had mayweather-hatton had NOT of been reffed by cortez.....

[Gandalf]

the mere fact that 2 years on this debate is still managing endless amounts of posts pretty much vindicates my reason for bringing this up..............again

cortez robbed ricky of a fair fight

But almost all the people participating in this thread debating about Hatton's career, his abilities etc., not whether or not Cortez robbed him of a fair fight. Most people feel that the ref made almost no difference in the outcome of the fight.

He lost to Collazo too

Saying Cortez made almost no difference is too strong for me. He wouldn't let the fighters in close for more than a second in much of the fight and he took off a point at a crucial juncture in the fight. Hatton was still in that fight up until the point deduction. Hatton showing his arse to Mayweather was a man who had lost his cool.

I don't think Hatton lost to Collazo either, but then we all interpret fights in different ways.

[Gandalf]

End of the day Hatton fought a lot of his fights hooking holding and wrestling especially from Tszyu onwards the Mayweathers made this obvious to Cortez and he stopped Hatton doing it the fact of the matter is had Hatton been as good as his unbeaten 43-0 record was saying he was he would have kept his composure and found a plan b or c to win fact is his plan A was Hook his plan B was Hold and plan C Wrestle. In my opinion a fighter should only hold to the degree Hatton does to recover when hurt not as a game plan to get you through fights because you cant do it with boxing ability.

For someone that you regard as having such limited talent Hatton did remarkably well. He beat a lot of decent opponents and a handful of very good ones. I do agree that his style got more and more ragged over time and the clinch and hold strategy got trying.

As for having a plan B and a plan C, it's easier said than done really. Especially when up against Mayweather. Nobody expected Cortez to such an outright cnut did they now? Now of course everyone is wary of Cortez and it is the performance he is most famous (or should that be infamous) for.

Mayweather might well have gone on to impale Hatton against the ringpost anyway, but there is always that question mark surrounding the fight for me. Revisionism seems to be everywhere now and thus his reputation is taking a hit. It happens to most fighters at some point. Getting sparked in two by Manny was never going to advance his stock.

[SweetPea]

For someone that you regard as having such limited talent Hatton did remarkably well. He beat a lot of decent opponents and a handful of very good ones.

I'm not the person you were responding to... but the statement above is a pretty good description of how I view Hatton.

A lot of Hatton fans will say that Ricky didn't make the most out of his career because of his habits in between fights (drinking, blowing up in weight, etc.), but I actually think Hatton got the most of his talent. If I saw a young fighter of Hatton's talent level and skillset, there's no way I would expect that fighter to become a true world champ.

He wasn't very skilled IMO, yet he became the legit lineal champ at 140 and defended successfully against some good solid fighters.

But the two times when Hatton got in the ring with a true elite prime opponent, he got beat handily. And what drives me nuts sometimes about Hatton (and some of his fans) is that instead of just saying "Hey, Floyd and Manny are great fighters who were just too good", it becomes a big excuse fest, be it blaming Cortez, or saying he had a bad training camp against Pacquiao.

To put it another way, if Hatton had upset Floyd in a physical fight, and then Floyd had spent the next 2 years blaming the ref for the loss, Hatton fans would be KILLING Floyd for being a crybaby and a primadonna.

[Kel]

Miles, no offence mate, but when you made THAT thread about JT, I don't see why he didn't just throw the names Calzaghe, Barrera & Hatton back at you.

Ricky was a very very good fighter. The difference was that Mayweather & Pacquiao are GREAT fighters & that's why the outcome would never have changed if Ricky's mum got to ref both fights with his dad, brother & girlfriend judging. There's no shame in acknowledging his limits.

I personally don't see what Tszyu did that Hatton didn't in terms of 'legacy'. KO'd Zab & then...

Ok mate I will help you here. Zab was undefeated for a kick off and was the next 'Suger Ray' according to some. Tszyu stopped him in the second round to unify the division. Cotto stopped him too but 9 rounds later. Zab won the first 3/4 rounds with Floyd and took him the distance, I don't think he was even staggered againsed Floyd.

He also fought anyone and constantly said he wanted the best guys and the biggest fights. He was too high risk for Oscar and Floyd, unfortunately.

There is more though...

Tszyu had 18 fights for a world title winning 15 of them while stopping 11 of them, lost two and one was a no contest. Five wins were on his turf the other 10 on foreign soil. It was nearly 30 years since anyone unified the 140 weight division at the time Kostya did.

Oh, he held a 140 title for just under ten years too

Now, what has Hatton done to match that? <----answer this!

