Hopkins-Calzaghe - A definitive debate. Fact.

[ono]

He couldn't face getting beat by a white boy.

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[Fenster]

He couldn't face getting beat by a white boy.

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It's a fact.

Hopkins showed how badly he feared the white man when proclaiming "i'll never let a white boy beat me"

Luckily for him the yeehaws served up "one two plod plod Kelly" to save face. Fact.

[Taeth]

It's an undeniable fact that in the year 2002 Hopkins turned down a huge career high payday of $3million to face Joe Calzaghe. He initially accepted the challenge before shamefully demanding $6 million to face Joe, knowing full well that $6 million ended the negotiations.

The question is - why did Hopkins duck Calzaghe?

Discuss

Where would the fight take place? I can't see Hopkins being scared of Calzaghe or Jones, but they had difficulties making negotiations despite the fact I doubt any of them were afraid of one another. Was Calzaghe willing to come to the states because if I recall I don't believe he was willing to prior to the Lacy and Kessler fights.

I don't see how the american is always criticized, and IMO a older Hopkins who had aged considerably physically over those years beat the younger Calzaghe in many people's point of view, mine included. Add the added stamina of a few years and the fact he was so much better technically and instinctively, and you have Hopkins working Calzaghe over as much as anyone would be able to against such a great fighter.

[Fenster]

It's an undeniable fact that in the year 2002 Hopkins turned down a huge career high payday of $3million to face Joe Calzaghe. He initially accepted the challenge before shamefully demanding $6 million to face Joe, knowing full well that $6 million ended the negotiations.

The question is - why did Hopkins duck Calzaghe?

Discuss

Where would the fight take place? I can't see Hopkins being scared of Calzaghe or Jones, but they had difficulties making negotiations despite the fact I doubt any of them were afraid of one another. Was Calzaghe willing to come to the states because if I recall I don't believe he was willing to prior to the Lacy and Kessler fights.

I don't see how the american is always criticized, and IMO a older Hopkins who had aged considerably physically over those years beat the younger Calzaghe in many people's point of view, mine included. Add the added stamina of a few years and the fact he was so much better technically and instinctively, and you have Hopkins working Calzaghe over as much as anyone would be able to against such a great fighter.

The deal was for the fight to be in the states (Hop leave the US - lol).

Hopkins turned down a career high payday of $3million to accept $250,000 paydays against Carl Daniels, Allen, Hakkar and the like.

[mattboxingfan]

He couldn't face getting beat by a white boy.

LOL

Joe wasn't as established back in 2002 so when B-Hop would have lost to him it wouldn't have done his cred any good. But still it just shows how much of a joke he is B-Hop wouldn't fight a champion unless he got paid a stupid amount which he knew would never happen thus making the fight fall through.

[skel1983]

It's an undeniable fact that in the year 2002 Hopkins turned down a huge career high payday of $3million to face Joe Calzaghe. He initially accepted the challenge before shamefully demanding $6 million to face Joe, knowing full well that $6 million ended the negotiations.

The question is - why did Hopkins duck Calzaghe?

Discuss

Where would the fight take place? I can't see Hopkins being scared of Calzaghe or Jones, but they had difficulties making negotiations despite the fact I doubt any of them were afraid of one another. Was Calzaghe willing to come to the states because if I recall I don't believe he was willing to prior to the Lacy and Kessler fights.

I don't see how the american is always criticized, and IMO a older Hopkins who had aged considerably physically over those years beat the younger Calzaghe in many people's point of view, mine included. Add the added stamina of a few years and the fact he was so much better technically and instinctively, and you have Hopkins working Calzaghe over as much as anyone would be able to against such a great fighter.

In the end if worked out a good move by Hopkins with what happened since but come on imagine Calzaghe was offered $3million to fight Hopkins in the States he would of swam there with Enzo and Frank Warren on his back.

[Master]

He was using Joe as a negotiation tool for getting a big money fight with ODH, he wound down his contract with Don King with meaningless fights. Hopkins was right not to fight Joe business wise.

