It's sad that Cotto's Career ruined by 2 Suspected Cheats

[Nameless]

The title of this topic is uncorrect: IT should read: a convinced cheater caught hand in the jar and a suspected cheater.

[killersheep]

With the way people are posting on boxing forums.

Manny Pacquio should get Millions in damages.

...but more than likely, he should be paying the millions he earned, by cheating, back to the fighters that were unfairly beaten. He had the chance to throw all of it back into the faces of his critics. He acted exactly how a juicer would've. I don't understand how his fans can still defend him when Floyd offered to end the random testing two weeks before the fight. Whether you hate Floyd or not, you need to have some grip on reality. The reality is that Pacman has done everything he can to confirm the allegations.

Im not talking about allegations and imaginations. I like to argue about things backed up by facts and not made up shits.

Like Mayweather fighting Campbell, I've been reading your posts all morning and you have two categories

1. You call people out for their speculation

2. You speculate to what Mayweather is doing.

So why is it ok for you to spew out allegations and imaginations, but when others do it, it's "shit"?

[Kirkland Laing]

With the way people are posting on boxing forums.

Manny Pacquio should get Millions in damages.

He may end up facing a class action suit from Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Erik Morales etc. in the future and end up giving his millions away.

[Kirkland Laing]

With the way people are posting on boxing forums.

Manny Pacquio should get Millions in damages.

...but more than likely, he should be paying the millions he earned, by cheating, back to the fighters that were unfairly beaten. He had the chance to throw all of it back into the faces of his critics. He acted exactly how a juicer would've. I don't understand how his fans can still defend him when Floyd offered to end the random testing two weeks before the fight. Whether you hate Floyd or not, you need to have some grip on reality. The reality is that Pacman has done everything he can to confirm the allegations.

are you by any chance a part of the mayweather camp? or floyd sr. or maybe money himself? you keep posting stuff that has no proof. he should pay millions to who? who was proven to have been cheated by manny so far? he acted exactly how a juicer would have? do we have any criteria on how a juice would act. mcgwire acted normally until he fessed up today so what are you saying? manny was offered two weeks cut off of random testing? you believe it coz floyd said so? if i tell you my d**k is 14 inches, would you believe it coz i said so? youre so gullible about every damn thing you read. were you in that room where the mediation happend? no... i was not there so i dont speculate. you talk to us manny fans like we are delusional yet here you are believing every thing they write about what floyd and his camp said. now.. everybody is trying to wash their hands off this failed negotiations so i dunno how you could believe anything anymore. PURE SPECULATIONS. manny should sue you too so you'll stop slandering him.

Bob Arum admitted the other day that Mayweather made the 14 day offer and he said that Manny immediately rejected it.

[Zilla]

I think it's early to tell if Cotto's career is over. How can one say Cotto wasn't the same after Margarito? He had a fight with Clottey which he had to dig deep to win and then he fought Pac. How about we wait and see what he does this year and the next to decide if he's shot or not?

[TheBranMan]

I think it's early to tell if Cotto's career is over. How can one say Cotto wasn't the same after Margarito? He had a fight with Clottey which he had to dig deep to win and then he fought Pac. How about we wait and see what he does this year and the next to decide if he's shot or not?

We can tell by watching his movements and such in fights. Also, many get the feeling that mentally, he isn't the super-confident, 32-0 undefeated fighter that he was when he went in against Margarito. If he can manage to get over the mental blocks created from the two brutal losses, we may see flashes of the old Cotto. Still, he had a long list of physical injuries as a result of those bouts and it's hard for any fighter to come back stronger after wars like those.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that with talent like his, he can still compete in championship bouts. There's been a lot of talk about a fight with Hatton. That might be just the kind of fight he needs to regain some of that lost confidence. That would be a very physical, brutal fight, that would end with Cotto really hurting Hatton.

[miron_lang]

...but more than likely, he should be paying the millions he earned, by cheating, back to the fighters that were unfairly beaten. He had the chance to throw all of it back into the faces of his critics. He acted exactly how a juicer would've. I don't understand how his fans can still defend him when Floyd offered to end the random testing two weeks before the fight. Whether you hate Floyd or not, you need to have some grip on reality. The reality is that Pacman has done everything he can to confirm the allegations.

Im not talking about allegations and imaginations. I like to argue about things backed up by facts and not made up shits.

Like Mayweather fighting Campbell, I've been reading your posts all morning and you have two categories

1. You call people out for their speculation

2. You speculate to what Mayweather is doing.

So why is it ok for you to spew out allegations and imaginations, but when others do it, it's "shit"?

the premise of the thread is IF it is really Nate fighting Floyd. (Nate himself issued a statement ) IM not arguing "Nate fighting Floyd" as backup to my claims. that thread is about the level of fighters if nate gets the fight

[miron_lang]

With the way people are posting on boxing forums.

Manny Pacquio should get Millions in damages.

He may end up facing a class action suit from Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Erik Morales etc. in the future and end up giving his millions away.

Are you now sure of that statement? Just to give you additional background.

Before Sr. explosive bomb

ERik is shot
DelaHoya is a Zombie
Hatton is overrated
Cotto was beaten by Marg for Pac


After the bomb

Manny is roiding


Which one is it really? cmon make up your mind.

