Could Floyd end his career as the best ever?

[JonesJrMayweather]

Watch the first Jones-Griffin fight and you will see that a guy like Mayweather would pick Roy apart because he is throws punches that simply wouldn't land on Floyd because they are too wide and thrown from too far away.

I will completely agree though that Roy was capable of dominating c level competition better than anyone else, but not B+ or higher levels of competition.

Here we go again...same ole bullshit. Go watch this fight and go watch that fight, but let's forget about the fights were guys who weren't even an eight of Roy's speed landed flush on floyd. Let's forget about how prime floyd arguably lost to castillo a fighter not fit to carry Jones's jock strap..Let's forget chop chop landed flush and wobbled floyd. Let's forget judah unofficially dropped him. Let's forget he couldn't stop a man two weight classes smaller than him. Let's forget all of the fights that point to why Jones would knock floyd silly...Let's not mention the fact that jones spent majority of his career fighting guys naturally bigger than him and did it in dominating fashion. Let's forget that its RJJ that's is often pitted in hypothetical match ups against ALL TIME GREAT TRUE HEAVY'S when he started at 154. This self admission that anyone below heavy stands a punchers chance against roy, and @ MW-LHW Jones beats everyone in history 9 out of 10....

I am going to highlight the whole arguement because its terrible, yes Roy was a great fighter, but it's largely contested he never really ever weighed in at 154, a lot of people believe on the smaller stage he was able to fake 160 for 154.
Also the guys who landed flush punches on FLoyd didn't do it with speed, but with proper diligence(do you need me to explain the word). The whole point is that anyone of any speed can land on anyone if they fight correctly, but ROy's flamboyant style has no place against the elites of the sport. Anyone that can come close to matching his speed would likely beat him because of he depended on being so much faster than guys that if he wasn't like against Griffin he had a lot of troubles because their punches would come straighter and land before his.

I think Roy was the greatest fighter against anyone who wasn't in his class athletically, but that was his one true advantage, all his genius and abilities were based on that.

Must be why he dominated james toney, UD over hopkins, macallum, kayoed virgil hill, dominated reggie johnson, gonazales, and so on and so on...

[JonesJrMayweather]

A world champion who defends his title against a part time cop waives his right to be all time greatest.

Youre fucking stupid..what do you think all the "contenders" do to make money until they earn a shot at the champ? THEY WORK BLUE COLLAR JOBS..In fact unless we're talking about a well groomed amateur fighter, most likely they will be blue collars workers that also box.

The problem that roy fought a man that was a part time cop, isnt roy's fault you can blame the sanctioning bodies for that.

People are so fucking stupid when it comes to the politics of modern boxing its annoying. Roy's isnt held to the highest regards because of his opponents? Get the fuck out of here, he's beaten more top ten and future champions than anyone. Roy's problem was that he didnt tie into any of the big name promoters that normally sell opponents as "legit". That's the only reason Tyson is even mentioned in any heavy ATG debate. Because Dong king was such a great promoter in making people believe those stiffs had a chance. Guess what Douglass was doing before he knocked Tyson the fuck out? He was a plumber or carpet layer...

The SMW tourney sums up the exact view of the old time fighters vs RJJ. A group of guys all worthy and capable of being champ and its very interesting to watch and an easy sell because of how close they all are in terms of being able to beat each other. This elevates all their stock because they're so close. Now you drop a phenom like Prime RJJ in there and no one would be interested because after he'd kTFO one of them inside 5 rounds then followed it up with another kayo, everyone would lose interest and say ohh they all werent that good anyway and RJJ should be fighting heavys because he hits too hard, he's too fast, he can't be hit flush, etc etc etc

[Nameless]

He can go out as one of the best of its generation but he's far from the all time top 20.

[El Kabong]

100% agreed Nameless

Floyd NEVER unified titles in any weight division....ever! Which means he can't even be considered the "Undisputed" champion of ANY weight class, yes there were guys he didn't bother to fight because they were bums but there are also some very quality guys he missed out on fighting too.

In the all time P4P rankings there are a number of fighters better than Floyd (maybe not skillwise but definently recordwise): Robinson, Armstrong, Pep, Duran, Hearns, Ray Leonard, Benny Leonard, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, etc.

