Record Slating

[skel1983]

If you really wanted to you could pick holes in any boxers record

One example ive read recently is a post that suggested Hatton only fought aging over the hill fighters and the post had a list of his victims who the poster seemed to think anyone could have beaten at that point in their carears

But are there any fighters with a solid record? when i say solid i dont neccessarily mean without loss just very hard to pick holes in

before the margarito fight i used to think Cotto had beaten anyone and everyone he had had the chance to fight, all at the top of their game. Im not saying the margarito fight changed my mind but Cotto hasnt really been the same since and doesnt really look top of the world as he once did

I don't understand what you mean there? You thought he had beaton everyone and anyone he had the chance to fight but after the Margo fight your not sure

What do you mean you thought he could beat anyone in and around the weight class at world level or what? Cotto is clearly a different fighter sine that defeat for sure.

[generalbulldog]

Hatton was a good fighter and he fought the best opposition at the time, unfortunately the 140 pound division has not been strong competition wise in history. There is a reason why so many great fighters like Whitaker, Pac, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Ray Robinson, Duran, Mosley just pass through the division with a fight here or there or entirely skips it, because historically Welterweight has been the place with the biggest fights and money purses below the HW division.

And for the record, Pryor and Tszyu imo also didn't have too many great names on their records at the division also, just like Hatton. Like I said, historically 140 pound division isn't that strong.

[erics44]

Hatton was a good fighter and he fought the best opposition at the time, unfortunately the 140 pound division has not been strong competition wise in history. There is a reason why so many great fighters like Whitaker, Pac, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Ray Robinson, Duran, Mosley just pass through the division with a fight here or there or entirely skips it, because historically Welterweight has been the place with the biggest fights and money purses below the HW division.

And for the record, Pryor and Tszyu imo also didn't have too many great names on their records at the division also, just like Hatton. Like I said, historically 140 pound division isn't that strong.

just one comment on this daft post

for a time when hatton was at his peak in the LWW division it was considered to have a lot more depth than the WW division

[generalbulldog]

Hatton was a good fighter and he fought the best opposition at the time, unfortunately the 140 pound division has not been strong competition wise in history. There is a reason why so many great fighters like Whitaker, Pac, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Ray Robinson, Duran, Mosley just pass through the division with a fight here or there or entirely skips it, because historically Welterweight has been the place with the biggest fights and money purses below the HW division.

And for the record, Pryor and Tszyu imo also didn't have too many great names on their records at the division also, just like Hatton. Like I said, historically 140 pound division isn't that strong.

just one comment on this daft post

for a time when hatton was at his peak in the LWW division it was considered to have a lot more depth than the WW division

Whatever makes you happy bro. Learn to live in reality. I know Hatton fans have a hard time with this. See all the excuses on why Hatton lost to 2 of the greatest fighters of this era.

[erics44]

Hatton was a good fighter and he fought the best opposition at the time, unfortunately the 140 pound division has not been strong competition wise in history. There is a reason why so many great fighters like Whitaker, Pac, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Ray Robinson, Duran, Mosley just pass through the division with a fight here or there or entirely skips it, because historically Welterweight has been the place with the biggest fights and money purses below the HW division.

And for the record, Pryor and Tszyu imo also didn't have too many great names on their records at the division also, just like Hatton. Like I said, historically 140 pound division isn't that strong.

just one comment on this daft post

for a time when hatton was at his peak in the LWW division it was considered to have a lot more depth than the WW division

Whatever makes you happy bro. Learn to live in reality. I know Hatton fans have a hard time with this. See all the excuses on why Hatton lost to 2 of the greatest fighters of this era.

ha, you disagree?

you are either too young and wasnt around in that period or stoopid

its probly the second

[skel1983]

Hatton was a good fighter and he fought the best opposition at the time, unfortunately the 140 pound division has not been strong competition wise in history. There is a reason why so many great fighters like Whitaker, Pac, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Ray Robinson, Duran, Mosley just pass through the division with a fight here or there or entirely skips it, because historically Welterweight has been the place with the biggest fights and money purses below the HW division.

