OR whAT ABOUT PACMAN VS HAMED how would that have been?

[smashup]

Pac would have battered Naz silly.

FACT

[ICB]

Pac would have battered Naz silly.

FACT

Your thinking way too much about the new and improved Manny Pacquiao, the Manny Pacquiao at Featherweight isn't the same animal. Although he was still very dangerous.

He was a raw brawling fighter, who always come forward. And he was pretty one dimensional, i wouldn't be shocked with Naseem Hamed's power if he upset Manny Pacquiao.

[smashup]

Pac would have battered Naz silly.

FACT

Your thinking way too much about the new and improved Manny Pacquiao, the Manny Pacquiao at Featherweight isn't the same animal. Although he was still very dangerous.

He was a raw brawling fighter, who always come forward. And he was pretty one dimensional, i wouldn't be shocked with Naseem Hamed's power if he upset Manny Pacquiao.

I think the only way Naz could possibly have upset him would be by blowing off during the stare down

[ICB]

Pac would have battered Naz silly.

FACT

Your thinking way too much about the new and improved Manny Pacquiao, the Manny Pacquiao at Featherweight isn't the same animal. Although he was still very dangerous.

He was a raw brawling fighter, who always come forward. And he was pretty one dimensional, i wouldn't be shocked with Naseem Hamed's power if he upset Manny Pacquiao.

I think the only way Naz could possibly have upset him would be by blowing off during the stare down

I just think the Manny Pacquiao at Featherweight is beatable, he was one dimensional. And he never boxed on the backfoot, he always come forward. And he was very hittable aswell.

I really think that could spell disaster for Manny Pacquiao, because Naseem Hamed has unreal power. I mean only two men went the distance with him during his title reign, and they were the normally very durable Cesar Soto, and granite chinned Wayne McCullough.

[generalbulldog]

Yes Pacquiao was pretty raw at that stage and could be stopped by Hamed, but a few things he had that Hamed never possessed or exhibit in the ring against an ATG, were mental toughness, a willingness to dig deep, and oh yeah something call having heart. The Barrera fight proved that Hamed for all his great physical gifts severely lacked these attributes that pushes a fighter into the upper echelon of all time great.That's why I'm going with Pacquiao for a win if there was a mythical matchup at 126.

And if someone is going to bring up let's say the Kevin Kelly fight to try and say he possessed the intangibles I mentioned, people have to remember Kelly while a good fighter, was not an ATG fighter like a Barrera or a Pacquiao.

[Dark Lord Al]

Pacman is a great fighter , who lost to morales and bounced back , fighting and beating the best.
Hamed is a protected fighter with huge floors , poor defence , yes he has power , but that sit , Pacman is to fast for him and stops him inside 5.

[rjj tszyu]

Now this is an old thread and was before Pac was the superstar he is now but even then I would have gone for Pac to beat Hamed to a pulp. He is just a different league IMO. The only other great fighter Hamed fought who was still of reasonable age was Barrera and he got battered in that one. Pac would KO him.

[Fenster]

ICB spot on.

The featherweight version of Pac is not the awesome fighting machine of now. He was just a straight left hand (albeit a lightning fast killer left hand). He wouldn't have made it out of three rounds with Naz.

Whoomp there it is!

Naz KO 2.

[ICB]

Yes Pacquiao was pretty raw at that stage and could be stopped by Hamed, but a few things he had that Hamed never possessed or exhibit in the ring against an ATG, were mental toughness, a willingness to dig deep, and oh yeah something call having heart. The Barrera fight proved that Hamed for all his great physical gifts severely lacked these attributes that pushes a fighter into the upper echelon of all time great.That's why I'm going with Pacquiao for a win if there was a mythical matchup at 126.

And if someone is going to bring up let's say the Kevin Kelly fight to try and say he possessed the intangibles I mentioned, people have to remember Kelly while a good fighter, was not an ATG fighter like a Barrera or a Pacquiao.

Naseem Hamed showed heart vs Manuel Medina, Paul Ingle. Both fights were very tough and he prevailed.

[generalbulldog]

Yes Pacquiao was pretty raw at that stage and could be stopped by Hamed, but a few things he had that Hamed never possessed or exhibit in the ring against an ATG, were mental toughness, a willingness to dig deep, and oh yeah something call having heart. The Barrera fight proved that Hamed for all his great physical gifts severely lacked these attributes that pushes a fighter into the upper echelon of all time great.That's why I'm going with Pacquiao for a win if there was a mythical matchup at 126.

And if someone is going to bring up let's say the Kevin Kelly fight to try and say he possessed the intangibles I mentioned, people have to remember Kelly while a good fighter, was not an ATG fighter like a Barrera or a Pacquiao.

Naseem Hamed showed heart vs Manuel Medina, Paul Ingle. Both fights were very tough and he prevailed.

Medina and INgle are not Barrera and Pacquiao, those 2 are leagues ahead of them in talent and intangibles. Coming back against Medina and Ingle is one thing, doing it against ATG fighters is another.

The reality of the matter is that Hamed did not show the intangibles I mentioned in the Barrera fight. He didn't show he had heart, mental toughness, a willingness to gut it out, in a tought fight against an All time great fighter.

Every once in a while, there is a thread about how Hamed would do against a Pacquiao, Morales, JMM, etc. Hamed looked great fighting against the likes of Kevin Kelly, Wayne McCullough, Steve Robinson, etc. But guys like Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales, JMM are not those kind of fighters Hamed is used to fighting. They are a whole different league in terms of talent and mindset.

