Anybody think a Prime Vitali, would've beaten a Prime Lewis?

[CFH]

It took a long time before Lewis was recognized as a great champ. Americans just weren't happy to see a Brit champion. Now it's taking even longer for Americans to give Vitali his due. He was whipping Lewis' before and after that cut. Now the excuse is that Lewis was past his prime. LOL

p.s. I'm American and proud of it. Doesn't mean I have to be stupid about it.

Welcome to the forum.

I thought Lewis - Vitali was fairly close up until the stoppage.

[ninjaspy3]

What I mean by "whipping" is defined by what I saw, which was clear to me. And it's backed up by all three scorecards 58-56 (4 rounds to 2) at the time of the stoppage. And here are the punch stats, which I think are pretty impressive and tell the tale.

Total Punches
Lewis Klitschko
Landed 102 156
Thrown 222 432
Pct. 46% 36%

Jabs: Lewis Klitschko
Landed 52 77
Thrown 120 240
Pct. 43% 32%

Power Punches
Lewis Klitschko
Landed 50 79
Thrown 102 192
Pct. 49% 41%

I didn't make these up! LOL, but the stats are pretty lop-sided, and the three judges were scoring against the reigning champ. That's why I say Lewis was getting whipped.

Well, those are impressive numbers, but at the fight's end, Lewis didnt show signs of, or look like a man who had been "whipped." Now Vitali on the otherhand... he looked like he had a rough night. So I guess sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story. And I dont mean to be sarcastic, I'm just telling like it is. I'm sure we have all seen the fight many times and have seen how both fighter looked after the fight.

[El Kabong]

Well, those are impressive numbers, but at the fight's end, Lewis didnt show signs of, or look like a man who had been "whipped." Now Vitali on the otherhand... he looked like he had a rough night. So I guess sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story. And I dont mean to be sarcastic, I'm just telling like it is. I'm sure we have all seen the fight many times and have seen how both fighter looked after the fight.

...even when Lennox Lewis has lost or been in long hard fights or been KO'd has he ever "looked whipped"? Some guys just don't cut or swell as bad as everyone else...look at Ali

[Master]

Lewis prime would beat Vitali, no question, he fought at a better level which may be because he fought better opponents. I do not think Vitali would have beaten Hoyfield, Mercer and Rahman any better than Vitali could.

[ICB]

Ray Mercer gave Lennox Lewis a tougher fight.

[ICB]

What I mean by "whipping" is defined by what I saw, which was clear to me. And it's backed up by all three scorecards 58-56 (4 rounds to 2) at the time of the stoppage. And here are the punch stats, which I think are pretty impressive and tell the tale.

Total Punches
Lewis Klitschko
Landed 102 156
Thrown 222 432
Pct. 46% 36%

Jabs: Lewis Klitschko
Landed 52 77
Thrown 120 240
Pct. 43% 32%

Power Punches
Lewis Klitschko
Landed 50 79
Thrown 102 192
Pct. 49% 41%

I didn't make these up! LOL, but the stats are pretty lop-sided, and the three judges were scoring against the reigning champ. That's why I say Lewis was getting whipped.

Well, those are impressive numbers, but at the fight's end, Lewis didnt show signs of, or look like a man who had been "whipped." Now Vitali on the otherhand... he looked like he had a rough night. So I guess sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story. And I dont mean to be sarcastic, I'm just telling like it is. I'm sure we have all seen the fight many times and have seen how both fighter looked after the fight.

Agreed those number's don't tell me anything new, of course Vitali Klitschko landed more punches and was ahead in the fight early on. We all know that already, its the fact that Lennox Lewis was coming on in the middle rounds.

When he wrecked Vitali Klitschko, with a vicious uppercut in the 6th round. Vitali Klitschko done virtually nothing after that, and was holding on at the end of the 6th round.

Lennox Lewis was gonna get him, and especially with Vitali Klitschko's horrendous cut, how much longer could he have gone on ? and is risking your eye sight worth it ?

Wow so Lennox Lewis was 2 rounds down, like no fighter has ever comeback from only 2 rounds down. Its ridiculous i've never seen a fighter get so much credit for a losing.

I like Vitali Klitschko but come on facts are facts, he lost. Lennox Lewis wasn't in his prime. But then again i still think Vitali Klitschko gives him fits at any point in his career.

