US students kicked of school campus for wearing US flag t-shirts

[Youngblood]

How does someone with 7 posts, who appears to be an alt, have access to this forum?

I did this already before he even made a post. Just a bit more sorting work for the boss. Will be a few more kinks Im sure before it all gets back to reg. plus us adapting to it. I just noticed him reading in here, and thought...."hmm, I sure like to talk shit where people cant see it. We cant have them seeing it now."

[Oggie]

Yeah, what's going on? We can't have newbies knowing how mental we are so soon. They need time to be nurtured into it on the main board.

I don't want him banned from the board though. I mean in only his third ever post he's arguing an absurd point and telling us how he won a purple heart in 'Nam, I don't want to overhype him but I think he could turn out to be the next Trainer Monkey.

Agreed, we have been given a second chance here, the potential reincarnation of Trainer Monkey.
I say we proceed cautiously with the grooming process...

[Kev]

Yeah, what's going on? We can't have newbies knowing how mental we are so soon. They need time to be nurtured into it on the main board.

I don't want him banned from the board though. I mean in only his third ever post he's arguing an absurd point and telling us how he won a purple heart in 'Nam, I don't want to overhype him but I think he could turn out to be the next Trainer Monkey.

Agreed, we have been given a second chance here, the potential reincarnation of Trainer Monkey.
I say we proceed cautiously with the grooming process...

Indeed, we had a world class boxing trainer, former punk star and caving expert slip through our fingers, we definitely don't want to lose a bina fide John Rambo style war hero and I'm guessing former stunt man, survival expert and cold war spy.

[ono]

Bilbo----tell us about the Irish...what are you and your courtymen doing to them in those 12 counties that want to break away? Tell us about your countries invasion of the Suez Canal when Nasser ruled Egypt. Your history is so full of oppression and aggression that it must be very noisy hearing the glass break around you. I bet you would have told Churchill to raise the white flag after Dunkirk. Would you allow students in your school to celebrate Hitlers birthday as a holiday? How did you justify holding India, China and other countries as "part of the emprie"? We kicked you and your kind out of this country...so like I said before...its OUR School in OUR country and we have the right to wear OUR flag...end of argument.

Brilliant. When you can't think of anything else to back your point up, throw out an 'end of' curveball.

[Oggie]

Yeah, what's going on? We can't have newbies knowing how mental we are so soon. They need time to be nurtured into it on the main board.

I don't want him banned from the board though. I mean in only his third ever post he's arguing an absurd point and telling us how he won a purple heart in 'Nam, I don't want to overhype him but I think he could turn out to be the next Trainer Monkey.

Agreed, we have been given a second chance here, the potential reincarnation of Trainer Monkey.
I say we proceed cautiously with the grooming process...

Indeed, we had a world class boxing trainer, former punk star and caving expert slip through our fingers, we definitely don't want to lose a bina fide John Rambo style war hero and I'm guessing former stunt man, survival expert and cold war spy.

Yeah, I hear he actually delivered and detonated napalm bombs in Nam...


















By hand.

[ono]

Maybe this is him

[Oggie]

Maybe this is him

Mitch Hedberg was a legend, beyond funny!

[Nameless]

The highest court in the land says you can make political statements at school as long as it doesn't interfere with other students learning. If there were Mexican kids out there that felt targeted by these kid's shirts (because even those arguing against the principal admit that these douches were targeting kids) then the principal was well within his rights.

You guys take civil liberties and run with it, how the hell would you feel if your son went to this school and the principal was more worried about not stepping on a couple bigot's toes then he was making sure everyone is getting out of school what they actually went there for? Lyle I expected to have the type of reply he did but by typing Stinko De Mayo he pretty much made my point for me. If some Mexican called July 4th something like that he would be up in arms talking about how white people are modern day black slaves.

Did they make biggot remark? Nope. They just wear the national emblem. Morally an legally, this is not wrong. If somebody feels offense by that, they are friggin too sensitive. that reminds me how i got kicked out of class by my french teacher in secondary 4 because I was wearing a Fighting Irish T-Shirt and it did look violent to her. Should I stop wearing it because it does offense her and because it hurts her abilities to give a class? Nope. I went to the director, he wasn't sure what to do (what a tool) but did let me wear the shirt if I would promise to not wear it too often. No joke.
You cannot proceed with your argument because otherwise, most clothes would be forbidden. if you would have a rockabilly shirt with the number 666 on it, some christian nuts could complain that it goes against the religion and that it blocks them to work correctly etc. There would be no limits if you go that way. These mexicans kids who are living in the State must be aware that they are in the State and they do have a problem if they can't stand the view of the flag of the country they live in. Same things for the French Canadians who are angry when the english Canadians are trumpeting the streets of Montreal with their Canadian Flag on a 24 of july, I never made case of it, stupid provocation for sure but if I react for it I am even dumber, especially as they aren't mistreating any of our icons.

[Nameless]

How does someone with 7 posts, who appears to be an alt, have access to this forum?

You're the mod, sort this.

I have no control over who can access what. I will pose the question to the powers that be.

He definitely sounds familiar.

The way he rants about something totally unrelated to the discussion in hand is similar to Trainer Monkey, but TM certainly was no pro war purple heart vietnam vet so it's not him. He quotes a lot of history with authority like Kirkland Laing might do, but Laing has never struck me as the type to have an alt so I'm not sure, but he is somebody I'm certain of that.

