OR whAT ABOUT PACMAN VS HAMED how would that have been?

[ICB]

Yes Pacquiao was pretty raw at that stage and could be stopped by Hamed, but a few things he had that Hamed never possessed or exhibit in the ring against an ATG, were mental toughness, a willingness to dig deep, and oh yeah something call having heart. The Barrera fight proved that Hamed for all his great physical gifts severely lacked these attributes that pushes a fighter into the upper echelon of all time great.That's why I'm going with Pacquiao for a win if there was a mythical matchup at 126.

And if someone is going to bring up let's say the Kevin Kelly fight to try and say he possessed the intangibles I mentioned, people have to remember Kelly while a good fighter, was not an ATG fighter like a Barrera or a Pacquiao.

Naseem Hamed showed heart vs Manuel Medina, Paul Ingle. Both fights were very tough and he prevailed.

[generalbulldog]

Yes Pacquiao was pretty raw at that stage and could be stopped by Hamed, but a few things he had that Hamed never possessed or exhibit in the ring against an ATG, were mental toughness, a willingness to dig deep, and oh yeah something call having heart. The Barrera fight proved that Hamed for all his great physical gifts severely lacked these attributes that pushes a fighter into the upper echelon of all time great.That's why I'm going with Pacquiao for a win if there was a mythical matchup at 126.

And if someone is going to bring up let's say the Kevin Kelly fight to try and say he possessed the intangibles I mentioned, people have to remember Kelly while a good fighter, was not an ATG fighter like a Barrera or a Pacquiao.

Naseem Hamed showed heart vs Manuel Medina, Paul Ingle. Both fights were very tough and he prevailed.

Medina and INgle are not Barrera and Pacquiao, those 2 are leagues ahead of them in talent and intangibles. Coming back against Medina and Ingle is one thing, doing it against ATG fighters is another.

The reality of the matter is that Hamed did not show the intangibles I mentioned in the Barrera fight. He didn't show he had heart, mental toughness, a willingness to gut it out, in a tought fight against an All time great fighter.

Every once in a while, there is a thread about how Hamed would do against a Pacquiao, Morales, JMM, etc. Hamed looked great fighting against the likes of Kevin Kelly, Wayne McCullough, Steve Robinson, etc. But guys like Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales, JMM are not those kind of fighters Hamed is used to fighting. They are a whole different league in terms of talent and mindset.

[BIG H]

At Featherweight it's a 50/50 fight that doesn't go past 6 rounds imo

[Fenster]

Yes Pacquiao was pretty raw at that stage and could be stopped by Hamed, but a few things he had that Hamed never possessed or exhibit in the ring against an ATG, were mental toughness, a willingness to dig deep, and oh yeah something call having heart. The Barrera fight proved that Hamed for all his great physical gifts severely lacked these attributes that pushes a fighter into the upper echelon of all time great.That's why I'm going with Pacquiao for a win if there was a mythical matchup at 126.

And if someone is going to bring up let's say the Kevin Kelly fight to try and say he possessed the intangibles I mentioned, people have to remember Kelly while a good fighter, was not an ATG fighter like a Barrera or a Pacquiao.

Naseem Hamed showed heart vs Manuel Medina, Paul Ingle. Both fights were very tough and he prevailed.

Medina and INgle are not Barrera and Pacquiao, those 2 are leagues ahead of them in talent and intangibles. Coming back against Medina and Ingle is one thing, doing it against ATG fighters is another.

The reality of the matter is that Hamed did not show the intangibles I mentioned in the Barrera fight. He didn't show he had heart, mental toughness, a willingness to gut it out, in a tought fight against an All time great fighter.

Every once in a while, there is a thread about how Hamed would do against a Pacquiao, Morales, JMM, etc. Hamed looked great fighting against the likes of Kevin Kelly, Wayne McCullough, Steve Robinson, etc. But guys like Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales, JMM are not those kind of fighters Hamed is used to fighting. They are a whole different league in terms of talent and mindset.

Naz getting outboxed by Barrera shows he didn't have heart? That's a harsh way to judge fighters. Bascially any fighter that gets soundly beaten doesn't have heart, mental toughness or a willingness to fight it out.

I guess Barrera showed he doesn't have heart, mental toughness or a willingness to fight it out in the Pac fights?

Maybe Naz lost because Barrera simply fought a better fight than him

[generalbulldog]

Naseem Hamed showed heart vs Manuel Medina, Paul Ingle. Both fights were very tough and he prevailed.

Medina and INgle are not Barrera and Pacquiao, those 2 are leagues ahead of them in talent and intangibles. Coming back against Medina and Ingle is one thing, doing it against ATG fighters is another.

The reality of the matter is that Hamed did not show the intangibles I mentioned in the Barrera fight. He didn't show he had heart, mental toughness, a willingness to gut it out, in a tought fight against an All time great fighter.

