ever seen in boxing. Lennox earned my respect when he retired.

[BIG H]

Well I think at his absolute best Holyfield beats all the rest so.

Holyfield (4-0)
Lewis (3-1)
Tyson (2-2)
Bowe (1-3)
Wlad (0-4)

Sorry Wlad but I just don't see you beating any of the above at their best!

Holyfieldwas at his best he lost the first Bowe fight imo

[rjj tszyu]

im forever hearing about tyson in his prime and the hard reality is that MT always had trouble against big men who could jab and move. Douglas beat him fair and square after bein put on the broad of his back. If MT wasnt fit/having problems/drinking/whoring then tough s**t. Thats his own fault. One of Douglas parents had just died so he would have had his problems too, or does MT have the copyright.
anyhow,
1. Lewis. greatly underated and in time will be appreciated. history
will be kind to him.Fought everyone and anyone.
2.Holyfield. great heart,boxing ability and will to win
3.Tyson. no longevity so therefore not great. Exciting yes, explosive yes
Up with the greats? puur-lease. also paid 'step aside' money.
4.Bowe. Nothing special. relinquised title rather than fight lewis. self explanitory.
5.Klitschko. anti-Lewis people always say he was beating Lewis.Less than mid-rounds stoppage and 60stitches says different

How much did he really stuggle though? He may have had more trouble than he did with other style fighters, but he wasn't truly in trouble against.......

Bonecrusher
Biggs
Thomas
Tucker
Tubbs

He wasn't in trouble vs bonecrusher until bonecrusher decided to punch him in the last round. then he seemed to have quite a few problems.

[BIG H]

im forever hearing about tyson in his prime and the hard reality is that MT always had trouble against big men who could jab and move. Douglas beat him fair and square after bein put on the broad of his back. If MT wasnt fit/having problems/drinking/whoring then tough s**t. Thats his own fault. One of Douglas parents had just died so he would have had his problems too, or does MT have the copyright.
anyhow,
1. Lewis. greatly underated and in time will be appreciated. history
will be kind to him.Fought everyone and anyone.
2.Holyfield. great heart,boxing ability and will to win
3.Tyson. no longevity so therefore not great. Exciting yes, explosive yes
Up with the greats? puur-lease. also paid 'step aside' money.
4.Bowe. Nothing special. relinquised title rather than fight lewis. self explanitory.
5.Klitschko. anti-Lewis people always say he was beating Lewis.Less than mid-rounds stoppage and 60stitches says different

How much did he really stuggle though? He may have had more trouble than he did with other style fighters, but he wasn't truly in trouble against.......

Bonecrusher
Biggs
Thomas
Tucker
Tubbs

He wasn't in trouble vs bonecrusher until bonecrusher decided to punch him in the last round. then he seemed to have quite a few problems.

It was a heavy weight world title fight, he was gonna have moments where everything didn't go his way, but he still won clearly like he did in all of his fights pre Douglas

[rjj tszyu]

Well I think at his absolute best Holyfield beats all the rest so.

Holyfield (4-0)
Lewis (3-1)
Tyson (2-2)
Bowe (1-3)
Wlad (0-4)

Sorry Wlad but I just don't see you beating any of the above at their best!

Holyfieldwas at his best he lost the first Bowe fight imo

Nah not IMO. He was in the rematch but Bowe may not have been. In the first match he had just lost his brother after he was shot in the chest by his best friend. I think that may have had some mental effect.

[BIG H]

Well I think at his absolute best Holyfield beats all the rest so.

Holyfield (4-0)
Lewis (3-1)
Tyson (2-2)
Bowe (1-3)
Wlad (0-4)

Sorry Wlad but I just don't see you beating any of the above at their best!

Holyfieldwas at his best he lost the first Bowe fight imo

Nah not IMO. He was in the rematch but Bowe may not have been. In the first match he had just lost his brother after he was shot in the chest by his best friend. I think that may have had some mental effect.

I just think he came up against somebody that was at their very peak and was far too big. P4P Holyfield may have won that fight, but Bowe's performance is one of the best and most complete I have seen in a Heavyweight world Title fight. Bowe never reproduced that form again though.

