Record Slating

[erics44]

If you really wanted to you could pick holes in any boxers record

One example ive read recently is a post that suggested Hatton only fought aging over the hill fighters and the post had a list of his victims who the poster seemed to think anyone could have beaten at that point in their carears

But are there any fighters with a solid record? when i say solid i dont neccessarily mean without loss just very hard to pick holes in

before the margarito fight i used to think Cotto had beaten anyone and everyone he had had the chance to fight, all at the top of their game. Im not saying the margarito fight changed my mind but Cotto hasnt really been the same since and doesnt really look top of the world as he once did

[Saddo]

good post... really you can pick holes in any record... saying that i would find it hard to pick any holes in Amir Khans record.

Manny Pac and Mayorga spring to mind when i think of fights who are/were willing to take on everyone.

[Dark Lord Al]

Its hard to pick holes in Kid Thunders record , there really is not need to , he is total shit period !!!!

[ono]

If you really wanted to you could pick holes in any boxers record

One example ive read recently is a post that suggested Hatton only fought aging over the hill fighters and the post had a list of his victims who the poster seemed to think anyone could have beaten at that point in their carears

But are there any fighters with a solid record? when i say solid i dont neccessarily mean without loss just very hard to pick holes in

before the margarito fight i used to think Cotto had beaten anyone and everyone he had had the chance to fight, all at the top of their game. Im not saying the margarito fight changed my mind but Cotto hasnt really been the same since and doesnt really look top of the world as he once did

Well let's break it down....

Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu, who had participated in just 1 bout, in getting on for 2 and a half years before he fought Hatton. Tyszu was 35 years old.

Hatton beat Castillo who was 33 years old. Was coming off a very poor showing against a very average Herman Ngoudjo. You could easily argue that Castillo's best years were behind him.

Hatton barely beat Luis Collazo. Collazo was the first quick handed, prime fighter Hatton had fought. He struggled badly, and some might even say Collazo was robbed. I had Hatton winning barely, but that was down to his work-rate. Collazo won some rounds big.

Hatton looked fairly poor against Urango, although he was ill. Hatton looked fairly poor against Lazcano, and was rocked a few times. The only time he's looked particularly good at world level against a prime fighter would be the Malignaggi fight, but even then that was a very poor one handed version of Malignaggi, who was in the care of Buddy McGirt (i've still never seen a McGirt fighter win a fight).

So whilst Hatton's resume suggests he only lost to two of the very best, when you actually look at his performances at World Class level, you realise he was merely a good fighter.

Like you say, you can pick holes in any fighter's record, but you should judge it on how easy it is to pick holes in their record. With Hatton it's fairly easy imo.

[skel1983]

If you really wanted to you could pick holes in any boxers record

One example ive read recently is a post that suggested Hatton only fought aging over the hill fighters and the post had a list of his victims who the poster seemed to think anyone could have beaten at that point in their carears

But are there any fighters with a solid record? when i say solid i dont neccessarily mean without loss just very hard to pick holes in

before the margarito fight i used to think Cotto had beaten anyone and everyone he had had the chance to fight, all at the top of their game. Im not saying the margarito fight changed my mind but Cotto hasnt really been the same since and doesnt really look top of the world as he once did

I don't understand what you mean there? You thought he had beaton everyone and anyone he had the chance to fight but after the Margo fight your not sure

What do you mean you thought he could beat anyone in and around the weight class at world level or what? Cotto is clearly a different fighter sine that defeat for sure.

[generalbulldog]

Hatton was a good fighter and he fought the best opposition at the time, unfortunately the 140 pound division has not been strong competition wise in history. There is a reason why so many great fighters like Whitaker, Pac, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Ray Robinson, Duran, Mosley just pass through the division with a fight here or there or entirely skips it, because historically Welterweight has been the place with the biggest fights and money purses below the HW division.

And for the record, Pryor and Tszyu imo also didn't have too many great names on their records at the division also, just like Hatton. Like I said, historically 140 pound division isn't that strong.

[erics44]

If you really wanted to you could pick holes in any boxers record

One example ive read recently is a post that suggested Hatton only fought aging over the hill fighters and the post had a list of his victims who the poster seemed to think anyone could have beaten at that point in their carears

But are there any fighters with a solid record? when i say solid i dont neccessarily mean without loss just very hard to pick holes in

before the margarito fight i used to think Cotto had beaten anyone and everyone he had had the chance to fight, all at the top of their game. Im not saying the margarito fight changed my mind but Cotto hasnt really been the same since and doesnt really look top of the world as he once did

I don't understand what you mean there? You thought he had beaton everyone and anyone he had the chance to fight but after the Margo fight your not sure

What do you mean you thought he could beat anyone in and around the weight class at world level or what? Cotto is clearly a different fighter sine that defeat for sure.

i just mean before the fight i thought he was fuckin fantastic, apart from a few wobbles here and there he had done everything asked with style - so in tune with the thread, it would be difficult to pick holes in his record

since the fight he doesnt seem to have performed anywhere near the level he did before and his record is a bit more "tarnished"

get me now?

[erics44]

I did realise that when i started this thread i was starting a Hattons crap thread

If i had of known I would have just posted on one of the many other threads with the same theme

[skel1983]

I did realise that when i started this thread i was starting a Hattons crap thread

If i had of known I would have just posted on one of the many other threads with the same theme

Mate what do you expect in reality? You used Hatton as an example, now persoally I think Hattons record is scrutinized a lot more because in his early career he did get a lot of fighters from Warren to make him look a lot better than he was, but Hatton had a great career and would give 90% of fighters a great fight.

The Cotto statement I see what your saying, I think Cotto is/was a world class fighter who was effected physically and mentally by the Margo fight and is not the same fighter still beats alot of world class fighters in and around 147, his record has been solid through out his career imo.

