Anyone catch Panorama last night very shocked at what I saw

[JazMerkin]

Disagree here Fenster. You have to remember they were living on a council estate & in the real world ethnic minorities have to walk past those same places to get home. They were hardly hanging around there, they tended to be walking through. I do agree that the guy hung on a bit long after he got punched, you'd imagine most people would have run, but not all would, it was far from 10 minutes, it was more 45 seconds which was too much of that thug's time so he decided to punch him (fuckin piss weak it was as well)

I also don't think the woman was standing still, she genuinely seemed intimidated by the kids. I think second-guessing how people react in those situations is always a bit difficult, I've seen a lot of people, particularly women freeze up in situations. The reason I thought she was genuinely frightened was because her accent started slipping from the fake one she had on.

Talking of which, that was the only thing about the programme that annoyed me. I didn't get why they didn't talk in the normal accent. I'd like to see what the guys would have said back had they come out talking as they did.

That 11 year old is a disaster waiting to happen. He looks a cert for a young offender's institution & from there it only takes one racist comment for him to end up doing life for murder or in the morgue himself.

I don't think their reactions were untypical though. Many people would stand their ground, regardless of if someone is an immigrant or not, they still have the pride that they might well stand up to people. How many of you would really not say something if a bunch of kids was saying that?
They did make a point that the estate was notorious for racism & that they still met many decent people. I also think they went a bit hard on Trevor Phillips over ONE comment. I know from my girlfriend's experience, that even in some parts of London, Asian people experience particularly aggressive racism, possibly due to their respective stereotypes in comparisom to black people.

I wouldn't call it eye-opening, I think most of us knew it was happening, but I think it also shows how different Britain is. Even 10-15 years ago there would be plenty of people saying 'boys will be boys' or 'they're just kids' to try & excuse it. Now, even the notorious racist CFH isn't coming out with that

I was probably a bit harsh on the woman considering she got water-bombed and they tried to snatch her purse.

But her pretending to not speak English fuelled the little cunts bullying. It seemed to make him feel he could intimidate her more. If she hadn't just kept repeating "no" maybe that situation would have played out different. Obviously she was portraying the nightmare for non-English speaking ethnic minorities, but would someone that REALLY couldn't speak English, someone NOT secretly filming have acted like that? I'm not sure.

The guy stopped to ask why they told him to walk in the road. IF he was suffering weeks of abuse and finally decided to confront the lowlifes, his actions would have been understandable. Or if he thought fuck this i'm not letting these cunts speak to me like that, his actions would have been understandable. But he acted like a thicko.

Basically what I'm saying is they acted like two well educated undercover reporters playing passive roles to get a story. And therefore some of the situations were intensified. Judging by the replies it was an eye-opener for many just how disgusting the abuse is that many people have to suffer. So that's a good thing.

Fenst this reminds of an 'expose' of the Royal Mail a couple years. Again some undercover reporters got jobs there and one cited how she was given her mail route and no directions about how to get to the streets etc. She just wondered around aimlessly for hours and couldn't deliver anything because of this, saying how bad it was that the managers had just given a route with no training.

I was screaming at the telly at the stupid bitch, saying 'Use your fucking initiative you dumb bitch and go in a shop and pick up a fucking streetmap!!!'

That just pissed me off, ok they were chronically shortstaffed and didn't have time to train her but you'd hope a real new adultemployee would at least try and think for themselves....

I saw that as well Bilbo, but it wasn't quite the same. There were numerous incidents of ethnic minorities being viciously assaulted even as the program was being made, so it clearly was an issue. I disagree with Fenster in this, when you live on an estate, often you just can't avoid going past certain places & although on one occasion I thought the reaction was stupid, I generally thought they behaved in a way that did show what life would be like for an ethnic minority on that estate.

[Kev]

I was probably a bit harsh on the woman considering she got water-bombed and they tried to snatch her purse.

But her pretending to not speak English fuelled the little cunts bullying. It seemed to make him feel he could intimidate her more. If she hadn't just kept repeating "no" maybe that situation would have played out different. Obviously she was portraying the nightmare for non-English speaking ethnic minorities, but would someone that REALLY couldn't speak English, someone NOT secretly filming have acted like that? I'm not sure.

The guy stopped to ask why they told him to walk in the road. IF he was suffering weeks of abuse and finally decided to confront the lowlifes, his actions would have been understandable. Or if he thought fuck this i'm not letting these cunts speak to me like that, his actions would have been understandable. But he acted like a thicko.

Basically what I'm saying is they acted like two well educated undercover reporters playing passive roles to get a story. And therefore some of the situations were intensified. Judging by the replies it was an eye-opener for many just how disgusting the abuse is that many people have to suffer. So that's a good thing.

Fenst this reminds of an 'expose' of the Royal Mail a couple years. Again some undercover reporters got jobs there and one cited how she was given her mail route and no directions about how to get to the streets etc. She just wondered around aimlessly for hours and couldn't deliver anything because of this, saying how bad it was that the managers had just given a route with no training.

I was screaming at the telly at the stupid bitch, saying 'Use your fucking initiative you dumb bitch and go in a shop and pick up a fucking streetmap!!!'

That just pissed me off, ok they were chronically shortstaffed and didn't have time to train her but you'd hope a real new adultemployee would at least try and think for themselves....

I saw that as well Bilbo, but it wasn't quite the same. There were numerous incidents of ethnic minorities being viciously assaulted even as the program was being made, so it clearly was an issue. I disagree with Fenster in this, when you live on an estate, often you just can't avoid going past certain places & although on one occasion I thought the reaction was stupid, I generally thought they behaved in a way that did show what life would be like for an ethnic minority on that estate.

Yeah I know what you are saying. I have no doubt that there is genuine mutual dislike and racism in these places.