Bowe was overqweight, under prepared and had to deal with not knowing what had happend to his wife (Fan Man) in the 2nd fight, which Holyfiled just nicked imo.

Having said that Bowe did decide to kidnap his wife a few years later, so maybe he wasn't that fond of her anyway

[DaxxKahn]

Lewis

Tyson

Holyfield

Bowe

Wlad

[ICB]

im forever hearing about tyson in his prime and the hard reality is that MT always had trouble against big men who could jab and move. Douglas beat him fair and square after bein put on the broad of his back. If MT wasnt fit/having problems/drinking/whoring then tough s**t. Thats his own fault. One of Douglas parents had just died so he would have had his problems too, or does MT have the copyright.
anyhow,
1. Lewis. greatly underated and in time will be appreciated. history
will be kind to him.Fought everyone and anyone.
2.Holyfield. great heart,boxing ability and will to win
3.Tyson. no longevity so therefore not great. Exciting yes, explosive yes
Up with the greats? puur-lease. also paid 'step aside' money.
4.Bowe. Nothing special. relinquised title rather than fight lewis. self explanitory.
5.Klitschko. anti-Lewis people always say he was beating Lewis.Less than mid-rounds stoppage and 60stitches says different

How much did he really stuggle though? He may have had more trouble than he did with other style fighters, but he wasn't truly in trouble against.......

Bonecrusher
Biggs
Thomas
Tucker
Tubbs

He was in trouble against James Tillis, and had it not been for a bit of a lucky knockdown. He may well of lost that fight on points.

[ICB]

Holyfieldwas at his best he lost the first Bowe fight imo

Nah not IMO. He was in the rematch but Bowe may not have been. In the first match he had just lost his brother after he was shot in the chest by his best friend. I think that may have had some mental effect.

I just think he came up against somebody that was at their very peak and was far too big. P4P Holyfield may have won that fight, but Bowe's performance is one of the best and most complete I have seen in a Heavyweight world Title fight. Bowe never reproduced that form again though.

Bowe was overqweight, under prepared and had to deal with not knowing what had happend to his wife (Fan Man) in the 2nd fight, which Holyfiled just nicked imo.

Having said that Bowe did decide to kidnap his wife a few years later, so maybe he wasn't that fond of her anyway

Riddick Bowe looked like complete fighter because Evander Holyfield, stood right infront of the much bigger man and was over-powered which played into Riddick Bowe's hand. Evander Holyfield was better in the rematch because he had much better tactics, sticking-moving and sometimes staying on the inside and countering.

Riddick Bowe even in his prime didn't do well against fighters with good jabs, that kept him on the outside. He was outboxed by a shot Tony Tubbs. And received a gift decision, and he was getting outboxed by Tyrell Biggs until Riddick Bowe caught up to Tyrell Biggs.

[BIG H]

Speaking of Tony Tubbs, what a wasted talent he was. He could've been a fantastic champion. I think he went something like 250-10 as an amateur and was destined for great things

[ICB]

Speaking of Tony Tubbs, what a wasted talent he was. He could've been a fantastic champion. I think he went something like 250-10 as an amateur and was destined for great things

Alot of the 80's Heavyweights were talented mate, Greg Page was a bit like Muhammad Ali. And everyone thought he was the new Muhammad Ali, because he was from the same hometown, and he had the low hand style like Muhammad Ali. Muhammad Ali was even impressed by Greg Page when he see him fight.

Tony Tubbs was really good though, and he had very fast hands. And he's got to be borderline top 10 for the fastest handspeed ever at Heavyweight. But he was lazy in training, got overweight then drugs affected him.

Which is basically the story for most of the lost generation of Heavyweights in the 80s, he was pretty good in the Riddick Bowe fight, that night Riddick Bowe was taught a bit of boxing lesson IMO.

[johnmaff36]

to Kyle.
apologies,ur right it was vitali and thats who i thought we were talking about as its generally accepted that he is the better of the siblings. And your right, he was marginally ahead but its not a 6 round fight, its a 12rounder. A finished Lewis gave him 60 stitches and stopped him, thats fact. just because he maybe won 3 outta 5 rounds dont mean diddly squat. if thats the case then marciano wouldnt have won a world title, Conn woulda beat louis etc etc.

[Slowmotion426]

Wlad would destroy all of them.