But admit.. you wouldn't be surprise if he would do so eh? He rant about so many different things on punkmusic forum, even stating once that he musically have had more influence than Pink Floyd somehow... I wouldn't be surprise by him receiving some kind of important medals for an uneventful action but super important in his own world.

[amat]

Lol Nameless how can you say my argument can't proceed when the principal already sided with me? Everything I said in that post is true, if I wore a shirt with the numbers 666 on it to my high school, I would have been asked to change it. Tinker Vs Des Moines, you made me look the fucken case up, that's the case that gives teachers and principals the right to make sure political statements don't interfere with the school's educational mission. That means it is the principal's JUDGEMENT. Don't tell me my argument can't proceed when you just keep regurgitating the same thing over and over.

[Nameless]

Lol Nameless how can you say my argument can't proceed when the principal already sided with me? Everything I said in that post is true, if I wore a shirt with the numbers 666 on it to my high school, I would have been asked to change it. Tinker Vs Des Moines, you made me look the fucken case up, that's the case that gives teachers and principals the right to make sure political statements don't interfere with the school's educational mission. That means it is the principal's JUDGEMENT. Don't tell me my argument can't proceed when you just keep regurgitating the same thing over and over.

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Lol Amat (back), did you read the human right charts and the Us amendment chart? Because you never answered my arguments? Because it's not because the principal enforces it that it is correct to do so? (you know the difference between enforcing something and being legal and moral doing so, right?) I did ask my friend Clayton who's an american lawyer (living in the UK now) what he did think about it and he said that if the parents sue the school, they are almost certain to win because ( in his words) it is not a private school with uniforms and because wearing the flag wasn't proscribed by any law and didn't constitute an offense. The guy did so but he had no good reasons at all (same argument that it hasn't been disrespectful neither did it represent an offense to the mexican culture). Missy did sums it pretty well: they should have the right to wear it all the time or never period. As it was not a school law that does forbid flag, the dude was plain wrong.

[amat]

Your friend Clayton is wrong. This isn't a human rights issue either, if kids felt threatened or singled out, JUST ONE KID, that's all the ammunition the principal needed. Unless this goes all the way to the supreme court and the law is interpreted differently then I am right. Seriously just stop, I'm just going to thank God you don't run any schools. Ask Clayton what precedent is, then tell him to look it up in this case. That is all. Seriously that is all. ONE KID, and you dont know what these kids were saying or doing, you just know the shirts they were wearing. It's obvious the statement they were trying to make, the dude was just trying to protect his students that's all. Can a mod ban me from this thread please? Seriously.


It's been established multiple times in court that students in school DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT, always have the same first amendment rights as others outside of school. This is FACT. I'm capitalizing because you seem to be ignoring this point. I know the amendments and I know a lot of my freedoms, I knew in high school I did NOT retain ALL of my freedoms. THIS IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED, your friend Clayton certainly should have picked this up at some point if I have right? If he didn't know this then he's for sure not the sharpest lawyer. Either way, I'm not going to go and do any reading you told me to do, it's ridiculous. I'm not going to sit here and do what you do and say "go read this before talking to me", I'm (foolishly) assuming you are caught up on this and I don't need to direct you to any reading. BUT IF YOU WISH, I can very easily look up the supreme court cases that prove my points to be right. You're a very bizarre man, I knew that, now I know you're stubborn even if you aren't necessarily educated on whatever it is you're taking about. This stuff gets my blood pressure boiling, don't be such a dick.

[ono]

Lol Nameless how can you say my argument can't proceed when the principal already sided with me? Everything I said in that post is true, if I wore a shirt with the numbers 666 on it to my high school, I would have been asked to change it. Tinker Vs Des Moines, you made me look the fucken case up, that's the case that gives teachers and principals the right to make sure political statements don't interfere with the school's educational mission. That means it is the principal's JUDGEMENT. Don't tell me my argument can't proceed when you just keep regurgitating the same thing over and over.

à

Lol Amat (back), did you read the human right charts and the Us amendment chart? Because you never answered my arguments? Because it's not because the principal enforces it that it is correct to do so? (you know the difference between enforcing something and being legal and moral doing so, right?) I did ask my friend Clayton who's an american lawyer (living in the UK now) what he did think about it and he said that if the parents sue the school, they are almost certain to win because ( in his words) it is not a private school with uniforms and because wearing the flag wasn't proscribed by any law and didn't constitute an offense. The guy did so but he had no good reasons at all (same argument that it hasn't been disrespectful neither did it represent an offense to the mexican culture). Missy did sums it pretty well: they should have the right to wear it all the time or never period. As it was not a school law that does forbid flag, the dude was plain wrong.

Ahh but the kids were breaking the US Flag Code by wearing the t-shirts anyway. So there.

[Gandalf]

Bit harsh, Amat. Nameless has been making some very good points in this thread. I find an argument always goes out the window when you call people names and start telling them that they are being 'a dick'.

As for Gray Lion, yes, let him stay. He might turn out to be very interesting.

[Kev]

Bit harsh, Amat. Nameless has been making some very good points in this thread. I find an argument always goes out the window when you call people names and start telling them that they are being 'a dick'.

As for Gray Lion, yes, let him stay. He might turn out to be very interesting.

Sadly I doubt he will have much time to post on here, being busy with saving the earth from evil threats so the rest of us can continue to post.

He's probably gearing up for another mission as we speak.