Anyone catch Panorama last night very shocked at what I saw

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I commute on the bus to work and there are school age kids at the back, making a lot of noise, swearing and from time to time making comments about the passengers. One time I saw them get off and make slitty eye jestures at an asian lad who was going to college.

You know I'm gobby and I find it really hard not to say anything, the reason I don't up till now is the fact that after speaking to them if that doesn't shut 'em up where is that likely to lead? Me bitch slapping some lippy 12 year old? What about his mates? I'd be the one getting dragged over the coals for reacting to their constant bad behaviour.

its mob rule at its ultimate saddest

Its bad enough when youve got 11 year olds on bikes swearing at you and chucking things knowing very well they can simply run off into the night should you bother to chase

But when its 15-16 year old lads in numbers heading on to trains,buses just to intimidate those that arent backed up by a bunch of chavs it just becomes a very sad state of affairs.

Asbos, community orders..blah blah blah. Just stick every peice of scum in ghetto slums far away from from the rest of us and let themselves work out their own problems rather than the taxpayer!

I'm going to write a harsh letter to their headmaster and the bus company.

[Gandalf]

I commute on the bus to work and there are school age kids at the back, making a lot of noise, swearing and from time to time making comments about the passengers. One time I saw them get off and make slitty eye jestures at an asian lad who was going to college.

You know I'm gobby and I find it really hard not to say anything, the reason I don't up till now is the fact that after speaking to them if that doesn't shut 'em up where is that likely to lead? Me bitch slapping some lippy 12 year old? What about his mates? I'd be the one getting dragged over the coals for reacting to their constant bad behaviour.

its mob rule at its ultimate saddest

Its bad enough when youve got 11 year olds on bikes swearing at you and chucking things knowing very well they can simply run off into the night should you bother to chase

But when its 15-16 year old lads in numbers heading on to trains,buses just to intimidate those that arent backed up by a bunch of chavs it just becomes a very sad state of affairs.

Asbos, community orders..blah blah blah. Just stick every peice of scum in ghetto slums far away from from the rest of us and let themselves work out their own problems rather than the taxpayer!

I'm going to write a harsh letter to their headmaster and the bus company.

It's a shame the UK isn't more like Korea in this respect. In Korea EVERY student has their name sewn into their school jumper, jacket and shirt. If anyone is causing a problem then you have the little twat at your mercy. In the UK they can just run and blend into the crowd.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

its mob rule at its ultimate saddest

Its bad enough when youve got 11 year olds on bikes swearing at you and chucking things knowing very well they can simply run off into the night should you bother to chase

But when its 15-16 year old lads in numbers heading on to trains,buses just to intimidate those that arent backed up by a bunch of chavs it just becomes a very sad state of affairs.

Asbos, community orders..blah blah blah. Just stick every peice of scum in ghetto slums far away from from the rest of us and let themselves work out their own problems rather than the taxpayer!

I'm going to write a harsh letter to their headmaster and the bus company.

It's a shame the UK isn't more like Korea in this respect. In Korea EVERY student has their name sewn into their school jumper, jacket and shirt. If anyone is causing a problem then you have the little twat at your mercy. In the UK they can just run and blend into the crowd.

I might just film them, youth technology used against them.

God, I've turned nazi.

[BIG H]

I commute on the bus to work and there are school age kids at the back, making a lot of noise, swearing and from time to time making comments about the passengers. One time I saw them get off and make slitty eye jestures at an asian lad who was going to college.

You know I'm gobby and I find it really hard not to say anything, the reason I don't up till now is the fact that after speaking to them if that doesn't shut 'em up where is that likely to lead? Me bitch slapping some lippy 12 year old? What about his mates? I'd be the one getting dragged over the coals for reacting to their constant bad behaviour.

Peasant

Offering me a ride?

Hop on baby

[Andre]

me agree. me thinks wot you dun did say woz very goody. I like it and i fink i fink da same. but you shoulde learn to write more better like me cos i couldnt even enderstand wot you woz sayin.

Thats cool, things of great worth are not ment to be just stumbled upon.

Just to clarify, i wasn't taking the piss. I was kinda doing a parody. My point was that your post was well written. To highlight this i wrote something that made no sense and written terribly, whilst ironically saying that you should learn to write 'proper'.

Yeah I thought you were taking the piss out of what Bilbo says to me all time :-).

[Kev]

I watched all of it on !Player.

The thing that bothers me about these programs is how the confrontations arise.

When the guy got punched he had spent 10 minutes asking the cunts why they told him to walk in the road. Would any normal person without a hidden agenda have acted like that? I think most sane people would have walked on avoiding any contact with the clearly hostile morons.