[SEANIE]

MIguel Cotto is the epitome of an ring warrior. He gave the boxing fans what they want. He never ducked a fighter within his weight class and was also a thrilling fighter in the ring.

But it's this bravery that was also his downfall. Margarito was 1 of the most avoided fighters at 147 and Cotto still gamely took on the challenge. He was never the same after that fight, it took a lot out of him. And many people suspected that Margarito used plaster, it may not have been proven but it will always be asked did Margarito used loaded gloves for what was his biggest fight since he used it against Shane Mosley?

The 2nd alleged cheater is Pacman, with rumors, accusations, and innuendos whispered throughout the boxing world. The so called Flip warrior is afraid of needles, even though he has tats all over and refused a random blood test for 40 million. It has never been proven that he's chemically enhanced but he could have dispelled all the rumors by accepting the 14 day proposaly by PBF. Cotto also took this fight even at a severe disadvantage of being weight drain agaisnt a suspected PED cheat.

It's sad to see an amirable warrior like Cotto have his career ruined like this.

People like you really piss me off.

Pacman is not a cheat.

He's just a sensible man whose allowed his body to grow naturally.

Maybe you would have liked him to stay as a weight weakend flyweight?

We've all seen the effects of draining your body on boxers.

And I don't think the 40 million is the sticking point.

The sticking point is Mayweather being arrogant and thinking he can dictace the terms of the fight.

[TheBranMan]

With the way people are posting on boxing forums.

Manny Pacquio should get Millions in damages.

He may end up facing a class action suit from Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Erik Morales etc. in the future and end up giving his millions away.

Are you now sure of that statement? Just to give you additional background.

Before Sr. explosive bomb

ERik is shot
DelaHoya is a Zombie
Hatton is overrated
Cotto was beaten by Marg for Pac


After the bomb

Manny is roiding


Which one is it really? cmon make up your mind.

LoL, is it not possible that the majority of those statements are true?
I believe that all of those claims have merit, except for the first, Morales was not 'shot' when he fought Pacquiao the second and third times. He was past his prime due to many wars, but he was definitely not done. DLH was definitely affected by the weight, one only has to look at the numbers and watch the state he was in and the way he was fighting to figure that out. Fatal flaws have been exposed in Hatton's game, although Manny did utilize those quite well. The Cotto win did surprise me, even though he was not the superior boxer that he was prior to getting his head beaten in with bricks.

....But at the end of the day.. do any of his 'impressive' KOs mean anything if he cheated? (I won't get into that argument as there are hundreds of other threads dealing with it)

& SEANIE, you offer no real argument in your post so I won't bother with it.

[SEANIE]

He may end up facing a class action suit from Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Erik Morales etc. in the future and end up giving his millions away.

Are you now sure of that statement? Just to give you additional background.

Before Sr. explosive bomb

ERik is shot
DelaHoya is a Zombie
Hatton is overrated
Cotto was beaten by Marg for Pac


After the bomb

Manny is roiding


Which one is it really? cmon make up your mind.

LoL, is it not possible that the majority of those statements are true?
I believe that all of those claims have merit, except for the first, Morales was not 'shot' when he fought Pacquiao the second and third times. He was past his prime due to many wars, but he was definitely not done. DLH was definitely affected by the weight, one only has to look at the numbers and watch the state he was in and the way he was fighting to figure that out. Fatal flaws have been exposed in Hatton's game, although Manny did utilize those quite well. The Cotto win did surprise me, even though he was not the superior boxer that he was prior to getting his head beaten in with bricks.

....But at the end of the day.. do any of his 'impressive' KOs mean anything if he cheated? (I won't get into that argument as there are hundreds of other threads dealing with it)

& SEANIE, you offer no real argument in your post so I won't bother with it.

This whole thread is built around speculation from a sad Cotto fan. Get over yourself.

[generalbulldog]

Are you now sure of that statement? Just to give you additional background.

Before Sr. explosive bomb

ERik is shot
DelaHoya is a Zombie
Hatton is overrated
Cotto was beaten by Marg for Pac


After the bomb

Manny is roiding


Which one is it really? cmon make up your mind.

LoL, is it not possible that the majority of those statements are true?
I believe that all of those claims have merit, except for the first, Morales was not 'shot' when he fought Pacquiao the second and third times. He was past his prime due to many wars, but he was definitely not done. DLH was definitely affected by the weight, one only has to look at the numbers and watch the state he was in and the way he was fighting to figure that out. Fatal flaws have been exposed in Hatton's game, although Manny did utilize those quite well. The Cotto win did surprise me, even though he was not the superior boxer that he was prior to getting his head beaten in with bricks.

....But at the end of the day.. do any of his 'impressive' KOs mean anything if he cheated? (I won't get into that argument as there are hundreds of other threads dealing with it)

& SEANIE, you offer no real argument in your post so I won't bother with it.

This whole thread is built around speculation from a sad Cotto fan. Get over yourself.

I'm a boxing fan first and foremost. And I'm not really a Cotto fan, but just thought he got cheated and his career ruined.

[Galaxy]

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