Every once in a while, there is a thread about how Hamed would do against a Pacquiao, Morales, JMM, etc. Hamed looked great fighting against the likes of Kevin Kelly, Wayne McCullough, Steve Robinson, etc. But guys like Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales, JMM are not those kind of fighters Hamed is used to fighting. They are a whole different league in terms of talent and mindset.

Naz getting outboxed by Barrera shows he didn't have heart? That's a harsh way to judge fighters. Bascially any fighter that gets soundly beaten doesn't have heart, mental toughness or a willingness to fight it out.

I guess Barrera showed he doesn't have heart, mental toughness or a willingness to fight it out in the Pac fights?

Maybe Naz lost because Barrera simply fought a better fight than him

I haven't watched the Hamed-Barerra fight in 6 or 7 years but what I remember was that Hamed was trying to resort to dirty tactics out of frustration and then looked like he was mailing it in in the mid to late rounds when it looked like it was a tough fight against an all time great and he couldn't possibly edge it out.

JMM was getting outboxed by Floyd, but it never looked like he was going through the motions and had already given up. Pac was getting outboxed and suffered a cut against Morales in their 1st fight he didn't look to mail it in and go through the motions.

Hamed looked great beating guys like Robinson, Kelly, McCullogh, but how did he look when he finally step it up against a Barrera? Just because Hamed looks great against B+ fighters doesn't mean he beats A-list fighters like a Pac, Barrera, Morales, JMM, etc.

Remember there was a recent Valero thread, where the majority said that Valero easily KOs/beats Pac because Valero looked so great at 135 with a 100% ko ratio in his career? But what people don't realize was that he never beat elite A+ competition (meaning atg or even p4p figthers), so I find it hard to believe he kos pac easily. Same thing I feel here with Hamed.

[Fenster]

Medina and INgle are not Barrera and Pacquiao, those 2 are leagues ahead of them in talent and intangibles. Coming back against Medina and Ingle is one thing, doing it against ATG fighters is another.

The reality of the matter is that Hamed did not show the intangibles I mentioned in the Barrera fight. He didn't show he had heart, mental toughness, a willingness to gut it out, in a tought fight against an All time great fighter.

Every once in a while, there is a thread about how Hamed would do against a Pacquiao, Morales, JMM, etc. Hamed looked great fighting against the likes of Kevin Kelly, Wayne McCullough, Steve Robinson, etc. But guys like Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales, JMM are not those kind of fighters Hamed is used to fighting. They are a whole different league in terms of talent and mindset.

Naz getting outboxed by Barrera shows he didn't have heart? That's a harsh way to judge fighters. Bascially any fighter that gets soundly beaten doesn't have heart, mental toughness or a willingness to fight it out.

I guess Barrera showed he doesn't have heart, mental toughness or a willingness to fight it out in the Pac fights?

Maybe Naz lost because Barrera simply fought a better fight than him

I haven't watched the Hamed-Barerra fight in 6 or 7 years but what I remember was that Hamed was trying to resort to dirty tactics out of frustration and then looked like he was mailing it in in the mid to late rounds when it looked like it was a tough fight against an all time great and he couldn't possibly edge it out.

JMM was getting outboxed by Floyd, but it never looked like he was going through the motions and had already given up. Pac was getting outboxed and suffered a cut against Morales in their 1st fight he didn't look to mail it in and go through the motions.

Hamed looked great beating guys like Robinson, Kelly, McCullogh, but how did he look when he finally step it up against a Barrera? Just because Hamed looks great against B+ fighters doesn't mean he beats A-list fighters like a Pac, Barrera, Morales, JMM, etc.

Remember there was a recent Valero thread, where the majority said that Valero easily KOs/beats Pac because Valero looked so great at 135 with a 100% ko ratio in his career? But what people don't realize was that he never beat elite A+ competition (meaning atg or even p4p figthers), so I find it hard to believe he kos pac easily. Same thing I feel here with Hamed.

Naz tried to land his KO shots the whole fight. That's where he went wrong. He was arrogant and deluded enough to believe one punch would end the fight. He expected Barrera to come forward allowing him to counter with his bombs, but obviously Barrera was smarter than that and did the virtual opposite.

You can't say he lacked heart for fighting a bad fight, being beaten by a smarter guy on the night or quite simply being beaten by a better fighter.

The real dirty move came from Barrera smashing Hamed's head into the turnbuckle. With hindsight Naz should have feigned serious injury forcing the ref to DQ Barrera - then you could have questioned his heart.

For sure Pac may have smashed him. Just like Naz may have smashed Pac. We'll never know

[miron_lang]

For sure Pac may have smashed him. Just like Naz may have smashed Pac. We'll never know

Great one.


I think every post in a thread like this should end like this sentence


In a fantasy fight...we will never know. all logic goes to pac at this one because of how they performed in their real fights but hamed also has that legit one punch KO power.