I like Kostya. And agree that Hatton can't match what he's done. But to say he was too high risk for Oscar is plain wrong. De La Hoya-Tszyu was going to happen. It was all set up. Unfortunately Vince Phillips stopped Tszyu in what was suppose to be a tune-up and ended all that. Can't blame
Oscar for that
oscar for that

Cheers for that, I honestly never had an idea the fight was almost set. Vince Phillips might have fucked up a great fight. Tszyu was great againsed boxers it would have been one hell of a fight for sure! No fucking doubt about it

[Violent Demise]

the mere fact that 2 years on this debate is still managing endless amounts of posts pretty much vindicates my reason for bringing this up..............again

cortez robbed ricky of a fair fight

But almost all the people participating in this thread debating about Hatton's career, his abilities etc., not whether or not Cortez robbed him of a fair fight. Most people feel that the ref made almost no difference in the outcome of the fight.

He lost to Collazo too

Saying Cortez made almost no difference is too strong for me. He wouldn't let the fighters in close for more than a second in much of the fight and he took off a point at a crucial juncture in the fight. Hatton was still in that fight up until the point deduction. Hatton showing his arse to Mayweather was a man who had lost his cool.

I don't think Hatton lost to Collazo either, but then we all interpret fights in different ways.

That ain't nobody's fault but Hatton. Many fighters have lost a point in a crucial part of a fight and didn't lose there cool.

[ElTerribleMorales]

But almost all the people participating in this thread debating about Hatton's career, his abilities etc., not whether or not Cortez robbed him of a fair fight. Most people feel that the ref made almost no difference in the outcome of the fight.

He lost to Collazo too

Saying Cortez made almost no difference is too strong for me. He wouldn't let the fighters in close for more than a second in much of the fight and he took off a point at a crucial juncture in the fight. Hatton was still in that fight up until the point deduction. Hatton showing his arse to Mayweather was a man who had lost his cool.

I don't think Hatton lost to Collazo either, but then we all interpret fights in different ways.

That ain't nobody's fault but Hatton. Many fighters have lost a point in a crucial part of a fight and didn't lose there cool.

Trinidad/Vargas is a pretty clear cut example

[Gandalf]

But almost all the people participating in this thread debating about Hatton's career, his abilities etc., not whether or not Cortez robbed him of a fair fight. Most people feel that the ref made almost no difference in the outcome of the fight.

He lost to Collazo too

Saying Cortez made almost no difference is too strong for me. He wouldn't let the fighters in close for more than a second in much of the fight and he took off a point at a crucial juncture in the fight. Hatton was still in that fight up until the point deduction. Hatton showing his arse to Mayweather was a man who had lost his cool.

I don't think Hatton lost to Collazo either, but then we all interpret fights in different ways.

That ain't nobody's fault but Hatton. Many fighters have lost a point in a crucial part of a fight and didn't lose there cool.

That's true. There is no excuse for getting all hot headed and losing it in the biggest fight of your life.

[Snakey]

I will just have to say karma is a bitch. I was the first one on this forum to stand up and say FUCK YOU DAVE PARRIS!!! He was alot worse then cortez. Grappling is illegal in boxing, if you wanna watch it go watch UFC. Dave Parris allowed ricky to wrestle and rough tszyu up, cortez however didnt...so hows that unfair? Just coz ricky relied on using illegal tactics to win and a ref for some reason didnt allow something illegal to happen is getting crucified for it lol Its not cortezs fault, its hattons for not realising he couldnt bring that shit to the US and win. It may be allowed in little fights in britain but not on the big stage and he got fucked up for it.

And for anyone saying he hurt mayweather, watch it again. Mayweather is off balance in the first round when ricky lands a jab and IMO mayweather never looked in trouble. How could anyone think that hatton was going well when he was eating lead right hands and leaping left hooks all night. Did cortez make hatton leap into a big left hook? Are you trying to say ricky wouldnt of tried a leaping left hook, is that not part of rickys usual style? Because if its not then why did freddy roach have that picked already for pac to duck and counter with the left? Face it, ricky had massive flaws and better boxers knew that.

[Majesty]

I will just have to say karma is a bitch. I was the first one on this forum to stand up and say FUCK YOU DAVE PARRIS!!! He was alot worse then cortez. Grappling is illegal in boxing, if you wanna watch it go watch UFC. Dave Parris allowed ricky to wrestle and rough tszyu up, cortez however didnt...so hows that unfair? Just coz ricky relied on using illegal tactics to win and a ref for some reason didnt allow something illegal to happen is getting crucified for it lol Its not cortezs fault, its hattons for not realising he couldnt bring that shit to the US and win. It may be allowed in little fights in britain but not on the big stage and he got fucked up for it.

And for anyone saying he hurt mayweather, watch it again. Mayweather is off balance in the first round when ricky lands a jab and IMO mayweather never looked in trouble. How could anyone think that hatton was going well when he was eating lead right hands and leaping left hooks all night. Did cortez make hatton leap into a big left hook? Are you trying to say ricky wouldnt of tried a leaping left hook, is that not part of rickys usual style? Because if its not then why did freddy roach have that picked already for pac to duck and counter with the left? Face it, ricky had massive flaws and better boxers knew that.

