It's sad that Cotto's Career ruined by 2 Suspected Cheats

[TheBranMan]

With the way people are posting on boxing forums.

Manny Pacquio should get Millions in damages.

...but more than likely, he should be paying the millions he earned, by cheating, back to the fighters that were unfairly beaten. He had the chance to throw all of it back into the faces of his critics. He acted exactly how a juicer would've. I don't understand how his fans can still defend him when Floyd offered to end the random testing two weeks before the fight. Whether you hate Floyd or not, you need to have some grip on reality. The reality is that Pacman has done everything he can to confirm the allegations.

[josef4334]

With the way people are posting on boxing forums.

Manny Pacquio should get Millions in damages.

...but more than likely, he should be paying the millions he earned, by cheating, back to the fighters that were unfairly beaten. He had the chance to throw all of it back into the faces of his critics. He acted exactly how a juicer would've. I don't understand how his fans can still defend him when Floyd offered to end the random testing two weeks before the fight. Whether you hate Floyd or not, you need to have some grip on reality. The reality is that Pacman has done everything he can to confirm the allegations.

are you by any chance a part of the mayweather camp? or floyd sr. or maybe money himself? you keep posting stuff that has no proof. he should pay millions to who? who was proven to have been cheated by manny so far? he acted exactly how a juicer would have? do we have any criteria on how a juice would act. mcgwire acted normally until he fessed up today so what are you saying? manny was offered two weeks cut off of random testing? you believe it coz floyd said so? if i tell you my d**k is 14 inches, would you believe it coz i said so? youre so gullible about every damn thing you read. were you in that room where the mediation happend? no... i was not there so i dont speculate. you talk to us manny fans like we are delusional yet here you are believing every thing they write about what floyd and his camp said. now.. everybody is trying to wash their hands off this failed negotiations so i dunno how you could believe anything anymore. PURE SPECULATIONS. manny should sue you too so you'll stop slandering him.

[TheBranMan]

With the way people are posting on boxing forums.

Manny Pacquio should get Millions in damages.

...but more than likely, he should be paying the millions he earned, by cheating, back to the fighters that were unfairly beaten. He had the chance to throw all of it back into the faces of his critics. He acted exactly how a juicer would've. I don't understand how his fans can still defend him when Floyd offered to end the random testing two weeks before the fight. Whether you hate Floyd or not, you need to have some grip on reality. The reality is that Pacman has done everything he can to confirm the allegations.

are you by any chance a part of the mayweather camp? or floyd sr. or maybe money himself? you keep posting stuff that has no proof. he should pay millions to who? who was proven to have been cheated by manny so far? he acted exactly how a juicer would have? do we have any criteria on how a juice would act. mcgwire acted normally until he fessed up today so what are you saying? manny was offered two weeks cut off of random testing? you believe it coz floyd said so? if i tell you my d**k is 14 inches, would you believe it coz i said so? youre so gullible about every damn thing you read. were you in that room where the mediation happend? no... i was not there so i dont speculate. you talk to us manny fans like we are delusional yet here you are believing every thing they write about what floyd and his camp said. now.. everybody is trying to wash their hands off this failed negotiations so i dunno how you could believe anything anymore. PURE SPECULATIONS. manny should sue you too so you'll stop slandering him.

The 14-day-cutoff limit was issued in Floyd's official statement. From what I've read on the subject (which is a lot), no one has denied that claim. Thus, while I don't believe everything that I read, it's safe to assume that some of it is true; that comment being example A. As for Manny's new sue-happy state, I hope he does try to sue me. It seems that's his preferred method of competition these days, only difference is that it's harder to cheat the legal system than it is urine tests . Call it speculation or whatever you want. I would love for Manny to prove me wrong. You're completely right in that I have no solid proof.. so, lets go to the proving grounds, lets take the random blood tests... oh... wait...

