Anybody think a Prime Vitali, would've beaten a Prime Lewis?

[Dave Hughey]

It took a long time before Lewis was recognized as a great champ. Americans just weren't happy to see a Brit champion. Now it's taking even longer for Americans to give Vitali his due. He was whipping Lewis' before and after that cut. Now the excuse is that Lewis was past his prime. LOL

p.s. I'm American and proud of it. Doesn't mean I have to be stupid about it.

[ryanman]

It took a long time before Lewis was recognized as a great champ. Americans just weren't happy to see a Brit champion. Now it's taking even longer for Americans to give Vitali his due. He was whipping Lewis' before and after that cut. Now the excuse is that Lewis was past his prime. LOL

p.s. I'm American and proud of it. Doesn't mean I have to be stupid about it.

He clearly wasn't WHIPPING him.

[El Kabong]

He clearly wasn't WHIPPING him.

...the scorecards say Vitali was up 58-56 in a fight that got stopped in the 6th that's a pretty wide margin, considering

[BIG H]

He clearly wasn't WHIPPING him.

...the scorecards say Vitali was up 58-56 in a fight that got stopped in the 6th that's a pretty wide margin, considering

And reality says that Vitali needed a new face, whilst Lewis hardly had a scratch.

[El Kabong]

Yes close and competitive....a little too much so for Lewis' liking I am sure. Lennox got a little lucky, Vitali was a little unlucky and that was about it. Vitali won over the fans and Lewis got to ride off into the sunset with his legacy intact

What bothers me are the Lewis supporters that act like Lennox was going to win 100% for sure cut or no cut stoppage or no stoppage and they give Vitali less than 0 credit for taking a fight vs THE CHAMP on short notice....but they can never state enough about how Lennox was supposed to fight Kirk Johnson. Vitali was going to fight Cedric Boswell...I mean who really had to step up their game more??

[ninjaspy3]

He clearly wasn't WHIPPING him.

...the scorecards say Vitali was up 58-56 in a fight that got stopped in the 6th that's a pretty wide margin, considering

Please dont insinuate that because of a 2 point lead on the cards that Vitali was "whipping" Lewis. I'm sure we have seen lopsided victories on the cards where very little "whipping" took place.

Despite the cards, the fight was pretty even. Now, if we have beaten this horse enough....

[ryanman]

He clearly wasn't WHIPPING him.

...the scorecards say Vitali was up 58-56 in a fight that got stopped in the 6th that's a pretty wide margin, considering

Come on Lyle, he wasn't whipping him was he? Winning definately, but it was a close competitive fight.

Obviously nobody knows what would have happened had it not been for the cut. I'm of the opinion that Lewis had really started getting to him but thats not to say I think he was on his way to victory or anything. My best guess is that it would have tightened up and both would have seen the final bell and that a good case could have been made for either when it came to scoring. I was gutted for Vitali when it was stopped and I think thats part of the reason that I have a (non-gay) affection for him now.

[BIG H]

Not that the scorcards matter, when somebody has inflicted that much damage, but I think there is a good case that the fight was even after 6 anyway.

[ninjaspy3]

It took a long time before Lewis was recognized as a great champ. Americans just weren't happy to see a Brit champion. Now it's taking even longer for Americans to give Vitali his due. He was whipping Lewis' before and after that cut. Now the excuse is that Lewis was past his prime. LOL

p.s. I'm American and proud of it. Doesn't mean I have to be stupid about it.

too late?

[Dave Hughey]

What I mean by "whipping" is defined by what I saw, which was clear to me. And it's backed up by all three scorecards 58-56 (4 rounds to 2) at the time of the stoppage. And here are the punch stats, which I think are pretty impressive and tell the tale.

Total Punches
Lewis Klitschko
Landed 102 156
Thrown 222 432
Pct. 46% 36%

Jabs: Lewis Klitschko
Landed 52 77
Thrown 120 240
Pct. 43% 32%

Power Punches
Lewis Klitschko
Landed 50 79
Thrown 102 192
Pct. 49% 41%

I didn't make these up! LOL, but the stats are pretty lop-sided, and the three judges were scoring against the reigning champ. That's why I say Lewis was getting whipped.

[ninjaspy3]

What I mean by "whipping" is defined by what I saw, which was clear to me. And it's backed up by all three scorecards 58-56 (4 rounds to 2) at the time of the stoppage. And here are the punch stats, which I think are pretty impressive and tell the tale.

Total Punches
Lewis Klitschko
Landed 102 156
Thrown 222 432
Pct. 46% 36%

Jabs: Lewis Klitschko
Landed 52 77
Thrown 120 240
Pct. 43% 32%

Power Punches
Lewis Klitschko
Landed 50 79
Thrown 102 192
Pct. 49% 41%

I didn't make these up! LOL, but the stats are pretty lop-sided, and the three judges were scoring against the reigning champ. That's why I say Lewis was getting whipped.

Well, those are impressive numbers, but at the fight's end, Lewis didnt show signs of, or look like a man who had been "whipped." Now Vitali on the otherhand... he looked like he had a rough night. So I guess sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story. And I dont mean to be sarcastic, I'm just telling like it is. I'm sure we have all seen the fight many times and have seen how both fighter looked after the fight.