I don't doubt Floyd is great but there are a number of fighters he had better be down on his knees praising God that he didn't have to fight in their primes in his era: Tommy Hearns, Felix Trinidad, Pernell Whittaker, Oscar De la Hoya, Shane Mosley, Aaron Pryor, Julio Cesar Chavez, Roberto Duran, Ray Leonard, etc.

[terrorsid]

i dont think so this is a guy who said he doesn't care about legacy he just cares about money. And if he wants to go down as the greatest he has to unify them titles and defend against madatorys as well as prime superstars who are reaching the pound 4 pound top ranks such as paul williams, andre berto, screw pacquiao cause mayweathers annoying and has million excuses but manny really didn't take those test for the fight so pacmans excluded, Even though he has loses still always wanted him to fight cotto margarito. Basically to me what he has to do his fight prime fighters who are actually pound for pound material with a real chance. For him to say he's the best ever is a far fetch and i think he has to actually prove that by beating the current champs at welter. This one sounds stupid but i thought if he could expand his mind a big big ass payday for mayweather would be to get Amir Khan in the ring. If it makes money it makes sense right? Khan has a big fan base and they both have olympic medals If he flew across it would be the biggest thing ever. Money wise anyway.

[Gandalf]

100% agreed Nameless

Floyd NEVER unified titles in any weight division....ever! Which means he can't even be considered the "Undisputed" champion of ANY weight class, yes there were guys he didn't bother to fight because they were bums but there are also some very quality guys he missed out on fighting too.

In the all time P4P rankings there are a number of fighters better than Floyd (maybe not skillwise but definently recordwise): Robinson, Armstrong, Pep, Duran, Hearns, Ray Leonard, Benny Leonard, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, etc.

I don't doubt Floyd is great but there are a number of fighters he had better be down on his knees praising God that he didn't have to fight in their primes in his era: Tommy Hearns, Felix Trinidad, Pernell Whittaker, Oscar De la Hoya, Shane Mosley, Aaron Pryor, Julio Cesar Chavez, Roberto Duran, Ray Leonard, etc.

I agree with this. Floyd picks and chooses, and like you say, picks the guys at the weights and ignores others. His record at 140 and above is so full of holes and fighters that had no business being in there with a top PFP fighter. Mayweather's record is flawed because in recent years he refused to take risks. It is for that reason that he most likely will not go down as the best ever. There are a lot of fighters greater than Floyd Mayweather.

[match]

A world champion who defends his title against a part time cop waives his right to be all time greatest.

Youre fucking stupid..what do you think all the "contenders" do to make money until they earn a shot at the champ? THEY WORK BLUE COLLAR JOBS..In fact unless we're talking about a well groomed amateur fighter, most likely they will be blue collars workers that also box.

The problem that roy fought a man that was a part time cop, isnt roy's fault you can blame the sanctioning bodies for that.

People are so fucking stupid when it comes to the politics of modern boxing its annoying. Roy's isnt held to the highest regards because of his opponents? Get the fuck out of here, he's beaten more top ten and future champions than anyone. Roy's problem was that he didnt tie into any of the big name promoters that normally sell opponents as "legit". That's the only reason Tyson is even mentioned in any heavy ATG debate. Because Dong king was such a great promoter in making people believe those stiffs had a chance. Guess what Douglass was doing before he knocked Tyson the fuck out? He was a plumber or carpet layer...

The SMW tourney sums up the exact view of the old time fighters vs RJJ. A group of guys all worthy and capable of being champ and its very interesting to watch and an easy sell because of how close they all are in terms of being able to beat each other. This elevates all their stock because they're so close. Now you drop a phenom like Prime RJJ in there and no one would be interested because after he'd kTFO one of them inside 5 rounds then followed it up with another kayo, everyone would lose interest and say ohh they all werent that good anyway and RJJ should be fighting heavys because he hits too hard, he's too fast, he can't be hit flush, etc etc etc

Sorry gay boy, but you've proven to be not only a Roy cocksucker, but also borderline illiterate. I said a 'WORLD CHAMPION.', not a journeyman stupid. Most world champions, especially those who at the time are considered the top p4p fighter in the world, fight full time boxers, now feel free to go fuck yourself

[HattonTheHammer]

He can go out as one of the best of its generation but he's far from the all time top 20.