[josef4334]

...but more than likely, he should be paying the millions he earned, by cheating, back to the fighters that were unfairly beaten. He had the chance to throw all of it back into the faces of his critics. He acted exactly how a juicer would've. I don't understand how his fans can still defend him when Floyd offered to end the random testing two weeks before the fight. Whether you hate Floyd or not, you need to have some grip on reality. The reality is that Pacman has done everything he can to confirm the allegations.

are you by any chance a part of the mayweather camp? or floyd sr. or maybe money himself? you keep posting stuff that has no proof. he should pay millions to who? who was proven to have been cheated by manny so far? he acted exactly how a juicer would have? do we have any criteria on how a juice would act. mcgwire acted normally until he fessed up today so what are you saying? manny was offered two weeks cut off of random testing? you believe it coz floyd said so? if i tell you my d**k is 14 inches, would you believe it coz i said so? youre so gullible about every damn thing you read. were you in that room where the mediation happend? no... i was not there so i dont speculate. you talk to us manny fans like we are delusional yet here you are believing every thing they write about what floyd and his camp said. now.. everybody is trying to wash their hands off this failed negotiations so i dunno how you could believe anything anymore. PURE SPECULATIONS. manny should sue you too so you'll stop slandering him.

The 14-day-cutoff limit was issued in Floyd's official statement. From what I've read on the subject (which is a lot), no one has denied that claim. Thus, while I don't believe everything that I read, it's safe to assume that some of it is true; that comment being example A. As for Manny's new sue-happy state, I hope he does try to sue me. It seems that's his preferred method of competition these days, only difference is that it's harder to cheat the legal system than it is urine tests . Call it speculation or whatever you want. I would love for Manny to prove me wrong. You're completely right in that I have no solid proof.. so, lets go to the proving grounds, lets take the random blood tests... oh... wait...

so you have a problem with him suing people that purposely ruined his rep? dont tell me that his reputation is not ruined because it is. he is to blame somehow too by refusing the random blood test but also because some people who has no credibility was allowed to make hollow allegations. if manny said that mayweather was on steroids dont you think floyd wont sue him? i would love for him to prove everybody wrong but thats what it is now. he refused. if i accuse you of killing somebody but its just my word against yours wont you ask me for evidence. if i cant provide evidence that case is dismissed right? so the same for manny and this whole PEDS fiasco.

[TheBranMan]

are you by any chance a part of the mayweather camp? or floyd sr. or maybe money himself? you keep posting stuff that has no proof. he should pay millions to who? who was proven to have been cheated by manny so far? he acted exactly how a juicer would have? do we have any criteria on how a juice would act. mcgwire acted normally until he fessed up today so what are you saying? manny was offered two weeks cut off of random testing? you believe it coz floyd said so? if i tell you my d**k is 14 inches, would you believe it coz i said so? youre so gullible about every damn thing you read. were you in that room where the mediation happend? no... i was not there so i dont speculate. you talk to us manny fans like we are delusional yet here you are believing every thing they write about what floyd and his camp said. now.. everybody is trying to wash their hands off this failed negotiations so i dunno how you could believe anything anymore. PURE SPECULATIONS. manny should sue you too so you'll stop slandering him.

The 14-day-cutoff limit was issued in Floyd's official statement. From what I've read on the subject (which is a lot), no one has denied that claim. Thus, while I don't believe everything that I read, it's safe to assume that some of it is true; that comment being example A. As for Manny's new sue-happy state, I hope he does try to sue me. It seems that's his preferred method of competition these days, only difference is that it's harder to cheat the legal system than it is urine tests . Call it speculation or whatever you want. I would love for Manny to prove me wrong. You're completely right in that I have no solid proof.. so, lets go to the proving grounds, lets take the random blood tests... oh... wait...

so you have a problem with him suing people that purposely ruined his rep? dont tell me that his reputation is not ruined because it is. he is to blame somehow too by refusing the random blood test but also because some people who has no credibility was allowed to make hollow allegations. if manny said that mayweather was on steroids dont you think floyd wont sue him? i would love for him to prove everybody wrong but thats what it is now. he refused. if i accuse you of killing somebody but its just my word against yours wont you ask me for evidence. if i cant provide evidence that case is dismissed right? so the same for manny and this whole PEDS fiasco.