Dave Parris? Wasn't he the ref that when Tszyu hit Hatton barely low with a shot, not even that hard and then Ricky came back after they were seperated and hit him with a haymaker of a low blow did nothing?

[JazMerkin]

Dave Parris? Wasn't he the ref that when Tszyu hit Hatton barely low with a shot, not even that hard and then Ricky came back after they were seperated and hit him with a haymaker of a low blow did nothing?

You're obviously not completely familiar with his work. Yes, the Hatton-Tszyu show was his greatest international success, & how we all look back on it as the shambles it was. Ol' Mr Magoo Parris just seemed to look away every time that cheeky scamp Ricky Hatton broke the rules, only to catch the loveable oaf Kostya doing... erm... well... not much.

But to those of you wondering 'where can I saw more of this great comedic genius' work?', I direct you to Mr Parris' handling of this year's Khan-Barrera fight. Oh how we laughed at how he didn't stop the fight till just after it would guarantee Khan the victory. It's so crazy how Dave's 'wacky' decisions always seem to help out that dastardly devil Frank Warren.

But, don't you worry he's still been keeping us in the UK amused with his handling of the Rogan-Sexton fight. For those unaware, Rogan was battering Sexton into submission so Sexton spat his gumshield out. Rogan chose to stop so 'Old Mr Parris' could put the mouthpiece back in, at which point Sexton punched Rogan weakly. But Dave wasn't going to be upstaged by some plucky upstart, & topped that bit of excellence, by takin Rogan to the doctor & stopping the fight & giving Sexton a TKO in a fight he was about to get KO'd in.

Those who've admired his work with all of Frank Wanker's Warren's fighters would do well to also check out his handling of the Jamie Moore DQ against Michael Jones a few years back. Proof he is the one man Laurel & Hardy of our times... mainly Hardy.

[skel1983]

Dave Parris? Wasn't he the ref that when Tszyu hit Hatton barely low with a shot, not even that hard and then Ricky came back after they were seperated and hit him with a haymaker of a low blow did nothing?

You're obviously not completely familiar with his work. Yes, the Hatton-Tszyu show was his greatest international success, & how we all look back on it as the shambles it was. Ol' Mr Magoo Parris just seemed to look away every time that cheeky scamp Ricky Hatton broke the rules, only to catch the loveable oaf Kostya doing... erm... well... not much.

But to those of you wondering 'where can I saw more of this great comedic genius' work?', I direct you to Mr Parris' handling of this year's Khan-Barrera fight. Oh how we laughed at how he didn't stop the fight till just after it would guarantee Khan the victory. It's so crazy how Dave's 'wacky' decisions always seem to help out that dastardly devil Frank Warren.

But, don't you worry he's still been keeping us in the UK amused with his handling of the Rogan-Sexton fight. For those unaware, Rogan was battering Sexton into submission so Sexton spat his gumshield out. Rogan chose to stop so 'Old Mr Parris' could put the mouthpiece back in, at which point Sexton punched Rogan weakly. But Dave wasn't going to be upstaged by some plucky upstart, & topped that bit of excellence, by takin Rogan to the doctor & stopping the fight & giving Sexton a TKO in a fight he was about to get KO'd in.

Those who've admired his work with all of Frank Wanker's Warren's fighters would do well to also check out his handling of the Jamie Moore DQ against Michael Jones a few years back. Proof he is the one man Laurel & Hardy of our times... mainly Hardy.

Hhahahaha didnt realise it was good old dave refed the Moore Jones fight that was a shocker.

[Snakey]

I will just have to say karma is a bitch. I was the first one on this forum to stand up and say FUCK YOU DAVE PARRIS!!! He was alot worse then cortez. Grappling is illegal in boxing, if you wanna watch it go watch UFC. Dave Parris allowed ricky to wrestle and rough tszyu up, cortez however didnt...so hows that unfair? Just coz ricky relied on using illegal tactics to win and a ref for some reason didnt allow something illegal to happen is getting crucified for it lol Its not cortezs fault, its hattons for not realising he couldnt bring that shit to the US and win. It may be allowed in little fights in britain but not on the big stage and he got fucked up for it.

And for anyone saying he hurt mayweather, watch it again. Mayweather is off balance in the first round when ricky lands a jab and IMO mayweather never looked in trouble. How could anyone think that hatton was going well when he was eating lead right hands and leaping left hooks all night. Did cortez make hatton leap into a big left hook? Are you trying to say ricky wouldnt of tried a leaping left hook, is that not part of rickys usual style? Because if its not then why did freddy roach have that picked already for pac to duck and counter with the left? Face it, ricky had massive flaws and better boxers knew that.