If Tyson-Douglas didnt happened and a poll thread was made on that matchup im sure 100% of votes goes to Tyson.

[UKPH]

Hehe this makes me laugh they used MARQUEZ as denominator against Pacquiao, which in contrary Naz even didnt met Marquez who was a champion also on that time.

Simple Naz was schooled and Barrera makes him ashamed and lost the drive in boxing. so we can't see him how he can boxed, schooled or K.Oed in this run by other greats.

If Naz met Marquez, Morales or Luisito Espinosa on that time who was a feather champ on his time and also could bang on that time (late 90's) well i dunno.

but comparin and making Naz really the man, well i dont really can't compare coz he just quit and lose his drive in boxing after he was schooled by Barrera, if he just met another greats like Marquez, Morales or even Espinosa the debate is much easier to make.

[AirJordanIV]

Great thread. I am a proud Pinoy Pactard from Daly City, California (Little Manila, USA). That being said, featherweight Hamed beats featherweight Pac. I know it sounds blasphemous to my fellow Pachuggers, but before even before Pac came along, my family and I have been true boxing fans, unlike most upstart boxing fans that only started watching because of Pac. Me and my cousins would set up big fight parties for Hamed fights. We celebrated every fight he had where he knocked someone stupid. We would crack up with every ring entrance. And his Euro/hiphop slang was a hoot. Anyways, the feather Pac was too raw and overly aggressive and left hand happy. He would get countered my Hamed a lot. The only thing against Hamed is that he was a one shot a time guy being that he had great power. I think combos would suit him better against Pac like it did for JMM. We will never know...Just like we will never know Valero vs Pac. Anyone want to weigh in on JMM v Hamed or Morales v Hamed or even PBF v Hamed?

[miron_lang]

Great thread. I am a proud Pinoy Pactard from Daly City, California (Little Manila, USA). That being said, featherweight Hamed beats featherweight Pac. I know it sounds blasphemous to my fellow Pachuggers, but before even before Pac came along, my family and I have been true boxing fans, unlike most upstart boxing fans that only started watching because of Pac. Me and my cousins would set up big fight parties for Hamed fights. We celebrated every fight he had where he knocked someone stupid. We would crack up with every ring entrance. And his Euro/hiphop slang was a hoot. Anyways, the feather Pac was too raw and overly aggressive and left hand happy. He would get countered my Hamed a lot. The only thing against Hamed is that he was a one shot a time guy being that he had great power. I think combos would suit him better against Pac like it did for JMM. We will never know...Just like we will never know Valero vs Pac. Anyone want to weigh in on JMM v Hamed or Morales v Hamed or even PBF v Hamed?

Wow Congrats on that.

[Dark Lord Al]

Yes Pacquiao was pretty raw at that stage and could be stopped by Hamed, but a few things he had that Hamed never possessed or exhibit in the ring against an ATG, were mental toughness, a willingness to dig deep, and oh yeah something call having heart. The Barrera fight proved that Hamed for all his great physical gifts severely lacked these attributes that pushes a fighter into the upper echelon of all time great.That's why I'm going with Pacquiao for a win if there was a mythical matchup at 126.

And if someone is going to bring up let's say the Kevin Kelly fight to try and say he possessed the intangibles I mentioned, people have to remember Kelly while a good fighter, was not an ATG fighter like a Barrera or a Pacquiao.

Naseem Hamed showed heart vs Manuel Medina, Paul Ingle. Both fights were very tough and he prevailed.

Both light punchers , both B class fighters , pac wins easily , Hamed was floored by Kevin Kelly , a stylish boxer ,Pac would behead Hamed.

[ICB]

Yes Pacquiao was pretty raw at that stage and could be stopped by Hamed, but a few things he had that Hamed never possessed or exhibit in the ring against an ATG, were mental toughness, a willingness to dig deep, and oh yeah something call having heart. The Barrera fight proved that Hamed for all his great physical gifts severely lacked these attributes that pushes a fighter into the upper echelon of all time great.That's why I'm going with Pacquiao for a win if there was a mythical matchup at 126.

And if someone is going to bring up let's say the Kevin Kelly fight to try and say he possessed the intangibles I mentioned, people have to remember Kelly while a good fighter, was not an ATG fighter like a Barrera or a Pacquiao.

Naseem Hamed showed heart vs Manuel Medina, Paul Ingle. Both fights were very tough and he prevailed.

Both light punchers , both B class fighters , pac wins easily , Hamed was floored by Kevin Kelly , a stylish boxer ,Pac would behead Hamed.

A prime Kevin Kelley is just as fast, and just as dangerous as Manny Pacquiao at Featherweight. I think Kevin Kelley gets seriously underrated. Yes his chin was suspect but he had tons of heart, and could beat anyone at his best.