And lastly i call whipped.

Joe Calzaghe vs Jeff Lacy
James Toney vs Iran Barkley

This fight was neither it was a good see-saw battle.

[DaxxKahn]

What I mean by "whipping" is defined by what I saw, which was clear to me. And it's backed up by all three scorecards 58-56 (4 rounds to 2) at the time of the stoppage. And here are the punch stats, which I think are pretty impressive and tell the tale.

Total Punches
Lewis Klitschko
Landed 102 156
Thrown 222 432
Pct. 46% 36%

Jabs: Lewis Klitschko
Landed 52 77
Thrown 120 240
Pct. 43% 32%

Power Punches
Lewis Klitschko
Landed 50 79
Thrown 102 192
Pct. 49% 41%

I didn't make these up! LOL, but the stats are pretty lop-sided, and the three judges were scoring against the reigning champ. That's why I say Lewis was getting whipped.

Well, those are impressive numbers, but at the fight's end, Lewis didnt show signs of, or look like a man who had been "whipped." Now Vitali on the otherhand... he looked like he had a rough night. So I guess sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story. And I dont mean to be sarcastic, I'm just telling like it is. I'm sure we have all seen the fight many times and have seen how both fighter looked after the fight.

Agreed those number's don't tell me anything new, of course Vitali Klitschko landed more punches and was ahead in the fight early on. We all know that already, its the fact that Lennox Lewis was coming on in the middle rounds.

When he wrecked Vitali Klitschko, with a vicious uppercut in the 6th round. Vitali Klitschko done virtually nothing after that, and was holding on at the end of the 6th round.

Lennox Lewis was gonna get him, and especially with Vitali Klitschko's horrendous cut, how much longer could he have gone on ? and is risking your eye sight worth it ?

Wow so Lennox Lewis was 2 rounds down, like no fighter has ever comeback from only 2 rounds down. Its ridiculous i've never seen a fighter get so much credit for a losing.

I like Vitali Klitschko but come on facts are facts, he lost. Lennox Lewis wasn't in his prime. But then again i still think Vitali Klitschko gives him fits at any point in his career.

And lastly i call whipped.

Joe Calzaghe vs Jeff Lacy
James Toney vs Iran Barkley

This fight was neither it was a good see-saw battle.

well said

[Dave Hughey]

One last appeal to reason, then I'll quit whippin' you horses. Sometimes you have to look past the surface to see the truth. Watch the fight again, the two minutes after the doc calls the fight. Vit is screaming, begging, pleading to keep fighting. He's full of fight. Eye or no eye.
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Yes, Vitali looks like he ran into an airplane prop. But Lewis looks like he knows he got lucky. He sure don't want to fight vitali any more.

[DaxxKahn]

One last appeal to reason, then I'll quit whippin' you horses. Sometimes you have to look past the surface to see the truth. Watch the fight again, the two minutes after the doc calls the fight. Vit is screaming, begging, pleading to keep fighting. He's full of fight. Eye or no eye.
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Yes, Vitali looks like he ran into an airplane prop. But Lewis looks like he knows he got lucky. He sure don't want to fight vitali any more.

Well I was there and Vitali was acting like a madman and not thinking straight...He has also been guilty of attacking opponents his brother lost to EG- He had to be restrained in the corner by at least 3 men when Wlad lost to Sanders....

C'Mon man you are starting to go from debating the subject to just obnoxious

[JonesJrMayweather]

One last appeal to reason, then I'll quit whippin' you horses. Sometimes you have to look past the surface to see the truth. Watch the fight again, the two minutes after the doc calls the fight. Vit is screaming, begging, pleading to keep fighting. He's full of fight. Eye or no eye.
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Yes, Vitali looks like he ran into an airplane prop. But Lewis looks like he knows he got lucky. He sure don't want to fight vitali any more.

Well I was there and Vitali was acting like a madman and not thinking straight...He has also been guilty of attacking opponents his brother lost to EG- He had to be restrained in the corner by at least 3 men when Wlad lost to Sanders....

C'Mon man you are starting to go from debating the subject to just obnoxious

He's still right, however. Lewis was very lucky, and he was behaving like a nutjob during the interview with merchant. He was very defensive and acting like everyone in the arena was completely insane for booing the results.

