Jonhson v Green is on super six November 6th

[skel1983]

I actually think Johnson will make the semi's he will beat Green for me if he has no trouble making weight, he does always come in way lower then the 175 lb limit when fighting at Light Heavyweight, but if he takes Kesslers points he has great chance of making the semis.

[skel1983]

Edit that, not to sure if Johnson gets Kessler's points. I think Showtime are bringing in someone who they no for sure Green can't ko meaning he has no shot at getting to the Semi's.

The thing is if the last three fights go as most would think or what are the most likely outcomes. I.E Ward beats Dirrell Abraham beats Froch ( to be honest it won't matter what the result between AA and Froch if Ward wins ) the semi's will be the same fights again


Ward v Dirrell
AA v Froch

This event has become silly so if Green doesnt knock Johnson out and Ward beats Dirrell the semi final line up's will be exactly the same fights again?

[Fenster]

What a farce.

I think Johnson and Green are both promoted by DiBella? Adding the super six tag to this fight gives it a bit of pizzazz. Smart move.

[Rantcatrat]

Edit that, not to sure if Johnson gets Kessler's points. I think Showtime are bringing in someone who they no for sure Green can't ko meaning he has no shot at getting to the Semi's.

The thing is if the last three fights go as most would think or what are the most likely outcomes. I.E Ward beats Dirrell Abraham beats Froch ( to be honest it won't matter what the result between AA and Froch if Ward wins ) the semi's will be the same fights again


Ward v Dirrell
AA v Froch

This event has become silly so if Green doesnt knock Johnson out and Ward beats Dirrell the semi final line up's will be exactly the same fights again?

You assume that Johnson won't knock Green out - a highly possible outcome - and if he does that puts Dirrell out of the tournament because the current standing are:

Ward - 4
Abraham - 3
Froch - 2
Dirrell - 2
Green - 0
Johnson - 0

I'll agree it seems very unlikely that Green KO's Johnson. However, if Johnson KO's Green, he has three points putting him in third place in the standings. Froch gets in because he beat Dirrell. To me a semi-finals that includes Johnson, Ward, Abraham, and Froch sounds pretty damn solid. At least three of those fighters are almost always in fan-friendly fights.

[skel1983]

You no what Rant you are right bro, never even thought of that there is a good chance Johnson stopping Green for sure, imagine Johnson v Froch

[Fenster]

For Johnson to be in the semi's with just one win over Green is beyond pathetic. If the powers that be don't really want Johnson to progress then Ward-Dirrell will be made a draw. Bet on it.

[Rantcatrat]

For Johnson to be in the semi's with just one win over Green is beyond pathetic. If the powers that be don't really want Johnson to progress then Ward-Dirrell will be made a draw. Bet on it.

Uhmm and Dirrell should be in the semi-finals with one DQ win over Abraham? Froch with his unimpressive win over Dirrell?

[Rantcatrat]

For Johnson to be in the semi's with just one win over Green is beyond pathetic. If the powers that be don't really want Johnson to progress then Ward-Dirrell will be made a draw. Bet on it.

Uhmm and Dirrell should be in the semi-finals with one DQ win over Abraham? Froch with his unimpressive win over Dirrell?

Oh and Green v. Johnson is the opening bout on the Juanma v. Marquez card. That's pretty solid.

[skel1983]

For Johnson to be in the semi's with just one win over Green is beyond pathetic. If the powers that be don't really want Johnson to progress then Ward-Dirrell will be made a draw. Bet on it.

Uhmm and Dirrell should be in the semi-finals with one DQ win over Abraham? Froch with his unimpressive win over Dirrell?

I can see what your both saying but Fenster is right really, Green in truth has beat nobody and should never have been in this event in the first place Bika would of sparked him, but this is how it's ended up I suppose and I wouldn't mind the road warrior in there mixing it up.

[Fenster]

For Johnson to be in the semi's with just one win over Green is beyond pathetic. If the powers that be don't really want Johnson to progress then Ward-Dirrell will be made a draw. Bet on it.

Uhmm and Dirrell should be in the semi-finals with one DQ win over Abraham? Froch with his unimpressive win over Dirrell?

Dirrell fights Froch, Abraham and Ward - three of the best supermiddles in the world.

Johnson fights Green - a replacement, borderline journeyman not even ranked in the worlds top 10.

You believe that is fair?

[Rantcatrat]

For Johnson to be in the semi's with just one win over Green is beyond pathetic. If the powers that be don't really want Johnson to progress then Ward-Dirrell will be made a draw. Bet on it.

Uhmm and Dirrell should be in the semi-finals with one DQ win over Abraham? Froch with his unimpressive win over Dirrell?

I can see what your both saying but Fenster is right really, Green in truth has beat nobody and should never have been in this event in the first place Bika would of sparked him, but this is how it's ended up I suppose and I wouldn't mind the road warrior in there mixing it up.