So lets just forget that Manny has gained a rediculous amount muscle in a short span of time, increasing his KO % against larger guys at a ripe age, let's forget about all of the suspicious comments and excuses coming from his camp, lets forget about the erratic way him and his camp acted when asked to take some simple blood tests. Lets just sweep it all under the rug. That's your solution? I'm sorry but Manny hasn't been investigated yet, hasn't went to trail because he refuses to do so. You 'innocent until proven guilty' argument won't work here.

Also, I can't believe that you'd defend his decision to sue left right and center. Must be a Law & Order fan before a boxing fan Did you or anyone else really take it seriously when Floyd Sr accused him a couple months ago? I know I didn't. Pretty much no one did. Then Malignaggi questions the fact, with evidence... people got a little suspicious. Finally without EVER accusing Manny, Floyd Jr requests random blood testing for their bout and camp Pacquiao hits the roof and suddenly gets sue-happy. No wonder most of boxing is curious concerning Pac's methods. I'm a fan of the sport of boxing before I'm ever a fan of a particular fighter. If Floyd had refused a more conclusive type of test when well-founded allegations were thrown at him, I'd be suspicious too. To become a serious sport boxing will need to implicate random blood tests at some point, Manny will simply go down as the last fighter to absolutely refuse... support the last juicer if you want, but don't insult my intelligence with your 'no proof' argument. How does one obtain proof when all roads are blocked? If I killed someone and denied it, against your word, there would be an investigation/trial. Manny isn't willing to allow that.

Back on topic. Cotto is a great fighter and will hopefully go down as one of the last victims of dirty techniques being employed in this sport. I love boxing and I hope it improves.

[Kirkland Laing]

With the way people are posting on boxing forums.

Manny Pacquio should get Millions in damages.

...but more than likely, he should be paying the millions he earned, by cheating, back to the fighters that were unfairly beaten. He had the chance to throw all of it back into the faces of his critics. He acted exactly how a juicer would've. I don't understand how his fans can still defend him when Floyd offered to end the random testing two weeks before the fight. Whether you hate Floyd or not, you need to have some grip on reality. The reality is that Pacman has done everything he can to confirm the allegations.

are you by any chance a part of the mayweather camp? or floyd sr. or maybe money himself? you keep posting stuff that has no proof. he should pay millions to who? who was proven to have been cheated by manny so far? he acted exactly how a juicer would have? do we have any criteria on how a juice would act. mcgwire acted normally until he fessed up today so what are you saying? manny was offered two weeks cut off of random testing? you believe it coz floyd said so? if i tell you my d**k is 14 inches, would you believe it coz i said so? youre so gullible about every damn thing you read. were you in that room where the mediation happend? no... i was not there so i dont speculate. you talk to us manny fans like we are delusional yet here you are believing every thing they write about what floyd and his camp said. now.. everybody is trying to wash their hands off this failed negotiations so i dunno how you could believe anything anymore. PURE SPECULATIONS. manny should sue you too so you'll stop slandering him.

Bob Arum admitted the other day that Mayweather made the 14 day offer and he said that Manny immediately rejected it.

[miron_lang]

With the way people are posting on boxing forums.

Manny Pacquio should get Millions in damages.

...but more than likely, he should be paying the millions he earned, by cheating, back to the fighters that were unfairly beaten. He had the chance to throw all of it back into the faces of his critics. He acted exactly how a juicer would've. I don't understand how his fans can still defend him when Floyd offered to end the random testing two weeks before the fight. Whether you hate Floyd or not, you need to have some grip on reality. The reality is that Pacman has done everything he can to confirm the allegations.

Im not talking about allegations and imaginations. I like to argue about things backed up by facts and not made up shits.

