Jonhson v Green is on super six November 6th

[Fenster]

For Johnson to be in the semi's with just one win over Green is beyond pathetic. If the powers that be don't really want Johnson to progress then Ward-Dirrell will be made a draw. Bet on it.

[Rantcatrat]

For Johnson to be in the semi's with just one win over Green is beyond pathetic. If the powers that be don't really want Johnson to progress then Ward-Dirrell will be made a draw. Bet on it.

Uhmm and Dirrell should be in the semi-finals with one DQ win over Abraham? Froch with his unimpressive win over Dirrell?

[Rantcatrat]

For Johnson to be in the semi's with just one win over Green is beyond pathetic. If the powers that be don't really want Johnson to progress then Ward-Dirrell will be made a draw. Bet on it.

Uhmm and Dirrell should be in the semi-finals with one DQ win over Abraham? Froch with his unimpressive win over Dirrell?

Oh and Green v. Johnson is the opening bout on the Juanma v. Marquez card. That's pretty solid.

[skel1983]

For Johnson to be in the semi's with just one win over Green is beyond pathetic. If the powers that be don't really want Johnson to progress then Ward-Dirrell will be made a draw. Bet on it.

Uhmm and Dirrell should be in the semi-finals with one DQ win over Abraham? Froch with his unimpressive win over Dirrell?

I can see what your both saying but Fenster is right really, Green in truth has beat nobody and should never have been in this event in the first place Bika would of sparked him, but this is how it's ended up I suppose and I wouldn't mind the road warrior in there mixing it up.

[Rantcatrat]

For Johnson to be in the semi's with just one win over Green is beyond pathetic. If the powers that be don't really want Johnson to progress then Ward-Dirrell will be made a draw. Bet on it.

Uhmm and Dirrell should be in the semi-finals with one DQ win over Abraham? Froch with his unimpressive win over Dirrell?

I can see what your both saying but Fenster is right really, Green in truth has beat nobody and should never have been in this event in the first place Bika would of sparked him, but this is how it's ended up I suppose and I wouldn't mind the road warrior in there mixing it up.

See I agree Skel to the extent that Froch, Abraham, and Kessler had more polished resumes than Green did entering the tournament. However, Taylor was coming off big knockout losses to Pavlik and Froch and was really there because he has a big name. It was only a matter of time until he was eliminated. Let's be honest - Dirrell hadn't faced anyone better than Green.

[Fenster]

That has nothing to do with it. Dirrell has fought the guys allotted to him - all among the very best in the world. Johnson was NEVER even part of the super six until this week. He gets the WORST fighter in the comp and should he win goes into the semi's? That is complete and utter bullshit.

Taylor was one of the favourites to win the whole competition, the majority of this forum picked him to beat Abraham. Ward beat Miranda easily whereas Green was beaten easily - stinking the joint out in the process. Dirrell was unbeaten.

Green was a rubbish addition that brought nothing to this comp. The only reason he got in is because Lou Dibella was his and Taylor's promoter.

[Rantcatrat]

That has nothing to do with it. Dirrell has fought the guys allotted to him - all among the very best in the world. Johnson was NEVER even part of the super six until this week. He gets the WORST fighter in the comp and should he win goes into the semi's? That is complete and utter bullshit.

Taylor was one of the favourites to win the whole competition, the majority of this forum picked him to beat Abraham. Ward beat Miranda easily whereas Green was beaten easily - stinking the joint out in the process. Dirrell was unbeaten.

Green was a rubbish addition that brought nothing to this comp. The only reason he got in is because Lou Dibella was Taylor's promoter.

The only reason I'm arguing this point is that I have no real interest in seeing Dirrell make it to the semi's. Of course, I'll be the first to agree he should be there if he beats Ward though.

First facts straight, only a KO win gets Johnson or Green into the semi-finals.

Second, Abraham is relying on his 3 points from his KO of the worst fighter entering the tournament to make it to the next round - Taylor actually retired after that fight. I'm sorry I was not among those who thought Taylor would beat Abraham. And to say he was a favorite is ludicrous. Kessler was by far and away the favorite and Abraham was thought to be the runner up. I would venture to say next was Froch and then Ward. Taylor was the weakest link. He was only included for name value. How could he have been the favorite after Froch, a competitor in the tournament, knocked him out previously? That's nonsensical.