And for the record, Pryor and Tszyu imo also didn't have too many great names on their records at the division also, just like Hatton. Like I said, historically 140 pound division isn't that strong.

just one comment on this daft post

for a time when hatton was at his peak in the LWW division it was considered to have a lot more depth than the WW division

Whatever makes you happy bro. Learn to live in reality. I know Hatton fans have a hard time with this. See all the excuses on why Hatton lost to 2 of the greatest fighters of this era.

ha, you disagree?

you are either too young and wasnt around in that period or stoopid

its probly the second

To be fair Eric when Hatton took the number 1 mantle up it was hot, but then everyone left or Hatton didn't fight any of the other 140 fighters that made it a hot division, his fault or not but most of Hatton's run at 140 Junior Witter was number fucking two

[erics44]

Hatton was a good fighter and he fought the best opposition at the time, unfortunately the 140 pound division has not been strong competition wise in history. There is a reason why so many great fighters like Whitaker, Pac, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Ray Robinson, Duran, Mosley just pass through the division with a fight here or there or entirely skips it, because historically Welterweight has been the place with the biggest fights and money purses below the HW division.

And for the record, Pryor and Tszyu imo also didn't have too many great names on their records at the division also, just like Hatton. Like I said, historically 140 pound division isn't that strong.

just one comment on this daft post

for a time when hatton was at his peak in the LWW division it was considered to have a lot more depth than the WW division

Whatever makes you happy bro. Learn to live in reality. I know Hatton fans have a hard time with this. See all the excuses on why Hatton lost to 2 of the greatest fighters of this era.

ha, you disagree?

you are either too young and wasnt around in that period or stoopid

its probly the second

To be fair Eric when Hatton took the number 1 mantle up it was hot, but then everyone left or Hatton didn't fight any of the other 140 fighters that made it a hot division, his fault or not but most of Hatton's run at 140 Junior Witter was number fucking two

a lot of fighters left the division yes

but as i said, for a time when hatton was at his peak the light welterweight division was much stronger than the welterweight division, and that is a fact (not a fenster fact tho because his facts generally arent facts)

and no hatton didnt fight any of the big names, but we are talking about the ridiculous notion that fighters always skip the division

its probably strionger than welterweight now is it not?

[generalbulldog]

Hatton was a good fighter and he fought the best opposition at the time, unfortunately the 140 pound division has not been strong competition wise in history. There is a reason why so many great fighters like Whitaker, Pac, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Ray Robinson, Duran, Mosley just pass through the division with a fight here or there or entirely skips it, because historically Welterweight has been the place with the biggest fights and money purses below the HW division.

And for the record, Pryor and Tszyu imo also didn't have too many great names on their records at the division also, just like Hatton. Like I said, historically 140 pound division isn't that strong.

just one comment on this daft post

for a time when hatton was at his peak in the LWW division it was considered to have a lot more depth than the WW division

Whatever makes you happy bro. Learn to live in reality. I know Hatton fans have a hard time with this. See all the excuses on why Hatton lost to 2 of the greatest fighters of this era.

ha, you disagree?

you are either too young and wasnt around in that period or stoopid

its probly the second

To be fair Eric when Hatton took the number 1 mantle up it was hot, but then everyone left or Hatton didn't fight any of the other 140 fighters that made it a hot division, his fault or not but most of Hatton's run at 140 Junior Witter was number fucking two

That's right, it was only hot for a moment and then Floyd and Cotto (the 2 biggest names at 140) went up to 147. And at 147 you had Floyd, Cotto, Margarito, Judah, Williams, Clottey, CIntron, etc.

Much better than Hatton, Malignaggi, Castillo, Witter, Harris, Corley, Ndou, etc.

