Worst cases of Pugilistic dementia

[X]

Wilfred Benitez has to be one of the worse cases
http://www.boxingranks.com/Articles/Article71.htm
Quote "He can't walk out of the house by himself because he wouldn't know his way back," Wilfred's mother, Clara, told me recently. "He can't talk," she lamented. "He can't say the word 'cup.' His speech and memory are deteriorating fast. He trembles and can hardly move around."

Yeah, but at least he is not the President of the United States

[B@rr3r@]

Nigel Benn slurs alot now...but my god watching PLAYER on Sky you can understand why, all his fights were wars...

[means2184]

Funny story ....one time i got a cuncussion fighting at super heavy and for like a week id stutter sometimes and like food fell out of my mouth while i was chewing (it may have all been in my head) ...but when u get hit w/ a glove it reverberates all the shock to your brain ,where as a bare knuckle punch does most of the damage to the outer part of the skull


i dont have any perminent damage buit even w/ almost 30 amatur fights i get paranoid everytie i stutter or mis prounounce or forget stuff ...(when i was a teenager i found out it was just the weed smoking lol (i'm much more disciplined than in highschool ..i used to eat snacks and school lunches and do soft drugs but at 21 i'm more mature and understanding of the sport ...but yes in a sense ...in a sense brain damage is inevitable in boxing if u make a career out of it...boxers used to have a reputation for being stupid ...and when your get minor cuncussions many ties it does make reasoning & problem solving more difficult (i' not to that point) but if it can happen when u whack your noggin in an accident it sure as hell can happend when u get hit by another an 1000's of times in your life

[B@rr3r@]

Funny story ....one time i got a cuncussion fighting at super heavy and for like a week id stutter sometimes and like food fell out of my outh while i was chewing

I reckon you had just been with Wacko too long, eh? Few too many....

[means2184]

Funny story ....one time i got a cuncussion fighting at super heavy and for like a week id stutter sometimes and like food fell out of my outh while i was chewing

I reckon you hd just been with Wacko too long, eh? Few too many....

CC lol

[Lords Gym]

Scott Pemberton come to mind ! he really had a hard time getting the words of the tongue on that interview in his last fight

[Chicali]

we went out to a fight card night in E. LA and ran into Bobby Chacon. Those wars in the ring do take a toll on the brain.

[AdamGB]

Obviously Ali, Frazier, Ken Norton doesn't sound good either but that could be due to his auto accident, sadly Holyfield, Bowe, and................ Toney has been developing quite a stuttering problem lately, saw him on The Best Damn Sports Show Period and he's starting to trip over the verbage a little.

its because he talks fast. its not the same as the other guys.

What ever happened to you?

[Lance Uppercut]

I think they need to come up with some sort of regulation about boxers not being allowed to fight.

I can think of a few that should never be allowed in the ring again. Holyfield, Riddiculous Bowe, Thomas Hearns. the list is endless.

I bet most the boxers that are left damaged are those who you don't hear about that are like 14-8 -1 in their careers.

I agree, Bowe and Hearns' speach have drastically suffered.

[The Promoter]

I think they need to come up with some sort of regulation about boxers not being allowed to fight.

I can think of a few that should never be allowed in the ring again. Holyfield, Riddiculous Bowe, Thomas Hearns. the list is endless.

I bet most the boxers that are left damaged are those who you don't hear about that are like 14-8 -1 in their careers.

I agree, Bowe and Hearns' speach have drastically suffered.

I've got it from a pretty good source that Hearns actually talks to inanimate objects and expects a repsonse...my guy said that he'll talk to anything you put him in front of...I hope my information is not accurate

As a kid growing up in brooklyn there was this former boxer that would start throwing punches whenever the church bells rang...as kids we thought it was the funniest thing until he hit some old lady and got dragged away sobbing by the cops...I never got his name, I understand he died in the hospital about 6 mos after the incident...

[BoomBoom]

Ive been told ive got it pretty bad



.......seriously though

[dav8d777]

Outside of Jerry Quarry and Ali, Floyd Patterson comes to mind, Joe Frazier, Hearns, Holyfield; Terry Norris was so bad that at a Nevada State Athletic Commission hearing over his pending re-licensing, he could barely form complete sentences.
I'm sure there are tons of others that come to you guys.

Frazier & holyfeild BY NO MEANS HAVE PUGILISTIC DEMENSIA ..WHICH IS BASICLY MORE LIKE ALSEIHNMERS BUT JUST FROM BOXING

frazier & holyfeild have no such symptonms ....most carreer boxers talk slower or slur some as they progress in there 10+ yrs of boxing

but PUGILISTIC DEMENSIA IS LIKE ALSEIMERS

Agreed. On the other hand we could just talk brain damage. You are spot on though. Frazier seems perfectly lucid, but thick with the tongue. I'm not sure about Holyfield. I agree with your analysis up to now, but Frazier's battering ended years ago. Holyfield could be in for a world of brain damage given how slowly dementia shows its self. I don't think Holyfield shows full-blown dementia, but I think he is starting to sound a little dumber than before....

That's just my take though and I freely admit that it is a marginal difference at most.

[dav8d777]

Tommy Hearns,Ray Leonard,Holyfield

Tommy Hearns and Ray Leonard are still in pretty good shape compared to others.

Leonard seems to be doing fine. Hearns has a tremendous speech impediment.

[dav8d777]

I know this isn't pugilistic dementia but I thinks there's some correlation with this thread. Frank Bruno and my dad both suffer from a form of depression called bipolar syndrome, my dad boxed 42 amateur fights over 7 years, and I wonder if there's any link. Bipolar is caused by irregular levels of serotonin and dopamine being released at different times, causing over-happiness followed by crushing 'downers' that last much longer. Any insights?

I don't know the answer to that, but there is a lot of depression among well-known boxers. On the other hand these guys are often facing other problems and the rate of depression in the public generally is higher than is normally perceived.

I haven't over the decades seen a correlation between boxing and bipolar / manic and I tend to doubt there is one.

I have seen many cases of boxers with depression, but, as I'm sure you know, that is very different from bipolar.

A lot of the boxers with depression later expressed a need to stay away from recreational drugs. Bipolar on the other hand is not, to my knowledge directly connected to drugs, exercise or even head trauma.

[CutMeMick]

Terry Norris has signs of it.

But I think the worst I've seen is Bobby Chacon.