Who hangs around closed shops on a friday night where a bunch of drunk teenagers are? Is that not asking for trouble?

And the woman was obviously tracking down where those kids were. When the little cunt was bullying her she was standing still trying to get as much abuse footage on tape as possible. In reality she would have hurried on down the street, no?

So you're left with - some of the people in those those largely white communities are lowlife ignorant scumbag racists. Shock!!!

I've not seen the show but I agree with what you are saying Fenster.

Even here in Torquay we have rowdy chav kid gangs who regularly make the papers for beating someone up. I've seen a crowd of them out once and just didn't walk down that road. I have no doubt that if I wondered up to them and attempted to chat to them for 10 minutes they would beat the crap out of me and I'm whiter than white.

In the interest of bias and not wanting to present a false picture they should get other people to wonder down that street and see what reactions they get.

Send a tramp down, maybe an old tin can lady, a really obese guy, a girl with ginger hair and see what abuse they get. Sure they won't be called 'Paki' but they will have chips and insults hurled at them just the same.

[Gandalf]

I watched all of it on !Player.

The thing that bothers me about these programs is how the confrontations arise.

When the guy got punched he had spent 10 minutes asking the cunts why they told him to walk in the road. Would any normal person without a hidden agenda have acted like that? I think most sane people would have walked on avoiding any contact with the clearly hostile morons.

Who hangs around closed shops on a friday night where a bunch of drunk teenagers are? Is that not asking for trouble?

And the woman was obviously tracking down where those kids were. When the little cunt was bullying her she was standing still trying to get as much abuse footage on tape as possible. In reality she would have hurried on down the street, no?

So you're left with - some of the people in those those largely white communities are lowlife ignorant scumbag racists. Shock!!!

I've not seen the show but I agree with what you are saying Fenster.

Even here in Torquay we have rowdy chav kid gangs who regularly make the papers for beating someone up. I've seen a crowd of them out once and just didn't walk down that road. I have no doubt that if I wondered up to them and attempted to chat to them for 10 minutes they would beat the crap out of me and I'm whiter than white.

In the interest of bias and not wanting to present a false picture they should get other people to wonder down that street and see what reactions they get.

Send a tramp down, maybe an old tin can lady, a really obese guy, a girl with ginger hair and see what abuse they get. Sure they won't be called 'Paki' but they will have chips and insults hurled at them just the same.

Fair points.

It's on You Tube already, so you can catch it on there if you want to watch it.

And like you say, it would be interesting to see how those estate kids deal with other types of people. I would imagine they would likely be twats with anyone who is a bit different. If you are a guy with long hair you are probably going to get a fair bit of stick on the streets as well, but that kind of story probably wouldn't work in a television documentary as race is the thing the media likes to highlight above all others. And with those levels of violence and abuse it is something that obviously does need to be addressed.

[Kev]

I watched all of it on !Player.

The thing that bothers me about these programs is how the confrontations arise.

When the guy got punched he had spent 10 minutes asking the cunts why they told him to walk in the road. Would any normal person without a hidden agenda have acted like that? I think most sane people would have walked on avoiding any contact with the clearly hostile morons.

Who hangs around closed shops on a friday night where a bunch of drunk teenagers are? Is that not asking for trouble?

And the woman was obviously tracking down where those kids were. When the little cunt was bullying her she was standing still trying to get as much abuse footage on tape as possible. In reality she would have hurried on down the street, no?

So you're left with - some of the people in those those largely white communities are lowlife ignorant scumbag racists. Shock!!!

Disagree here Fenster. You have to remember they were living on a council estate & in the real world ethnic minorities have to walk past those same places to get home. They were hardly hanging around there, they tended to be walking through. I do agree that the guy hung on a bit long after he got punched, you'd imagine most people would have run, but not all would, it was far from 10 minutes, it was more 45 seconds which was too much of that thug's time so he decided to punch him (fuckin piss weak it was as well)

I also don't think the woman was standing still, she genuinely seemed intimidated by the kids. I think second-guessing how people react in those situations is always a bit difficult, I've seen a lot of people, particularly women freeze up in situations. The reason I thought she was genuinely frightened was because her accent started slipping from the fake one she had on.

Talking of which, that was the only thing about the programme that annoyed me. I didn't get why they didn't talk in the normal accent. I'd like to see what the guys would have said back had they come out talking as they did.

That 11 year old is a disaster waiting to happen. He looks a cert for a young offender's institution & from there it only takes one racist comment for him to end up doing life for murder or in the morgue himself.

