Nacho Beristain: Marquez doesn't have the speed!

[generalbulldog]

As much as I am a fan of JMM this fight shouldn't have been made. It's just so much a complete mismatch. Power, youth, speed, skills, size, everything is in Floyd's favor.

[markb018]

This article was already proven bogus. If you goto eastside boxing they did an interview with nacho, jmm and odlh. Nacho says he is very pleased with how training is going and the speed is there if not better

[jokaleras]

This article was already proven bogus. If you goto eastside boxing they did an interview with nacho, jmm and odlh. Nacho says he is very pleased with how training is going and the speed is there if not better

nice. thanks for that.

[chip]

This article was already proven bogus. If you goto eastside boxing they did an interview with nacho, jmm and odlh. Nacho says he is very pleased with how training is going and the speed is there if not better

nice. thanks for that.

thats great news thanks for that

[ICB]

I know this article is bogus, but are people forgetting Manny Pacquiao. Is faster than JMM, yet JMM was still very effective against Manny Pacquiao. Because JMM has excellent timing, speed isn't everything.

[Nameless]

I know this article is bogus, but are people forgetting Manny Pacquiao. Is faster than JMM, yet JMM was still very effective against Manny Pacquiao. Because JMM has excellent timing, speed isn't everything.

That's for sure, personally, I think that too many peoples are counting JMM as dead right now way too fast, we have to give Moneyfloyd the edge but I don't think it'll be a one sided decision like many think it will be.

[SRR]

I know this article is bogus, but are people forgetting Manny Pacquiao. Is faster than JMM, yet JMM was still very effective against Manny Pacquiao. Because JMM has excellent timing, speed isn't everything.

You are right, but what is going to be interesting to observe is whether Mayweather allows this to count. I mean, yes, JMM's excellent timing worked fantastically against Pacquiao, who only knows one way to fight - in and out, aggressive. If Mayweather decides to just counter and go for points, I favour Mayweather. If Mayweather decides to go on the offensive at any point Marquez will hurt him, and might even stop him if PBF goes toe-to-toe for a sustained period. But we all know that PBF is not likely to jeopardize a victory in order to look good, and will probably just allow JMM to be the aggressor in the first half of the fight, making him miss big wherever he can, and then take control with crisp counter punching in the second half of the fight - just as he did with De La Hoya.

[Snakey]

I know this article is bogus, but are people forgetting Manny Pacquiao. Is faster than JMM, yet JMM was still very effective against Manny Pacquiao. Because JMM has excellent timing, speed isn't everything.

Kostya Tszyu always said that timing was key and even claimed that his powerful punch was the result of good timing

[the inbetweener]

you really cant compare a olympic sprinters muscles to a boxer. a boxer needs stamina sprinters has very little. marathon runner maybe and we all know how a marathon runners physique is.


you can gain weight by just eating a lot and get fat or eat and build up muscles. a boxers speed might be affected a little since you gained more weight.

My original point was on muscle mass affecting speed; I never said it was the ideal boxer's physique.

Also, your point is academic: A marathon is consistent running/fast jogging over 2.5 hours and a boxing match is quick bursts of staccato action throughout a round, as well as minute's rest between them. Of course stamina is required, but it is combined with speed and explosive power. This is why many more boxers these days don't do long jogs, preferring to weight train, do short, sharp sprints and spar.

I don't really understand how you can imply a fighter's speed can diminish if he gains lean mass (within reason). Is Pacquiao really any slower at 140 than he was at 122?

[Addicted to_boxing]

You guys are trying to be scientific when it is common sense. It all in the Glutes. Most power is generated by lower body strength. The rest can be attributed to long arms ( with speed and extension) Marquez has both average . Strictly relies on tecnique and heart. Pac has greater lower body strength and speed with extension which carries up in weight


So given that information who was the last fighter Pac fought with great lower body strength and / or upper body strength? Morales the sole exception with 173cm. However he had no noted quickness at that stage of his boxing career ( never considered a KO artist ) Never able to use his quickness and length for power like Hearns.

So out of curiosity which "athlete" has Pac fought? Most have been average athletes over 30 years of age and on the end of their fighting careers, battle worn and with straight foward styles. Now Cotto does meet the challenge on paper but Margarito already did a "Color Me Mine " plaster job on Cotto so Pac should not receive credit for sending him into retirement just another " has been" Pac opponent.


There are only 4 opponents that stand a chance against Pac


JMM @ 135 More than this weight is a great advantage to Pac
Soto @ 135 More than this weight is a great advantage to Pac

PBF @147 asking this guy to weigh less is bullshit
Mosley @147 asking this guy to weigh less is bullshit
Why not have Pac weigh 10-12 lbs less in 3 more years and have him fight Abner Mares?
This is the same kinda BS his camp is pulling now

[Addicted to_boxing]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm Sounds like Pac's opponents lacking: Power, youth, and speed,. Who was the last one that had these attributes?

[Youngblood]

This isn't a Pac thread, ffs. Is it possible to stick to the subject without going off on some sorta "ya but Pac is awesome" or "ya but Pac is shit" tangent?

[JazMerkin]

This isn't a Pac thread, ffs. Is it possible to stick to the subject without going off on some sorta "ya but Pac is awesome" or "ya but Pac is shit" tangent?

WHAT?!! ARE YOU INSANE MAN??! HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A THREAD NOT ABOUT PAC?!

[CFH]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm Sounds like Pac's opponents lacking: Power, youth, and speed,. Who was the last one that had these attributes?

The irony is that you're fundamentally the same as the posters you claim to be opposed to.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm Sounds like Pac's opponents lacking: Power, youth, and speed,. Who was the last one that had these attributes?

The irony is that you're fundamentally the same as the posters you claim to be opposed to.

I am not opposed to anyone. I just asked for someone to provide facts to obvious factors that have aided in Pac's rise to fame. I thought you might be the exception. So I guess it's true that facts are facts! Plus the topic is related to speed .....

I must inform you that I love watching Pac's fights, but C'mon true fame and respect is earned not appointed.