Pac-Marg TALE OF THE TAPE

[Conrad]

I see this being harder for Manny than many are thinking. Margarito is big, durable and throws a god awful lot of punches. Manny has never been in with anything like this before. Hatton- JWW. Cotto-WW who doesn't throw that much. Margarito at 151- a nasty bugger who wasn't known for his punching power, but as someone who digs in and comes on late. Someone who can throw more punches than Manny, if he is ready.

I think maybe this will be Manny's first tough fight at the higher weights and though Margarito doesn't deserve the payday, it will be a very interesting fight.

I´m totally with Miles on this one, from the start I´ve had a bad feeling about Pacman winning. People seem to forget that only a couple years ago everyone on here though Marg could have a chance against PBF. He´s a LOT bigger than Pacquiao, just look at the reach difference, not to mention he´s got a pretty solid chin.

I´ll be rooting for Pac obviously but Í´m having a wager on AM beeting him just to soften the blow should pac lose

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PSL,

unlike yourself who has only been a boxing fan since pacquiao came unto the scene, i know that anything can happen in the sport of boxing. and yes, i am confident that margarito can win but i also know pacquiao is an equally dangerous fighter. as far as making predictions, i will hardly ever make a prediction on a fight because unlike pacquiao's fans, who sometimes get sexually aroused whenever pacquiao knocks down a SPARRING partner, i know all it takes is one punch to turn a fight around. another thing, most pacquiao fans have very little knowledge of boxing. here's an example. just because A beats B, and C beats A, automatically it's a given that C will beat B. OR, because mosley knocked out margarito, it's automatic that pacquiao will do the same to margarito. see, things like this make it impossible to take any or most pacquiao fans serious. for all they know, pacquiao is boxing and when he retires, they will no longer have any more interest in the sport.

Quit generalizing. Not all pacfans are the same. Style makes fight difinitely. But don't give me that "anything can happen" crap. You talk smack about how Marg will send Pac to retirement but you won't make a prediction. You don't wanna make a prediction cuz you know in your heart and mind that Marg will going to lose. That's pretty understandable. You're just playing it safe right? Saving yourself from humiliation?

There's nothing wrong with predicting a fight.

Just say Marg will win by brutal KO if that's what you really think.

[milmascaras1]

PSL,

who's generalizing? i'm just stating facts that the only reason why there are alot of pinoy fans is because of pacquiao. i mean, where were they on these boards pre-pacquiao? there wasn't that much interest back then but as soon as pacquiao came unto the scene, there was like a nuclear explosion with his fans coming out of the woods in support of him. hey, and that's a good thing! nothing wrong with that. and as far as saying margarito would retire pacquiao, read my comments again. i said even if pacquiao wins, margarito could still give him a beating that could prompt his people to call it a career. and that's because he's accomplished so much in boxing that he doesn't need to take anymore unnecessary punishment. and why would i be humiliated if margarito lost? i'm not the one in the ring. i'm just a spectator. you see, in the realm of things, and in the bigger picture in life, i could care less who wins this fight. i mean, it's only one guy beating up on the other. doesn't affect me at all, unlike pacquiao's people who would absolutely be distraught, devastated and probably suicidal.

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PSL,

who's generalizing? i'm just stating facts that the only reason why there are alot of pinoy fans is because of pacquiao. i mean, where were they on these boards pre-pacquiao? there wasn't that much interest back then but as soon as pacquiao came unto the scene, there was like a nuclear explosion with his fans coming out of the woods in support of him. hey, and that's a good thing! nothing wrong with that. and as far as saying margarito would retire pacquiao, read my comments again. i said even if pacquiao wins, margarito could still give him a beating that could prompt his people to call it a career. and that's because he's accomplished so much in boxing that he doesn't need to take anymore unnecessary punishment. and why would i be humiliated if margarito lost? i'm not the one in the ring. i'm just a spectator. you see, in the realm of things, and in the bigger picture in life, i could care less who wins this fight. i mean, it's only one guy beating up on the other. doesn't affect me at all, unlike pacquiao's people who would absolutely be distraught, devastated and probably suicidal.

Damn right there's nothin wrong with supporting a fighter. Something must be really working cuz look where Pac is right now? I've been a boxing fan since Navarette, Luisito Espinosa, the Penalosa bros, the "four horsemen", and Tyson era. But I do admit that I'm not quite a big boxing fan back then (I was 6 or 7 years old ).

Lol. Pacquiao is no superman. He's going to be on the other side of the hill someday. But hey, that's nature, that's life. What matters most that he'll keep fighting til he go suck ass.

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[milmascaras1]

PSL,

which of the "four horsemen" you mentioned could someday be inducted into the HOF?

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PSL,

which of the "four horsemen" you mentioned could someday be inducted into the HOF?