[BIG H]

I have said this so many times before about Hatton V Tszyu, but here goes again

Facts

1.) 35 is not old!!
2.) Been relatively inactive, does not make you 'Shot'
3.) His last fight was one of his best, i.e KOing Mitchell, in a fight he was hardly hit. So what happened in between that fight and the Hatton fight to make Tszyu shot?
4.) Tszyu had not been in any wars! (Tough fight against Philips)
5.) Tszyu had had less fights than Hatton

He just couldn't handle Hatton's style or workrate - Simples

[Fenster]

I have said this so many times before about Hatton V Tszyu, but here goes again

Facts

1.) 35 is not old!!
2.) Been relatively inactive, does not make you 'Shot'
3.) His last fight was one of his best, i.e KOing Mitchell, in a fight he was hardly hit. So what happened in between that fight and the Hatton fight to make Tszyu shot?
4.) Tszyu had not been in any wars! (Tough fight against Philips)
5.) Tszyu had had less fights than Hatton

He just couldn't handle Hatton's style or workrate - Simples

6.) Tszyu was ranked P4P no.3

[Mattyhitman]

If you really wanted to you could pick holes in any boxers record

One example ive read recently is a post that suggested Hatton only fought aging over the hill fighters and the post had a list of his victims who the poster seemed to think anyone could have beaten at that point in their carears

But are there any fighters with a solid record? when i say solid i dont neccessarily mean without loss just very hard to pick holes in

before the margarito fight i used to think Cotto had beaten anyone and everyone he had had the chance to fight, all at the top of their game. Im not saying the margarito fight changed my mind but Cotto hasnt really been the same since and doesnt really look top of the world as he once did

It could be a double edged question i guess - eg Hattons record is not bad, in fact its very good, for a pro boxer 45-2 (32ko's), whereas most seem to be debating his resume/ opponents faced, which to me, the is a difference between the two.

Now look at Oscar De La Hoya's record of 39-6 (30ko's) and you would argue Hatton's is better for a pro boxer. Now look at the resume and clearly Oscar's is by far the better - these are just 2 examples of 2 boxers i've followed and respect.

One could look through long lists of boxers records, and to be fair, the records dont really reflect the boxers true standing due to opponents faced.

Here's one to look at, Sven Ottke - great or not ? went through his whole career without a pro loss yet villified by many as a boxer not willing to travel in fear of a loss, and gifted many decisions ( in my opinion ) in his home country !!

[Fenster]

If you really wanted to you could pick holes in any boxers record

One example ive read recently is a post that suggested Hatton only fought aging over the hill fighters and the post had a list of his victims who the poster seemed to think anyone could have beaten at that point in their carears

But are there any fighters with a solid record? when i say solid i dont neccessarily mean without loss just very hard to pick holes in

before the margarito fight i used to think Cotto had beaten anyone and everyone he had had the chance to fight, all at the top of their game. Im not saying the margarito fight changed my mind but Cotto hasnt really been the same since and doesnt really look top of the world as he once did

Well let's break it down....

Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu, who had participated in just 1 bout, in getting on for 2 and a half years before he fought Hatton. Tyszu was 35 years old.

Hatton beat Castillo who was 33 years old. Was coming off a very poor showing against a very average Herman Ngoudjo. You could easily argue that Castillo's best years were behind him.

Hatton barely beat Luis Collazo. Collazo was the first quick handed, prime fighter Hatton had fought. He struggled badly, and some might even say Collazo was robbed. I had Hatton winning barely, but that was down to his work-rate. Collazo won some rounds big.

Hatton looked fairly poor against Urango, although he was ill. Hatton looked fairly poor against Lazcano, and was rocked a few times. The only time he's looked particularly good at world level against a prime fighter would be the Malignaggi fight, but even then that was a very poor one handed version of Malignaggi, who was in the care of Buddy McGirt (i've still never seen a McGirt fighter win a fight).

So whilst Hatton's resume suggests he only lost to two of the very best, when you actually look at his performances at World Class level, you realise he was merely a good fighter.

Like you say, you can pick holes in any fighter's record, but you should judge it on how easy it is to pick holes in their record. With Hatton it's fairly easy imo.

Merely a good fighter that was a lineal lightwelter champion, P4P top 10 ranked (on two seperate occasions) and honured with the fighter of the year award by both The Ring Magazine and the Boxing Writers Association of America.

Not bad for a "mere good" fighter.

[erics44]

Hatton was a good fighter and he fought the best opposition at the time, unfortunately the 140 pound division has not been strong competition wise in history. There is a reason why so many great fighters like Whitaker, Pac, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Ray Robinson, Duran, Mosley just pass through the division with a fight here or there or entirely skips it, because historically Welterweight has been the place with the biggest fights and money purses below the HW division.

And for the record, Pryor and Tszyu imo also didn't have too many great names on their records at the division also, just like Hatton. Like I said, historically 140 pound division isn't that strong.

just one comment on this daft post

for a time when hatton was at his peak in the LWW division it was considered to have a lot more depth than the WW division

[erics44]

I did realise that when i started this thread i was starting a Hattons crap thread

If i had of known I would have just posted on one of the many other threads with the same theme

Mate what do you expect in reality? You used Hatton as an example, now persoally I think Hattons record is scrutinized a lot more because in his early career he did get a lot of fighters from Warren to make him look a lot better than he was, but Hatton had a great career and would give 90% of fighters a great fight.

The Cotto statement I see what your saying, I think Cotto is/was a world class fighter who was effected physically and mentally by the Margo fight and is not the same fighter still beats alot of world class fighters in and around 147, his record has been solid through out his career imo.

dude you are right

i worded the thread all wrong and gave all the negativeness the chance to jump on the band waggon

and maybe i was a little harsh on cotto