Third, what has Dirrell done with his chances he's been given to advance and to build his reputation from this tournament? Seriously. Name something...oh wait, I get your point, he actually showed up to those fights. I guess in a weird way that is something.

Fourth, would you rather see Dirrell or Johnson fight Froch/Abraham in the next round?

Fifth, explain to me how Green was a worse inclusion than Dirrell? Because Dirrell was undefeated? Really? Come on, man. There really isn't anything different between Dirrell and Green's resume.

My point basically is that at this point Dirrell is unquestionably the least desirable person of the remaining original four. There was always going to be tiers to the competition. Without Bute, it was unavoidable. If there is going to be a bottom tier, I'd prefer to see a fight with Glen Johnson than Andre Dirrell.

Lastly, this fight is in one month. November 6th. It doesn't put off th rest of the tournament very much.

[skel1983]

That has nothing to do with it. Dirrell has fought the guys allotted to him - all among the very best in the world. Johnson was NEVER even part of the super six until this week. He gets the WORST fighter in the comp and should he win goes into the semi's? That is complete and utter bullshit.

Taylor was one of the favourites to win the whole competition, the majority of this forum picked him to beat Abraham. Ward beat Miranda easily whereas Green was beaten easily - stinking the joint out in the process. Dirrell was unbeaten.

Green was a rubbish addition that brought nothing to this comp. The only reason he got in is because Lou Dibella was Taylor's promoter.

The only reason I'm arguing this point is that I have no real interest in seeing Dirrell make it to the semi's. Of course, I'll be the first to agree he should be there if he beats Ward though.

First facts straight, only a KO win gets Johnson or Green into the semi-finals.

Second, Abraham is relying on his 3 points from his KO of the worst fighter entering the tournament to make it to the next round - he actually retired after that fight. I'm sorry I was not among those who thought Taylor would beat Abraham. And to say he was a favorite is ludicrous. Kessler was by far and away the favorite and Abraham was thought to be the runner up. I would venture to say next was Froch and then Ward. Taylor was the weakest link. He was only included for name value. How could he have been the favorite after Froch, a competitor in the tournament, knocked him out previously? That's nonsensical.

Third, what has Dirrell done with his chances to advance? Seriously. Name something...oh wait, I get your point, he actually showed up to those fights. I guess in a weird way that is something.

Fourth, would you rather see Dirrell or Johnson fight Froch/Abraham in the next round?

Fifth, explain to me how Green was a worse inclusion than Dirrell? Because Dirrell was undefeated? Really? Come on, man. There really isn't anything different between Dirrell and Green's resume.

Rant you serious? Mate even at the start of this when Dirrell had not fought anyone, Green had already been exposed by shite banger Miranda, but we now have the luxury of seeing how this event has gone, and I think at least 60/70% of the boxing public would put Dirrells fight with Froch down as robbery of the year last year ( he held his own in there either way with the WBC Champ at the time )

He then won a disputed DQ against AA, who was coming on strong but Dirrell was ahead comfrotably on all cards, now Dirrell has shown he is world class and can hang with the top boys of the division.

Green on the other hand has fought a fringe top ten fighter ( Miranda ) and lost then stepped it up in this event and put on the worst perfromance of 2010 so far for me against Ward, so his two showings at world level have shown he is utter shite and should not of been in this event. Dirrell got in this on the back of hype and an unbeaton record and so far has justified his inclusion, maybe not on style ( not to everyones liking ) but has poved he belongs at world level. Green has shown he belongs headlining espn Wednesday fight nights in some school gym.

I think that is what Fenster is getting at and now Johnson has an unfair advantage of coming in and fighting one fight and the worst fighter by some distance in most peoples book with the chance of making the semi finals?

While everyone else have had to fight three fights against solid opponents, again I agree with Fenster and if I was the likes of Froch,AA and Dirrell I would be kicking up a fuss about this.

[Fenster]

That has nothing to do with it. Dirrell has fought the guys allotted to him - all among the very best in the world. Johnson was NEVER even part of the super six until this week. He gets the WORST fighter in the comp and should he win goes into the semi's? That is complete and utter bullshit.

Taylor was one of the favourites to win the whole competition, the majority of this forum picked him to beat Abraham. Ward beat Miranda easily whereas Green was beaten easily - stinking the joint out in the process. Dirrell was unbeaten.