[miron_lang]

Now let's wait for a fight between FLoyd and Mosley without the bullshit random testing despite the fact that Mosley admitted using steroids in the fast.


WTF!!!!

haters will always hate, huggers will always hug.

[TheBranMan]

Now let's wait for a fight between FLoyd and Mosley without the bullshit random testing despite the fact that Mosley admitted using steroids in the fast.


WTF!!!!

haters will always hate, huggers will always hug.

I see that you, like most of the general public are sorely misinformed. BTW, despite his Balco past, Mosley agreed to random blood testing, although Floyd said it wasn't required in this case. Notice how Mosley's camp didn't hit the roof when it was mentioned? It sure is funny that a known past user jumps at the opportunity to be tested conclusively, while Pacquiao runs the other way. I think Pac might be on some things that Mosley isn't (these days)

[Nameless]

The title of this topic is uncorrect: IT should read: a convinced cheater caught hand in the jar and a suspected cheater.

[Zilla]

I think it's early to tell if Cotto's career is over. How can one say Cotto wasn't the same after Margarito? He had a fight with Clottey which he had to dig deep to win and then he fought Pac. How about we wait and see what he does this year and the next to decide if he's shot or not?

[TheBranMan]

I think it's early to tell if Cotto's career is over. How can one say Cotto wasn't the same after Margarito? He had a fight with Clottey which he had to dig deep to win and then he fought Pac. How about we wait and see what he does this year and the next to decide if he's shot or not?

We can tell by watching his movements and such in fights. Also, many get the feeling that mentally, he isn't the super-confident, 32-0 undefeated fighter that he was when he went in against Margarito. If he can manage to get over the mental blocks created from the two brutal losses, we may see flashes of the old Cotto. Still, he had a long list of physical injuries as a result of those bouts and it's hard for any fighter to come back stronger after wars like those.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that with talent like his, he can still compete in championship bouts. There's been a lot of talk about a fight with Hatton. That might be just the kind of fight he needs to regain some of that lost confidence. That would be a very physical, brutal fight, that would end with Cotto really hurting Hatton.

[killersheep]

With the way people are posting on boxing forums.

Manny Pacquio should get Millions in damages.

...but more than likely, he should be paying the millions he earned, by cheating, back to the fighters that were unfairly beaten. He had the chance to throw all of it back into the faces of his critics. He acted exactly how a juicer would've. I don't understand how his fans can still defend him when Floyd offered to end the random testing two weeks before the fight. Whether you hate Floyd or not, you need to have some grip on reality. The reality is that Pacman has done everything he can to confirm the allegations.

Im not talking about allegations and imaginations. I like to argue about things backed up by facts and not made up shits.

Like Mayweather fighting Campbell, I've been reading your posts all morning and you have two categories

1. You call people out for their speculation

2. You speculate to what Mayweather is doing.

So why is it ok for you to spew out allegations and imaginations, but when others do it, it's "shit"?

[miron_lang]

...but more than likely, he should be paying the millions he earned, by cheating, back to the fighters that were unfairly beaten. He had the chance to throw all of it back into the faces of his critics. He acted exactly how a juicer would've. I don't understand how his fans can still defend him when Floyd offered to end the random testing two weeks before the fight. Whether you hate Floyd or not, you need to have some grip on reality. The reality is that Pacman has done everything he can to confirm the allegations.

Im not talking about allegations and imaginations. I like to argue about things backed up by facts and not made up shits.

Like Mayweather fighting Campbell, I've been reading your posts all morning and you have two categories

1. You call people out for their speculation

2. You speculate to what Mayweather is doing.

So why is it ok for you to spew out allegations and imaginations, but when others do it, it's "shit"?

the premise of the thread is IF it is really Nate fighting Floyd. (Nate himself issued a statement ) IM not arguing "Nate fighting Floyd" as backup to my claims. that thread is about the level of fighters if nate gets the fight