[El Kabong]

Well, those are impressive numbers, but at the fight's end, Lewis didnt show signs of, or look like a man who had been "whipped." Now Vitali on the otherhand... he looked like he had a rough night. So I guess sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story. And I dont mean to be sarcastic, I'm just telling like it is. I'm sure we have all seen the fight many times and have seen how both fighter looked after the fight.

...even when Lennox Lewis has lost or been in long hard fights or been KO'd has he ever "looked whipped"? Some guys just don't cut or swell as bad as everyone else...look at Ali

[Master]

Lewis prime would beat Vitali, no question, he fought at a better level which may be because he fought better opponents. I do not think Vitali would have beaten Hoyfield, Mercer and Rahman any better than Vitali could.

[ICB]

What I mean by "whipping" is defined by what I saw, which was clear to me. And it's backed up by all three scorecards 58-56 (4 rounds to 2) at the time of the stoppage. And here are the punch stats, which I think are pretty impressive and tell the tale.

Total Punches
Lewis Klitschko
Landed 102 156
Thrown 222 432
Pct. 46% 36%

Jabs: Lewis Klitschko
Landed 52 77
Thrown 120 240
Pct. 43% 32%

Power Punches
Lewis Klitschko
Landed 50 79
Thrown 102 192
Pct. 49% 41%

I didn't make these up! LOL, but the stats are pretty lop-sided, and the three judges were scoring against the reigning champ. That's why I say Lewis was getting whipped.

Well, those are impressive numbers, but at the fight's end, Lewis didnt show signs of, or look like a man who had been "whipped." Now Vitali on the otherhand... he looked like he had a rough night. So I guess sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story. And I dont mean to be sarcastic, I'm just telling like it is. I'm sure we have all seen the fight many times and have seen how both fighter looked after the fight.

Agreed those number's don't tell me anything new, of course Vitali Klitschko landed more punches and was ahead in the fight early on. We all know that already, its the fact that Lennox Lewis was coming on in the middle rounds.

When he wrecked Vitali Klitschko, with a vicious uppercut in the 6th round. Vitali Klitschko done virtually nothing after that, and was holding on at the end of the 6th round.

Lennox Lewis was gonna get him, and especially with Vitali Klitschko's horrendous cut, how much longer could he have gone on ? and is risking your eye sight worth it ?

Wow so Lennox Lewis was 2 rounds down, like no fighter has ever comeback from only 2 rounds down. Its ridiculous i've never seen a fighter get so much credit for a losing.

I like Vitali Klitschko but come on facts are facts, he lost. Lennox Lewis wasn't in his prime. But then again i still think Vitali Klitschko gives him fits at any point in his career.

And lastly i call whipped.

Joe Calzaghe vs Jeff Lacy
James Toney vs Iran Barkley

This fight was neither it was a good see-saw battle.

[DaxxKahn]

What I mean by "whipping" is defined by what I saw, which was clear to me. And it's backed up by all three scorecards 58-56 (4 rounds to 2) at the time of the stoppage. And here are the punch stats, which I think are pretty impressive and tell the tale.

Total Punches
Lewis Klitschko
Landed 102 156
Thrown 222 432
Pct. 46% 36%

Jabs: Lewis Klitschko
Landed 52 77
Thrown 120 240
Pct. 43% 32%

Power Punches
Lewis Klitschko
Landed 50 79
Thrown 102 192
Pct. 49% 41%

I didn't make these up! LOL, but the stats are pretty lop-sided, and the three judges were scoring against the reigning champ. That's why I say Lewis was getting whipped.

Well, those are impressive numbers, but at the fight's end, Lewis didnt show signs of, or look like a man who had been "whipped." Now Vitali on the otherhand... he looked like he had a rough night. So I guess sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story. And I dont mean to be sarcastic, I'm just telling like it is. I'm sure we have all seen the fight many times and have seen how both fighter looked after the fight.

Agreed those number's don't tell me anything new, of course Vitali Klitschko landed more punches and was ahead in the fight early on. We all know that already, its the fact that Lennox Lewis was coming on in the middle rounds.

When he wrecked Vitali Klitschko, with a vicious uppercut in the 6th round. Vitali Klitschko done virtually nothing after that, and was holding on at the end of the 6th round.

Lennox Lewis was gonna get him, and especially with Vitali Klitschko's horrendous cut, how much longer could he have gone on ? and is risking your eye sight worth it ?

Wow so Lennox Lewis was 2 rounds down, like no fighter has ever comeback from only 2 rounds down. Its ridiculous i've never seen a fighter get so much credit for a losing.

I like Vitali Klitschko but come on facts are facts, he lost. Lennox Lewis wasn't in his prime. But then again i still think Vitali Klitschko gives him fits at any point in his career.

And lastly i call whipped.

Joe Calzaghe vs Jeff Lacy
James Toney vs Iran Barkley

This fight was neither it was a good see-saw battle.

well said