I don't think their reactions were untypical though. Many people would stand their ground, regardless of if someone is an immigrant or not, they still have the pride that they might well stand up to people. How many of you would really not say something if a bunch of kids was saying that?
They did make a point that the estate was notorious for racism & that they still met many decent people. I also think they went a bit hard on Trevor Phillips over ONE comment. I know from my girlfriend's experience, that even in some parts of London, Asian people experience particularly aggressive racism, possibly due to their respective stereotypes in comparisom to black people.

I wouldn't call it eye-opening, I think most of us knew it was happening, but I think it also shows how different Britain is. Even 10-15 years ago there would be plenty of people saying 'boys will be boys' or 'they're just kids' to try & excuse it. Now, even the notorious racist CFH isn't coming out with that

I was probably a bit harsh on the woman considering she got water-bombed and they tried to snatch her purse.

But her pretending to not speak English fuelled the little cunts bullying. It seemed to make him feel he could intimidate her more. If she hadn't just kept repeating "no" maybe that situation would have played out different. Obviously she was portraying the nightmare for non-English speaking ethnic minorities, but would someone that REALLY couldn't speak English, someone NOT secretly filming have acted like that? I'm not sure.

The guy stopped to ask why they told him to walk in the road. IF he was suffering weeks of abuse and finally decided to confront the lowlifes, his actions would have been understandable. Or if he thought fuck this i'm not letting these cunts speak to me like that, his actions would have been understandable. But he acted like a thicko.

Basically what I'm saying is they acted like two well educated undercover reporters playing passive roles to get a story. And therefore some of the situations were intensified. Judging by the replies it was an eye-opener for many just how disgusting the abuse is that many people have to suffer. So that's a good thing.

Fenst this reminds of an 'expose' of the Royal Mail a couple years. Again some undercover reporters got jobs there and one cited how she was given her mail route and no directions about how to get to the streets etc. She just wondered around aimlessly for hours and couldn't deliver anything because of this, saying how bad it was that the managers had just given a route with no training.

I was screaming at the telly at the stupid bitch, saying 'Use your fucking initiative you dumb bitch and go in a shop and pick up a fucking streetmap!!!'

That just pissed me off, ok they were chronically shortstaffed and didn't have time to train her but you'd hope a real new adultemployee would at least try and think for themselves....

[JazMerkin]

Disagree here Fenster. You have to remember they were living on a council estate & in the real world ethnic minorities have to walk past those same places to get home. They were hardly hanging around there, they tended to be walking through. I do agree that the guy hung on a bit long after he got punched, you'd imagine most people would have run, but not all would, it was far from 10 minutes, it was more 45 seconds which was too much of that thug's time so he decided to punch him (fuckin piss weak it was as well)

I also don't think the woman was standing still, she genuinely seemed intimidated by the kids. I think second-guessing how people react in those situations is always a bit difficult, I've seen a lot of people, particularly women freeze up in situations. The reason I thought she was genuinely frightened was because her accent started slipping from the fake one she had on.

Talking of which, that was the only thing about the programme that annoyed me. I didn't get why they didn't talk in the normal accent. I'd like to see what the guys would have said back had they come out talking as they did.

That 11 year old is a disaster waiting to happen. He looks a cert for a young offender's institution & from there it only takes one racist comment for him to end up doing life for murder or in the morgue himself.

I don't think their reactions were untypical though. Many people would stand their ground, regardless of if someone is an immigrant or not, they still have the pride that they might well stand up to people. How many of you would really not say something if a bunch of kids was saying that?
They did make a point that the estate was notorious for racism & that they still met many decent people. I also think they went a bit hard on Trevor Phillips over ONE comment. I know from my girlfriend's experience, that even in some parts of London, Asian people experience particularly aggressive racism, possibly due to their respective stereotypes in comparisom to black people.

I wouldn't call it eye-opening, I think most of us knew it was happening, but I think it also shows how different Britain is. Even 10-15 years ago there would be plenty of people saying 'boys will be boys' or 'they're just kids' to try & excuse it. Now, even the notorious racist CFH isn't coming out with that

I was probably a bit harsh on the woman considering she got water-bombed and they tried to snatch her purse.

But her pretending to not speak English fuelled the little cunts bullying. It seemed to make him feel he could intimidate her more. If she hadn't just kept repeating "no" maybe that situation would have played out different. Obviously she was portraying the nightmare for non-English speaking ethnic minorities, but would someone that REALLY couldn't speak English, someone NOT secretly filming have acted like that? I'm not sure.

The guy stopped to ask why they told him to walk in the road. IF he was suffering weeks of abuse and finally decided to confront the lowlifes, his actions would have been understandable. Or if he thought fuck this i'm not letting these cunts speak to me like that, his actions would have been understandable. But he acted like a thicko.