That's gotta be Hearns.

[GAME]

Tony has been brought in to make Pac look good. If he wasnt an Arum fighter he wouldnt have got this chance. Not sure how he deserves a world title fight at light middle.Also the catchweight has taken away whatever credibility this fight had.

Pac will be too fast and Tony wont be able to block whats coming at him. If he wasnt knocked sensless by Mosley I dont think theyd take the risk because Margarito use to be dangerous but with the hand wrap revelation its clear that his best wins were probably due to cheating. The two times we know he HASNT got plaster in his gloves he looks awful. No surprise that he's suddenly got a big fight because he is there for the taking so they want Pac to beat him and gets some glory before another washed up 38 year old does.

Afew years ago it would have been a good fight but I think we will be in for a disappointment. Lets hope Haye vs Audley delivers.

[milmascaras1]

PSL,

no, i thought you called the penalosa bros, luisito espinosa and navarrete the 4 horsemen? my bad. the 4 horsemen you were referring to are all in the hall, hearns, hagler, leonard and duran.

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PSL,

no, i thought you called the penalosa bros, luisito espinosa and navarrete the 4 horsemen? my bad. the 4 horsemen you were referring to are all in the hall, hearns, hagler, leonard and duran.

Crud Lol

That got me chuckeled. Dodie boy, Jerry, Louie, and Rolando are the four horsemen. Good lord.

Bob Arum calls Hearn, Hagler, Leonard, and Duran as his "four horsemen". They're also well known as the "four kings". I don't think Hearns is in HOF yet. Is he?

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Milmascaras.

On the bottom right side of your screen, there's an icon that says "reply with qoute".

Press it if you wanna qoute anyone's post. It'll make your life easier.

[milmascaras1]

PSL,

lol...my bad, i thought you called the four pinoys the four horsemen. which brings me to my question, which of the following (penalosa bros, luisito espinosa or navarrete) should go into the hall? i think espinosa should eventually get there. in his prime, he was a great featherweight. i always respected his boxing skills and overall ability!

[Dizaster]

I see this being harder for Manny than many are thinking. Margarito is big, durable and throws a god awful lot of punches. Manny has never been in with anything like this before. Hatton- JWW. Cotto-WW who doesn't throw that much. Margarito at 151- a nasty bugger who wasn't known for his punching power, but as someone who digs in and comes on late. Someone who can throw more punches than Manny, if he is ready.

I think maybe this will be Manny's first tough fight at the higher weights and though Margarito doesn't deserve the payday, it will be a very interesting fight.

Gotta agree with you.... Take away the single Mosley loss, and the scandal, and most people would consider this as tough a fight from Manny as a fight with Mayweather would be...

Manny is incredibly skilled, fast, accurate, with incredible defense, and could make Margarito look slow and incredibly easy to hit... But this is no over the hill Oscar DLH... Margarito is an animal in there and if he's got the same heart in there that we saw of him before his downfall, Manny will take a HUGE amount of credit from gritting out a win against a very serious and dangerous fighter...

It's only Manny's supernatural talent that stretches odds out and leans most people towards a relatively easy victory for him... Certainly has nothing to do with a real lack on Margarito's part..

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I have a horrible feeling that Tony is only here for a payday and for some sort of 'welcome back' into boxing.

I say horrible not because I want Manny to lose but because he should loose.

[X]

It's an interesting fight, and fair play to Pac for keeping busy and not just waiting for the final big payday against Floyd.

If you look at the 'Tale of the Tape', there should only be one winner. Margarito is bigger in every way that Pac. Lets not forget that Pac was a FLYWEIGHT, and Margarito was a massive welterweight.

Dont forget that Margarito was the most dangerous, most avoided fighter at Welter for some time.

The old adage that 'a good big 'un beats a good little 'un' used to be correct in the vast majority of cases ....... but I think two things have changed that:

- the increased number of weight divisions, making safe movement up and dpwn much more possible that when there were only 8
- the amazing advances in nutrition and body science. If Henry Armstrong and Ray Robinson had access to this knowledge, God only knows how many weights they would have been champs in.

BUT - Margarito has always been slow, and we saw how Pac kept up a killing pace for the full fight against Joshua Clottey, another big big welterweight. Margarito is quite lumbering and I'm not sure he is a one-hit stopper of a puncher (even with his gloves loaded, he tended to wear people down, and Pac has a good chin)

I'll put my four penn'orth in now, rather than be wise after the event ..... I think Pac starts brightly, outspeeding margarito and hitting him at will. Margarito is unfazed and actually begins to run forward at Pac to try and bully and maul him, using his huge weight advantage in the ring. I think the fight turns messy, but neither man can really hurt the other.

It comes downto skill and conditioning ....... Pac has more stamina, he built up an early lead and I think he takes a hard fought UD