See I agree Skel to the extent that Froch, Abraham, and Kessler had more polished resumes than Green did entering the tournament. However, Taylor was coming off big knockout losses to Pavlik and Froch and was really there because he has a big name. It was only a matter of time until he was eliminated. Let's be honest - Dirrell hadn't faced anyone better than Green.

[Rantcatrat]

For Johnson to be in the semi's with just one win over Green is beyond pathetic. If the powers that be don't really want Johnson to progress then Ward-Dirrell will be made a draw. Bet on it.

Uhmm and Dirrell should be in the semi-finals with one DQ win over Abraham? Froch with his unimpressive win over Dirrell?

Dirrell fights Froch, Abraham and Ward - three of the best supermiddles in the world.

Johnson fights Green - a replacement, borderline journeyman not even ranked in the worlds top 10.

You believe that is fair?

Let's take a closer look at Andre Dirrell. It's not like he had a string of solid wins going into the tournament or some great resume. Well, unless you consider Victor Oganov a good win . In fact, his best true win is probably over Curtis Stevens . In fact, his resume is quite on par with Allan Green's. Pre-tournament, Green's may be a tad better actually.

As for his showing in the tournament, I haven't liked it one bit. His fight against Froch was horrible viewing because Dirrell fought scared. And Froch is a guy who generally is a lot of fun to watch. Every other big fight Froch has been in has been a barn burner. See the Taylor, Kessler and Pascal fights. Yet, Dirrell fights Froch and stinks out the joint. Moreover, his only win in the tournament was debatable. It wasn't even a true W, it was a DQ W. Lastly, he has a chance to redeem himself and answering his critics by beating Ward.

Johnson's last three matches have been against Chad Dawson, Yusaf Mack, and Tavoris Cloud. Anyone of those names would be the best names of Dirrell's resume by a long shot. Not to mention, he always brings the fight. I mean imagine a fight between Froch and Johnson. Are you telling me that wouldn't be more fun to watch than Froch's fight with Dirrell?

So no Fenster, I ain't mad at Dirrell's elimination at all.

[Fenster]

That has nothing to do with it. Dirrell has fought the guys allotted to him - all among the very best in the world. Johnson was NEVER even part of the super six until this week. He gets the WORST fighter in the comp and should he win goes into the semi's? That is complete and utter bullshit.

Taylor was one of the favourites to win the whole competition, the majority of this forum picked him to beat Abraham. Ward beat Miranda easily whereas Green was beaten easily - stinking the joint out in the process. Dirrell was unbeaten.

Green was a rubbish addition that brought nothing to this comp. The only reason he got in is because Lou Dibella was his and Taylor's promoter.

[Gandalf]

What a farce.

I think Johnson and Green are both promoted by DiBella? Adding the super six tag to this fight gives it a bit of pizzazz. Smart move.

Agreed, What a crock of shit.

Just move it to the semi's already. Green and Johnson are not relevant.

[Rantcatrat]

That has nothing to do with it. Dirrell has fought the guys allotted to him - all among the very best in the world. Johnson was NEVER even part of the super six until this week. He gets the WORST fighter in the comp and should he win goes into the semi's? That is complete and utter bullshit.

Taylor was one of the favourites to win the whole competition, the majority of this forum picked him to beat Abraham. Ward beat Miranda easily whereas Green was beaten easily - stinking the joint out in the process. Dirrell was unbeaten.

Green was a rubbish addition that brought nothing to this comp. The only reason he got in is because Lou Dibella was Taylor's promoter.

The only reason I'm arguing this point is that I have no real interest in seeing Dirrell make it to the semi's. Of course, I'll be the first to agree he should be there if he beats Ward though.

First facts straight, only a KO win gets Johnson or Green into the semi-finals.

Second, Abraham is relying on his 3 points from his KO of the worst fighter entering the tournament to make it to the next round - Taylor actually retired after that fight. I'm sorry I was not among those who thought Taylor would beat Abraham. And to say he was a favorite is ludicrous. Kessler was by far and away the favorite and Abraham was thought to be the runner up. I would venture to say next was Froch and then Ward. Taylor was the weakest link. He was only included for name value. How could he have been the favorite after Froch, a competitor in the tournament, knocked him out previously? That's nonsensical.

Third, what has Dirrell done with his chances he's been given to advance and to build his reputation from this tournament? Seriously. Name something...oh wait, I get your point, he actually showed up to those fights. I guess in a weird way that is something.

Fourth, would you rather see Dirrell or Johnson fight Froch/Abraham in the next round?

Fifth, explain to me how Green was a worse inclusion than Dirrell? Because Dirrell was undefeated? Really? Come on, man. There really isn't anything different between Dirrell and Green's resume.

My point basically is that at this point Dirrell is unquestionably the least desirable person of the remaining original four. There was always going to be tiers to the competition. Without Bute, it was unavoidable. If there is going to be a bottom tier, I'd prefer to see a fight with Glen Johnson than Andre Dirrell.

Lastly, this fight is in one month. November 6th. It doesn't put off th rest of the tournament very much.