Vitaly wanted to keep fighting and it was clear of that. Lewis took a giant sigh of relief then retired instead of giving vitaly a proper rematch, but I don't blame him for being smart and sensing that shark Vitaly smelled blood coming out of his old ass.

[Taeth]

Lennox being my favorite heavyweight ever would win more often than not, he is like a Klitschko sized David Haye with a better chin, but if anyone in the history of the heavyweight division IMO could beat Lennox at his best its Klitschko nobody else has the size, skill, and chin to compete with Lennox.

I also argue that it wasn't Lennox's best performance but clearly Klitschko made Lennox look a lot worse than he is/was. I think Klitschko had a very difficult style for Lennox who never liked fighting jabbers that much.

[Taeth]

It took a long time before Lewis was recognized as a great champ. Americans just weren't happy to see a Brit champion. Now it's taking even longer for Americans to give Vitali his due. He was whipping Lewis' before and after that cut. Now the excuse is that Lewis was past his prime. LOL

p.s. I'm American and proud of it. Doesn't mean I have to be stupid about it.

Welcome to the forum.

I thought Lewis - Vitali was fairly close up until the stoppage.

It really wasn't only the cut made Vitali look like he was a having a difficult night. Lennox was getting his getting outboxed, though he was starting to come back with big punches, but they didn't seem to bother Vitali that much.

[amat]

You honestly think it was by design that Vitali would take a couple rounds off even though his face looked to have gone through a meat mincer and everyone and their mother knew the fight wasn't going past a 7 or 8 rounds, what a good time for Vitali to gear for the end.

[DaxxKahn]

One last appeal to reason, then I'll quit whippin' you horses. Sometimes you have to look past the surface to see the truth. Watch the fight again, the two minutes after the doc calls the fight. Vit is screaming, begging, pleading to keep fighting. He's full of fight. Eye or no eye.
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Yes, Vitali looks like he ran into an airplane prop. But Lewis looks like he knows he got lucky. He sure don't want to fight vitali any more.

Well I was there and Vitali was acting like a madman and not thinking straight...He has also been guilty of attacking opponents his brother lost to EG- He had to be restrained in the corner by at least 3 men when Wlad lost to Sanders....

C'Mon man you are starting to go from debating the subject to just obnoxious

He's still right, however. Lewis was very lucky, and he was behaving like a nutjob during the interview with merchant. He was very defensive and acting like everyone in the arena was completely insane for booing the results.

Vitaly wanted to keep fighting and it was clear of that. Lewis took a giant sigh of relief then retired instead of giving vitaly a proper rematch, but I don't blame him for being smart and sensing that shark Vitaly smelled blood coming out of his old ass.

I would not say he was right...People bood because Lennox wanted to act as though it was an easy night...But then again name a fighter who hasn't tried to make a shit performance seem as though they were in control all along...

Lennox as said by many not just me...Underestimated Vitaly...IMO he judged Vitali's heart based on the Byrd stoppage when he dislocated his shoulder...UP until the Lennox fight just about everyone thought almost nothing of Vitali other then the "Other" brother...

Lennox trained for a fight with Johnson who was a walk over in all honesty by that point....He got Vitali who came to win....Neither man had ever faced another HW who fought the others style...

For Lewis...Vitaly a fighter willing to get rough and tough and did not back up...

For Vitaly...Lewis a fighter who was skilled and strong...Who knew how to exploit a weakness and had the power to overcome Vitali's size advantange...

Vitali would always be a style problem for Lewis but Vitali is also not versatile he is not hard to figure out most of the time....While it is easier said then done to beat him...His size and strength have been preventing fighters from succeeding much against him...

Lewis was also NOT IN HIS PRIME as some people here have continued to post and if they really knew either about him or just boxing at that time period they would know he was already winding down and the Tyson fight was his last hurahh...

And for those who know it all and swear Lewis would not even think about the rematch....Vitaly and Lewis actually met at a hotel without promoters media etc and discussed a rematch...Lewis was really for it but was talked out of it by what many believe his Mother of all people who convinced him coming back for one more fight just for the sake of ego would not only be bad for his legacy but there would be no need to go for a fight this tough if his heart was not really into boxing anymore...

[ICB]

I wish RJJ would of had Lennox Lewis's attitude.