Bit harse fella

He has beaten some world class fighters, never been beaten and if he can manage to win tonight and against pacquiao i would have to say he`d be up there with leonard, hagler, robinson

Him and pacquiao need eachother for either man to cement their legacys. The winner of that fight truly goes down as one of the all time greats!!

[Kev]

Ok another win, another world class demolition job.

So does this change anything? He's got to be creeping into the top 10 now surely?

[El Kabong]

Ok another win, another world class demolition job.

So does this change anything? He's got to be creeping into the top 10 now surely?

...nope I could name several fighters that in their primes would have just destroyed Mayweather in his prime.

[ICB]

Ok another win, another world class demolition job.

So does this change anything? He's got to be creeping into the top 10 now surely?

...nope I could name several fighters that in their primes would have just destroyed Mayweather in his prime.

No fighter in history would of destroyed Floyd Mayweather Jr, is there fighters that could have beaten him ? yes of course but never destroy or dominate.

[El Kabong]

No fighter in history would of destroyed Floyd Mayweather Jr, is there fighters that could have beaten him ? yes of course but never destroy or dominate.

...imagine in that second round that Floyd was fighting Tommy Hearns or Tito Trinidad.....DESTROYED! I stand by it. Sugar Ray Robinson would have massacred Floyd that's just an outright FACT and Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Alexis Arguello in their primes would be EXTREMELY difficult for Floyd to beat.

And that being said Floyd has fought faded (still very good but faded admit it) versions of Shane Mosley (taking nothing away from this fight, Floyd amazed me with his speed and ability to survive and then come back and fight) and Oscar De la Hoya and Shane hurt him badly and Oscar did very well and without his normal trainer in his corner and Ricky Hatton & Marquez outside their true weight classes when they had shown nothing great in those higher weight classes.

Yes Floyd is great but just like people criticize Marciano for fighting old guys what about Floyd? Yes Floyd is great, yes he's THE dominant fighter of his era (he may share that with Manny until they fight) and he'll go down in history as one of the greatest but I put an astrisk next to his name because if he was really out to proove he was the best he'd schedule fights like Miguel Cotto does and just fight the toughest guys out there instead of hand picking guys.

Floyd's great but let's just not get ahead of ourselves...Tommy Hearns would whip his ass yes it's a fact

[smashup]

I'ld still like Mayweather to fight Paul Williams before he retires. It will never happen I know. But he would get a lot of credit if he beat Williams IMO.

Doubt he will Lefty

[ICB]

No fighter in history would of destroyed Floyd Mayweather Jr, is there fighters that could have beaten him ? yes of course but never destroy or dominate.

...imagine in that second round that Floyd was fighting Tommy Hearns or Tito Trinidad.....DESTROYED! I stand by it. Sugar Ray Robinson would have massacred Floyd that's just an outright FACT and Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Alexis Arguello in their primes would be EXTREMELY difficult for Floyd to beat.

And that being said Floyd has fought faded (still very good but faded admit it) versions of Shane Mosley (taking nothing away from this fight, Floyd amazed me with his speed and ability to survive and then come back and fight) and Oscar De la Hoya and Shane hurt him badly and Oscar did very well and without his normal trainer in his corner and Ricky Hatton & Marquez outside their true weight classes when they had shown nothing great in those higher weight classes.

Yes Floyd is great but just like people criticize Marciano for fighting old guys what about Floyd? Yes Floyd is great, yes he's THE dominant fighter of his era (he may share that with Manny until they fight) and he'll go down in history as one of the greatest but I put an astrisk next to his name because if he was really out to proove he was the best he'd schedule fights like Miguel Cotto does and just fight the toughest guys out there instead of hand picking guys.

Floyd's great but let's just not get ahead of ourselves...Tommy Hearns would whip his ass yes it's a fact

I think Tommy Hearns would beat him but not dominate him, Wilfredo Benitez a similar defensive fighter to Floyd Mayweather Jr. Wasn't dominated by Tommy Hearns, but he was clearly out pointed which is the most logical answer, regarding how Floyd Mayweather Jr would do.

And again regarding SRL, SRR. I think they'd outpoint him but not dominate him. And they'd be made to look bad on there way to winning aswell. Floyd Mayweather Jr is simply too good of an all rounder to be dominated by anyone.

[El Kabong]

So you're saying Tommy couldn't KO Floyd if he landed that same right cross Shane landed?....if you are then I beg to differ