Ring ratings for 2006. http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2006

Ring Ratings for 2007. http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2007

Ring Ratings for 2008. http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2008

So when Hatton reigned it was only hot for a moment, and then the other 3 years he reigned it was so much inferior talent wise to 147. As I've said 147 has been historically the strongest division below HW, and throughout boxing history it has given the most biggest fights below HW. Fact.

[erics44]

If you really wanted to you could pick holes in any boxers record

One example ive read recently is a post that suggested Hatton only fought aging over the hill fighters and the post had a list of his victims who the poster seemed to think anyone could have beaten at that point in their carears

But are there any fighters with a solid record? when i say solid i dont neccessarily mean without loss just very hard to pick holes in

before the margarito fight i used to think Cotto had beaten anyone and everyone he had had the chance to fight, all at the top of their game. Im not saying the margarito fight changed my mind but Cotto hasnt really been the same since and doesnt really look top of the world as he once did

I don't understand what you mean there? You thought he had beaton everyone and anyone he had the chance to fight but after the Margo fight your not sure

What do you mean you thought he could beat anyone in and around the weight class at world level or what? Cotto is clearly a different fighter sine that defeat for sure.

i just mean before the fight i thought he was fuckin fantastic, apart from a few wobbles here and there he had done everything asked with style - so in tune with the thread, it would be difficult to pick holes in his record

since the fight he doesnt seem to have performed anywhere near the level he did before and his record is a bit more "tarnished"

get me now?

[erics44]

I did realise that when i started this thread i was starting a Hattons crap thread

If i had of known I would have just posted on one of the many other threads with the same theme

[skel1983]

I did realise that when i started this thread i was starting a Hattons crap thread

If i had of known I would have just posted on one of the many other threads with the same theme

Mate what do you expect in reality? You used Hatton as an example, now persoally I think Hattons record is scrutinized a lot more because in his early career he did get a lot of fighters from Warren to make him look a lot better than he was, but Hatton had a great career and would give 90% of fighters a great fight.

The Cotto statement I see what your saying, I think Cotto is/was a world class fighter who was effected physically and mentally by the Margo fight and is not the same fighter still beats alot of world class fighters in and around 147, his record has been solid through out his career imo.

[erics44]

I did realise that when i started this thread i was starting a Hattons crap thread

If i had of known I would have just posted on one of the many other threads with the same theme

Mate what do you expect in reality? You used Hatton as an example, now persoally I think Hattons record is scrutinized a lot more because in his early career he did get a lot of fighters from Warren to make him look a lot better than he was, but Hatton had a great career and would give 90% of fighters a great fight.

The Cotto statement I see what your saying, I think Cotto is/was a world class fighter who was effected physically and mentally by the Margo fight and is not the same fighter still beats alot of world class fighters in and around 147, his record has been solid through out his career imo.

dude you are right

i worded the thread all wrong and gave all the negativeness the chance to jump on the band waggon

and maybe i was a little harsh on cotto

[BIG H]

I have said this so many times before about Hatton V Tszyu, but here goes again

Facts

1.) 35 is not old!!
2.) Been relatively inactive, does not make you 'Shot'
3.) His last fight was one of his best, i.e KOing Mitchell, in a fight he was hardly hit. So what happened in between that fight and the Hatton fight to make Tszyu shot?
4.) Tszyu had not been in any wars! (Tough fight against Philips)
5.) Tszyu had had less fights than Hatton

He just couldn't handle Hatton's style or workrate - Simples

[Fenster]

I have said this so many times before about Hatton V Tszyu, but here goes again

Facts

1.) 35 is not old!!
2.) Been relatively inactive, does not make you 'Shot'
3.) His last fight was one of his best, i.e KOing Mitchell, in a fight he was hardly hit. So what happened in between that fight and the Hatton fight to make Tszyu shot?
4.) Tszyu had not been in any wars! (Tough fight against Philips)
5.) Tszyu had had less fights than Hatton

He just couldn't handle Hatton's style or workrate - Simples

6.) Tszyu was ranked P4P no.3