[BIG H]

At Featherweight it's a 50/50 fight that doesn't go past 6 rounds imo

[Fenster]

Yes Pacquiao was pretty raw at that stage and could be stopped by Hamed, but a few things he had that Hamed never possessed or exhibit in the ring against an ATG, were mental toughness, a willingness to dig deep, and oh yeah something call having heart. The Barrera fight proved that Hamed for all his great physical gifts severely lacked these attributes that pushes a fighter into the upper echelon of all time great.That's why I'm going with Pacquiao for a win if there was a mythical matchup at 126.

And if someone is going to bring up let's say the Kevin Kelly fight to try and say he possessed the intangibles I mentioned, people have to remember Kelly while a good fighter, was not an ATG fighter like a Barrera or a Pacquiao.

Naseem Hamed showed heart vs Manuel Medina, Paul Ingle. Both fights were very tough and he prevailed.

Medina and INgle are not Barrera and Pacquiao, those 2 are leagues ahead of them in talent and intangibles. Coming back against Medina and Ingle is one thing, doing it against ATG fighters is another.

The reality of the matter is that Hamed did not show the intangibles I mentioned in the Barrera fight. He didn't show he had heart, mental toughness, a willingness to gut it out, in a tought fight against an All time great fighter.

Every once in a while, there is a thread about how Hamed would do against a Pacquiao, Morales, JMM, etc. Hamed looked great fighting against the likes of Kevin Kelly, Wayne McCullough, Steve Robinson, etc. But guys like Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales, JMM are not those kind of fighters Hamed is used to fighting. They are a whole different league in terms of talent and mindset.

Naz getting outboxed by Barrera shows he didn't have heart? That's a harsh way to judge fighters. Bascially any fighter that gets soundly beaten doesn't have heart, mental toughness or a willingness to fight it out.

I guess Barrera showed he doesn't have heart, mental toughness or a willingness to fight it out in the Pac fights?

Maybe Naz lost because Barrera simply fought a better fight than him

[jolz]

Naz had a good chin for sure he only had flash knockdowns against him and some he was off balance he had to take big full blooded shots off Barrera i think Naz could stop the Pacman i think sometimes Naz's power gets underrated

Naz can't lose to anyone in your eyes how about Tyson vs Naz how would that have gone


Regarding this fight well i might agree that Naz could win because Pacs come forward pressure style could be disaster for Pac.

OK, 2001= MAB won against Naz,
after 2 years, 2003= MP KO'd MAB (lopsided)

You be the judge...

[BIG H]

Naz had a good chin for sure he only had flash knockdowns against him and some he was off balance he had to take big full blooded shots off Barrera i think Naz could stop the Pacman i think sometimes Naz's power gets underrated

Naz can't lose to anyone in your eyes how about Tyson vs Naz how would that have gone


Regarding this fight well i might agree that Naz could win because Pacs come forward pressure style could be disaster for Pac.

OK, 2001= MAB won against Naz,
after 2 years, 2003= MP KO'd MAB (lopsided)

You be the judge...

4 or 5 more fights including a war with Morales between those two dates

[generalbulldog]

Naseem Hamed showed heart vs Manuel Medina, Paul Ingle. Both fights were very tough and he prevailed.

Medina and INgle are not Barrera and Pacquiao, those 2 are leagues ahead of them in talent and intangibles. Coming back against Medina and Ingle is one thing, doing it against ATG fighters is another.

The reality of the matter is that Hamed did not show the intangibles I mentioned in the Barrera fight. He didn't show he had heart, mental toughness, a willingness to gut it out, in a tought fight against an All time great fighter.

Every once in a while, there is a thread about how Hamed would do against a Pacquiao, Morales, JMM, etc. Hamed looked great fighting against the likes of Kevin Kelly, Wayne McCullough, Steve Robinson, etc. But guys like Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales, JMM are not those kind of fighters Hamed is used to fighting. They are a whole different league in terms of talent and mindset.

Naz getting outboxed by Barrera shows he didn't have heart? That's a harsh way to judge fighters. Bascially any fighter that gets soundly beaten doesn't have heart, mental toughness or a willingness to fight it out.

I guess Barrera showed he doesn't have heart, mental toughness or a willingness to fight it out in the Pac fights?

Maybe Naz lost because Barrera simply fought a better fight than him

I haven't watched the Hamed-Barerra fight in 6 or 7 years but what I remember was that Hamed was trying to resort to dirty tactics out of frustration and then looked like he was mailing it in in the mid to late rounds when it looked like it was a tough fight against an all time great and he couldn't possibly edge it out.

JMM was getting outboxed by Floyd, but it never looked like he was going through the motions and had already given up. Pac was getting outboxed and suffered a cut against Morales in their 1st fight he didn't look to mail it in and go through the motions.

Hamed looked great beating guys like Robinson, Kelly, McCullogh, but how did he look when he finally step it up against a Barrera? Just because Hamed looks great against B+ fighters doesn't mean he beats A-list fighters like a Pac, Barrera, Morales, JMM, etc.

Remember there was a recent Valero thread, where the majority said that Valero easily KOs/beats Pac because Valero looked so great at 135 with a 100% ko ratio in his career? But what people don't realize was that he never beat elite A+ competition (meaning atg or even p4p figthers), so I find it hard to believe he kos pac easily. Same thing I feel here with Hamed.