Green was a rubbish addition that brought nothing to this comp. The only reason he got in is because Lou Dibella was Taylor's promoter.

The only reason I'm arguing this point is that I have no real interest in seeing Dirrell make it to the semi's. Of course, I'll be the first to agree he should be there if he beats Ward though.

First facts straight, only a KO win gets Johnson or Green into the semi-finals.

Second, Abraham is relying on his 3 points from his KO of the worst fighter entering the tournament to make it to the next round - he actually retired after that fight. I'm sorry I was not among those who thought Taylor would beat Abraham. And to say he was a favorite is ludicrous. Kessler was by far and away the favorite and Abraham was thought to be the runner up. I would venture to say next was Froch and then Ward. Taylor was the weakest link. He was only included for name value. How could he have been the favorite after Froch, a competitor in the tournament, knocked him out previously? That's nonsensical.

Third, what has Dirrell done with his chances to advance? Seriously. Name something...oh wait, I get your point, he actually showed up to those fights. I guess in a weird way that is something.

Fourth, would you rather see Dirrell or Johnson fight Froch/Abraham in the next round?

Fifth, explain to me how Green was a worse inclusion than Dirrell? Because Dirrell was undefeated? Really? Come on, man. There really isn't anything different between Dirrell and Green's resume.

I never said Taylor was THE favourite. I said one of the favourites. That's a fact. Ward and Dirrell were both double figure priced outsiders. That's another fact. Super Six boxing odds: Carl Froch confident of defeating Andre Dirrell

MANY dismissed Froch's late KO over Taylor as a fluke - hence Taylor starting the competition highly favoured. Fact. MANY on this site had him beating Abraham. Fact. http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ournament.html

I don't care if Dirrell has stunk the place out. I don't care if he loses every fight. The fact is he has fought light-years stronger competition than Johnson or Green in the Super Six. So for two replacements to be able to leap frog him in one fight is a complete disgrace. Fact.

[Fenster]

For Johnson to be in the semi's with just one win over Green is beyond pathetic. If the powers that be don't really want Johnson to progress then Ward-Dirrell will be made a draw. Bet on it.

Uhmm and Dirrell should be in the semi-finals with one DQ win over Abraham? Froch with his unimpressive win over Dirrell?

Dirrell fights Froch, Abraham and Ward - three of the best supermiddles in the world.

Johnson fights Green - a replacement, borderline journeyman not even ranked in the worlds top 10.

You believe that is fair?

[Rantcatrat]

For Johnson to be in the semi's with just one win over Green is beyond pathetic. If the powers that be don't really want Johnson to progress then Ward-Dirrell will be made a draw. Bet on it.

Uhmm and Dirrell should be in the semi-finals with one DQ win over Abraham? Froch with his unimpressive win over Dirrell?

Dirrell fights Froch, Abraham and Ward - three of the best supermiddles in the world.

Johnson fights Green - a replacement, borderline journeyman not even ranked in the worlds top 10.

You believe that is fair?

Let's take a closer look at Andre Dirrell. It's not like he had a string of solid wins going into the tournament or some great resume. Well, unless you consider Victor Oganov a good win . In fact, his best true win is probably over Curtis Stevens . In fact, his resume is quite on par with Allan Green's. Pre-tournament, Green's may be a tad better actually.

As for his showing in the tournament, I haven't liked it one bit. His fight against Froch was horrible viewing because Dirrell fought scared. And Froch is a guy who generally is a lot of fun to watch. Every other big fight Froch has been in has been a barn burner. See the Taylor, Kessler and Pascal fights. Yet, Dirrell fights Froch and stinks out the joint. Moreover, his only win in the tournament was debatable. It wasn't even a true W, it was a DQ W. Lastly, he has a chance to redeem himself and answering his critics by beating Ward.

Johnson's last three matches have been against Chad Dawson, Yusaf Mack, and Tavoris Cloud. Anyone of those names would be the best names of Dirrell's resume by a long shot. Not to mention, he always brings the fight. I mean imagine a fight between Froch and Johnson. Are you telling me that wouldn't be more fun to watch than Froch's fight with Dirrell?

So no Fenster, I ain't mad at Dirrell's elimination at all.