[Taeth]

It's an undeniable fact that in the year 2002 Hopkins turned down a huge career high payday of $3million to face Joe Calzaghe. He initially accepted the challenge before shamefully demanding $6 million to face Joe, knowing full well that $6 million ended the negotiations.

The question is - why did Hopkins duck Calzaghe?

Discuss

Where would the fight take place? I can't see Hopkins being scared of Calzaghe or Jones, but they had difficulties making negotiations despite the fact I doubt any of them were afraid of one another. Was Calzaghe willing to come to the states because if I recall I don't believe he was willing to prior to the Lacy and Kessler fights.

I don't see how the american is always criticized, and IMO a older Hopkins who had aged considerably physically over those years beat the younger Calzaghe in many people's point of view, mine included. Add the added stamina of a few years and the fact he was so much better technically and instinctively, and you have Hopkins working Calzaghe over as much as anyone would be able to against such a great fighter.

The deal was for the fight to be in the states (Hop leave the US - lol).

Hopkins turned down a career high payday of $3million to accept $250,000 paydays against Carl Daniels, Allen, Hakkar and the like.

How is this possible when Calzaghe himself stated that he didn't want to travel to the states until post-Kessler?

[antimoron]

It's an undeniable fact that in the year 2002 Hopkins turned down a huge career high payday of $3million to face Joe Calzaghe. He initially accepted the challenge before shamefully demanding $6 million to face Joe, knowing full well that $6 million ended the negotiations.

The question is - why did Hopkins duck Calzaghe?

Discuss

Where would the fight take place? I can't see Hopkins being scared of Calzaghe or Jones, but they had difficulties making negotiations despite the fact I doubt any of them were afraid of one another. Was Calzaghe willing to come to the states because if I recall I don't believe he was willing to prior to the Lacy and Kessler fights.

I don't see how the american is always criticized, and IMO a older Hopkins who had aged considerably physically over those years beat the younger Calzaghe in many people's point of view, mine included. Add the added stamina of a few years and the fact he was so much better technically and instinctively, and you have Hopkins working Calzaghe over as much as anyone would be able to against such a great fighter.

The deal was for the fight to be in the states (Hop leave the US - lol).

Hopkins turned down a career high payday of $3million to accept $250,000 paydays against Carl Daniels, Allen, Hakkar and the like.

How is this possible when Calzaghe himself stated that he didn't want to travel to the states until post-Kessler?

2002 - Nard is trying to become undisputed MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION
2002 - Joe is trying to become longest reigning WBO SUPER MIDDLE WEIGHT CHAMPION

[No Contest]

It's an undeniable fact that in the year 2002 Hopkins turned down a huge career high payday of $3million to face Joe Calzaghe. He initially accepted the challenge before shamefully demanding $6 million to face Joe, knowing full well that $6 million ended the negotiations.

The question is - why did Hopkins duck Calzaghe?

Discuss

He knew Joe was coked up. Fact.

[amat]

Hopkins beat Calzaghe.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Hopkins beat Calzaghe.

Is that a fact?

And Teath, yes Hopkins was a lot fitter back in the day but Calzaghe also had a lot more power.

[BIG H]

Hopkins beat Calzaghe.

I just can't see that no matter how many times I watch it

[Master]

Hopkins beat Calzaghe.

I just can't see that no matter how many times I watch it

Neither can I, it is a myth of boxing like JMM ducking Naz.

[CFH]

Hopkins beat Calzaghe.

I just can't see that no matter how many times I watch it

I've watched it three times (I know, sadistic). When I saw it live, I was inclined to give Calzaghe a very close decision, so I can understand why the judges scored it the way they did. However, both times I rewatched the fight I had Hopkins winning an incredibly narrow decision. Calzaghe landed almost no meaningful punches throughout the entire fight. When Hopkins did nothing, Calzaghe's ineffective aggression was justification enough to win him the rounds. However, when Hopkins actually fought back he landed the cleaner, harder shots and IMO (obviously) was able to win at least 6 rounds. That, coupled with the extra point for the KD, won him the fight in my eyes.