Dave Parris? Wasn't he the ref that when Tszyu hit Hatton barely low with a shot, not even that hard and then Ricky came back after they were seperated and hit him with a haymaker of a low blow did nothing?

Yeah, tszyus shots were on the belt and ricky put on an acting masterclass and then came back then smashed kostya in the balls with no penalty. Also there was the knockdown that kostya scored which was deemed a low blow but you could tell by the look in rickys eyes that he knew he had just been knocked down. It was appauling, i gave kostya great credit for his speech after that fight because he didnt complain once about the ref unlike ricky with cortez.

[skel1983]

I will just have to say karma is a bitch. I was the first one on this forum to stand up and say FUCK YOU DAVE PARRIS!!! He was alot worse then cortez. Grappling is illegal in boxing, if you wanna watch it go watch UFC. Dave Parris allowed ricky to wrestle and rough tszyu up, cortez however didnt...so hows that unfair? Just coz ricky relied on using illegal tactics to win and a ref for some reason didnt allow something illegal to happen is getting crucified for it lol Its not cortezs fault, its hattons for not realising he couldnt bring that shit to the US and win. It may be allowed in little fights in britain but not on the big stage and he got fucked up for it.

And for anyone saying he hurt mayweather, watch it again. Mayweather is off balance in the first round when ricky lands a jab and IMO mayweather never looked in trouble. How could anyone think that hatton was going well when he was eating lead right hands and leaping left hooks all night. Did cortez make hatton leap into a big left hook? Are you trying to say ricky wouldnt of tried a leaping left hook, is that not part of rickys usual style? Because if its not then why did freddy roach have that picked already for pac to duck and counter with the left? Face it, ricky had massive flaws and better boxers knew that.

Dave Parris? Wasn't he the ref that when Tszyu hit Hatton barely low with a shot, not even that hard and then Ricky came back after they were seperated and hit him with a haymaker of a low blow did nothing?

Yeah, tszyus shots were on the belt and ricky put on an acting masterclass and then came back then smashed kostya in the balls with no penalty. Also there was the knockdown that kostya scored which was deemed a low blow but you could tell by the look in rickys eyes that he knew he had just been knocked down. It was appauling, i gave kostya great credit for his speech after that fight because he didnt complain once about the ref unlike ricky with cortez.

Snakey you sound worst than the Hatton nuthuggers, KT shot that floored Hatton wasnt a low blow?? WTF?? you for real?

2.20-2.25 of this video proves it was a low blow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XX695yh9FU

[Majesty]

Dave Parris? Wasn't he the ref that when Tszyu hit Hatton barely low with a shot, not even that hard and then Ricky came back after they were seperated and hit him with a haymaker of a low blow did nothing?

Yeah, tszyus shots were on the belt and ricky put on an acting masterclass and then came back then smashed kostya in the balls with no penalty. Also there was the knockdown that kostya scored which was deemed a low blow but you could tell by the look in rickys eyes that he knew he had just been knocked down. It was appauling, i gave kostya great credit for his speech after that fight because he didnt complain once about the ref unlike ricky with cortez.

Snakey you sound worst than the Hatton nuthuggers, KT shot that floored Hatton wasnt a low blow?? WTF?? you for real?

2.20-2.25 of this video proves it was a low blow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XX695yh9FU

Looks on the belt line but maybe I froze it at the wrong time, but his fist looks like it fits right on the waist of Ricky but if you can get a better shot be sure to lost it.

[Snakey]

Dave Parris? Wasn't he the ref that when Tszyu hit Hatton barely low with a shot, not even that hard and then Ricky came back after they were seperated and hit him with a haymaker of a low blow did nothing?

Yeah, tszyus shots were on the belt and ricky put on an acting masterclass and then came back then smashed kostya in the balls with no penalty. Also there was the knockdown that kostya scored which was deemed a low blow but you could tell by the look in rickys eyes that he knew he had just been knocked down. It was appauling, i gave kostya great credit for his speech after that fight because he didnt complain once about the ref unlike ricky with cortez.

Snakey you sound worst than the Hatton nuthuggers, KT shot that floored Hatton wasnt a low blow?? WTF?? you for real?

2.20-2.25 of this video proves it was a low blow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XX695yh9FU

That proves nothing,it looks on the belt line to me mate. Im worse then hatton nut huggers? They have made excuses for every loss, hatton wasnt ready for pac, cortez screwed hatton? They just cant take that karma is a bitch. And if you think the KT fight was fair then are you for real?

You all love to say this is boxing and a bit of ruff stuff is ok but when floyd used his forearm to make space between him and hatton all you hatton supporters sat down, grabbed some tissues and cried until your body was drained of all fluids but cant take it that hatton mugged his way to a title with illegal tactics. If im wrong on that then how come when he came to america and wasnt allowed to hold and hit he either struggled or got knocked out?