Quote Originally Posted by ray corso View Post
Does Bernard pay Karo directly.................before or after the fight? Probably by round just to make sure everything runs smoothly!

I'm tired of Bernard and his "act within the sport"! To bad he took Big George's 2nd career move to this extend, its a joke. As to his ATG status, Please this guy is NOT a great fighter he's a great business man selling all the kid fans a line of BS!!! Bernard was a decent middleweight who is no where near the ATG list in any weight class!!! Ray.

You have got to be kidding me. He's entitled to an optional defense and it looks like he took his mandatory instead. He never copied Foreman. Foreman retired for 7 years after Jimmy Young kicked the snot out of him to the point where he found God. Hopkins has been going steady. If anything he represents a modern day Archie Moore not Foreman. You cant stop short on a 26 year career.

Denying what he has accomplished and continues to is like denying osmosis. It really does cross the objectivity/subjectivity line. He's an easy top 10 ATG middle, a first ballet hall of famer and arguably a top 50 fighter all time. Given what he has done and when he has done it in and of itself is grounds for historians. Jumping two divisions at close to 40 and kicking the shit out of the man that beat the man puts him in a select group. To then come back down in weight and dissect Pavlik the way he did is incredible.

Tito. Never the same post Hopkins.
Taylor. Ditto
Tarver. Ditto
Pavlik. Ditto
Cloud. Probably

Yet old soapy continues on.

I respect you as a poster cause I know that you know your shit but I think the personal dislike for Hopkins clouds your judgement of his legacy. I mean no offense at all. Its just an observation.