Basically what I'm saying is they acted like two well educated undercover reporters playing passive roles to get a story. And therefore some of the situations were intensified. Judging by the replies it was an eye-opener for many just how disgusting the abuse is that many people have to suffer. So that's a good thing.

Fenst this reminds of an 'expose' of the Royal Mail a couple years. Again some undercover reporters got jobs there and one cited how she was given her mail route and no directions about how to get to the streets etc. She just wondered around aimlessly for hours and couldn't deliver anything because of this, saying how bad it was that the managers had just given a route with no training.

I was screaming at the telly at the stupid bitch, saying 'Use your fucking initiative you dumb bitch and go in a shop and pick up a fucking streetmap!!!'

That just pissed me off, ok they were chronically shortstaffed and didn't have time to train her but you'd hope a real new adultemployee would at least try and think for themselves....

I saw that as well Bilbo, but it wasn't quite the same. There were numerous incidents of ethnic minorities being viciously assaulted even as the program was being made, so it clearly was an issue. I disagree with Fenster in this, when you live on an estate, often you just can't avoid going past certain places & although on one occasion I thought the reaction was stupid, I generally thought they behaved in a way that did show what life would be like for an ethnic minority on that estate.

[Kev]

I was probably a bit harsh on the woman considering she got water-bombed and they tried to snatch her purse.

But her pretending to not speak English fuelled the little cunts bullying. It seemed to make him feel he could intimidate her more. If she hadn't just kept repeating "no" maybe that situation would have played out different. Obviously she was portraying the nightmare for non-English speaking ethnic minorities, but would someone that REALLY couldn't speak English, someone NOT secretly filming have acted like that? I'm not sure.

The guy stopped to ask why they told him to walk in the road. IF he was suffering weeks of abuse and finally decided to confront the lowlifes, his actions would have been understandable. Or if he thought fuck this i'm not letting these cunts speak to me like that, his actions would have been understandable. But he acted like a thicko.

Basically what I'm saying is they acted like two well educated undercover reporters playing passive roles to get a story. And therefore some of the situations were intensified. Judging by the replies it was an eye-opener for many just how disgusting the abuse is that many people have to suffer. So that's a good thing.

Fenst this reminds of an 'expose' of the Royal Mail a couple years. Again some undercover reporters got jobs there and one cited how she was given her mail route and no directions about how to get to the streets etc. She just wondered around aimlessly for hours and couldn't deliver anything because of this, saying how bad it was that the managers had just given a route with no training.

I was screaming at the telly at the stupid bitch, saying 'Use your fucking initiative you dumb bitch and go in a shop and pick up a fucking streetmap!!!'

That just pissed me off, ok they were chronically shortstaffed and didn't have time to train her but you'd hope a real new adultemployee would at least try and think for themselves....

I saw that as well Bilbo, but it wasn't quite the same. There were numerous incidents of ethnic minorities being viciously assaulted even as the program was being made, so it clearly was an issue. I disagree with Fenster in this, when you live on an estate, often you just can't avoid going past certain places & although on one occasion I thought the reaction was stupid, I generally thought they behaved in a way that did show what life would be like for an ethnic minority on that estate.

Yeah I know what you are saying. I have no doubt that there is genuine mutual dislike and racism in these places.

[Andre]

I watched all of it on !Player.

The thing that bothers me about these programs is how the confrontations arise.

When the guy got punched he had spent 10 minutes asking the cunts why they told him to walk in the road. Would any normal person without a hidden agenda have acted like that? I think most sane people would have walked on avoiding any contact with the clearly hostile morons.

Who hangs around closed shops on a friday night where a bunch of drunk teenagers are? Is that not asking for trouble?

And the woman was obviously tracking down where those kids were. When the little cunt was bullying her she was standing still trying to get as much abuse footage on tape as possible. In reality she would have hurried on down the street, no?

So you're left with - some of the people in those those largely white communities are lowlife ignorant scumbag racists. Shock!!!

I've not seen the show but I agree with what you are saying Fenster.

Even here in Torquay we have rowdy chav kid gangs who regularly make the papers for beating someone up. I've seen a crowd of them out once and just didn't walk down that road. I have no doubt that if I wondered up to them and attempted to chat to them for 10 minutes they would beat the crap out of me and I'm whiter than white.

In the interest of bias and not wanting to present a false picture they should get other people to wonder down that street and see what reactions they get.

Send a tramp down, maybe an old tin can lady, a really obese guy, a girl with ginger hair and see what abuse they get. Sure they won't be called 'Paki' but they will have chips and insults hurled at them just the same.

I think send two martial artists ,street fighters or 2 boxers down those streets dressed in drag.

[Drago]

i have recorded this programme & will report as soon as watched

i wont be giving my verdict as i bloody deleted off my virgin+, bollocks